Tsunade is definitely NOT the WEAKEST hokage....... she owns everyone except HASHI

[spike2068]

Tsunade isn't just a random Senju. She is the granddaughter of Hashirama Senju.



Says the guy who thinks Tsunade can't beat Manda.


But anyways, I never said Tsunade can defeat Minato. All I said 'logically she should be stronger then him'.

stronger how? physically stronger? sure i would agree with that but "a stronger shinobi" absolutely not

 

[Strict]

This moment when someone posts a wall of text and people stop reading after the headline. Haha.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tsunade isn't just a random Senju. She is the granddaughter of Hashirama Senju.



Says the guy who thinks Tsunade can't beat Manda.


But anyways, I never said Tsunade can defeat Minato. All I said 'logically she should be stronger then him'.

Pretty sure I simply said that Tsunade can't one shot Manda like you oddly believe.

That makes absolutely ZERO sense at all. Poor Logic is still poor.

 

[Exaar]

Tsunade isn't just a random Senju. She is the granddaughter of Hashirama Senju.

Asuma was the Son of the man who is Hyped to be the strongest Hokage and who Helds the God of shinobi title along with hashirama.

Look how far that got him. Tsunade being related to hashirama means jack sshit.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Oh, then what is logical? Male > Female? Huh?

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh, then what is logical? Male > Female? Huh?

Don't come here crying about sexism just because your favorite character isn't as strong as you'd like her to be.

Poor logic will always be poor.

 

[Strict]

Asuma was the Son of the man who is Hyped to be the strongest Hokage and who Helds the God of shinobi title along with hashirama.

Look how far that got him. Tsunade being related to hashirama means jack sshit.

Being born with benefits of strong DNA, Chakra or Kekkei Genkai is not the same as being the son of a man, who achieved greatness without any genetic advantage. But it's clear that Hashirama didn't leave anything to her but his "will".

 

[spike2068]

Oh, then what is logical? Male > Female? Huh?

no what is logical is going by feats every hokage other than hiruzen (i still say he is stronger) >tsunade I dont care if shes a girl, if she had been shown to be stronger and hyped to be stronger I would consider her stronger. SInce she hasnt the only logical conclusion is that she is not on their level. Your turning into a male female thing which only shows your own insecurity and bias attitude, because we can gather from your logic that tsunade should be in the upper level of kage simply because she is the only girl.

 

[Lightbringer]

I can agree with this possibly

she did bro, she pawned him

please just read my Tobirama's thread (manga scans and facts provided)

You must be registered for see links

we dont know for sure, but i know he will give her a hard time thats for sure.......


and if katsuyu can relay a message in an instant and divide herself rapidly all over the place, then when Minato starts FTG she can tell Tsunade where and which direction he his coming from, its just as simple as that LIGHT-BRINGER... Now you see it acts like a rennigan,(remember her sensors records vibrations quickly) moreover we dont know for sure if katsuyu can use reverse kuchiyose no jutsu, because Tsunade was seeing using space time jutsu in the anime ... and saiken (six tailed slug) grew hands which summoned Utaka...... however if she does then it limits Minato FTG chances even more...

your thread isn't evidence.....we didn't see what Tobirama was capable of

all we saw was an edo with 1/3 of his power and some unknown ST slash....that's it

No she didn't.....I'd call it a draw since there was no clear winner. Plus when he stabbed her and when Kabuto stabbed her, they didn't aim to kill......they wanted to wound her and capture her so they could force her to heal his arms.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

If they wanted to kill her, they would have already.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

anime isn't manga.....anime adds things and moves that didn't happen in the manga, like Kakashi having fire style.

and again you're wrong on the rinnegan sight thing.....by the time her slug tells her which direction Minato is coming from, she would be hit.....FTG is instant, a slug can't predict and then tell the direction of the attack in that instant

Even if she did, Tsunade wouldn't be fast enough to react.....Obito is shown to have one of the fastest reflexes in Naruto and he wasn't even fast enough to dodge Minato.

 

[zesto]

It doesnt matter whether it was 13 year or 20 years, after 5 years of no combat anyone would be rusty. You cant debate that just because she had not seen battle in 25 years that it makes her more rusty than hiruzen. And you are only speculating that she had not been in battle for 25-30 years. You have no actual idea how long its been since she fought someone.

But the fact that they were both rusty means nothing.

when minato died and before that Hiruzen was still training not everyday but at some intervals, the fact that he swoop kurama with his staff so quickly and maintained the leaf barrier to protect everyone from the beast, Tsunade wasn't doing shitt when she left but just formulating new jutsus, no taijutsu or speed challenges to keep fit..... so she was more rusty than Hiruzen could be... ppl are also using part speed feats for her and ignoring part 2, how naive......

Thats true. I forgot she developed the techniques after she left. But that does not mean Hiruzen wouldnt have a counter for her taijutsu and techniques, seeing how he has a arsenal of over 1000 jutsu. Dont underestimate hiruzen or his known feats.

This is sooo flawed.lol If enma is a Diamond Staff, then Katasuyu's acid wont do anything to him.

And enma has also shown long range feats in his battle against kyuubi and extending his reach to choke orochimaru.

And as for your acid slime being > than enma

There is no water-based liquid which can decompose diamonds at room temperature. Maybe no room-temperature liquid of any kind.
The bonds between carbons atoms in diamonds need a lot of energy to break, before otherwise natural reactions of carbon can occur. If you put stomach acid in a stainless steel pressure tank and heated it to 200-300C, you might dissolve a little of your diamond. Concentrated Phosphoric Acid dissolves glass and many rocks at 200C, and may have some effect on diamond.
Pure, elemental brown liquid Bromine (Br2) comes close, but probably does not do it at room temperature. Even chlorine gas liquefied by pressure might not. Fluorine gas pressurized to 10 atmospheres could burn it with an intense white flame, but until the flame was ignited, the diamond would not dissolve.
Whether a reaction occurs or stalls might actually depend on subtleties like the color of the diamond, or more precisely, its impurities and electrical carrier type. Yellowish Nitrogen-doped N-type diamonds might require a slightly higher temperature to start to dissolve than boron-doped P-type diamonds, when one is using an oxidizing chemical to dissolve it. Oxygen and Fluorine are oxidizers, liquid sodium is a reducer, and the HCL in stomach acid would be attempting a mixed reduction-oxidation reaction, which works well enough on some crystals.
Molten Sodium Hydroxide + Sodium Nitrate at 400 degrees C might do a fair job of slowly dissolving diamonds completely.
Basically this is saying that acid at near room temp cant melt diamond and since tsunade doesnt have fire jutsu to heat the acid, it highly unlikely that it will hurt enma.

Sooo Noo, Katasuyu can not harm Enma

Dont worry i understood perfectly what it said, i do chemistry, NOW IF WE LOOK AT KATSUYU ACID SLIME IT seems more phosphorous than boron, because of its concentration, it melted the rocks and seep right through the ground after that take a look

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

now according to your scan, there are several diamond structures with different hardness, we dont know for sure if Enma when being transformed has a hardness of a yellowish nitrogen N-type diamond... no we dont, and according to what you posted it said a stomach acid from 200-300 degrees can melt or might dissolve a little of the diamond, and katsuyu acid being concentrated (PHOSPHOROUS TYPE) will surely dissolve more than a fragment, but a fraction, i have shown you the manga scan it soaked right through the rock and melted the ground in addition.
Also you stated that at 400 degrees, a molten sodium+nitrate acid would do fairly well against the DIAMOND...melting it slowly, the fact that the slug acid is a stomach acid it reduces the intensity effect, but it concentration makes up for that loss
(so 200-300 concentrated acid is equivalent to a 400 degree melter) Now i'm aware that Tsunade doesn't possesses fire styles like pervy sage but she possess or presumed to have raiton release.....

we have seen how Tsunade enhanced Oonoki's jinton mega big, then if a katsuyu on her shoulder absorb her chackra and used that acid slime it will augment the attack's speed and coverage by far equal to the jinton or more.....
and the fact that Tsunade can change her chackra to ELECTRICITY which is a form of HEAT and the fact that slug can pass on her techniques to people (we have seen this in pain's arc) indicates that the summon will absorb her raiton jutsu and heat up the acid drastically....... (similar to how A contributed his jutsu to Mei's water style to nullify Madara's movements), Enma would be pulverized after that, he wouldn't be able to move if he's still alive because of the ELECTROCUTION from Tsunade's jutsu and the acid wold slowly disintegrated anything left of him, because katsuyu's acid is concentrated

You must be forgetting the fact that tsunade is a uzumaki which means that she SHOULD easily be able to survive that cut.

Did you not see kushina get a jinchuuriki get ripped out of her (which should have killed her) and then also get impaled by kyuubi, yet she was still alive and able to give naruto alittle bit of her chakra.That is because of the uzumaki longevity. And also that wasnt a cut to her head, that was a cut across her chest, so it wouldnt have decapitated her.

whatever the case it should have severed her upper body from the lower similar to the Makuton's damage currently and her shoulder should have fall off, but it didn't

That statement is SUPER FALSE

Minato has used:

Death Reaper seal

Thats RDS its the same thing

Contract Seal

Contract seal is a summoning seal Tsunade has that too, it enables you to summon an animal once you have blood for them in addition to the animal summoning the owner

Eight trigram Seal
Four symbol seal
FTG v2
And 2 summonings

for your info all FTG works on the same speed, its just the improvements of efficacy which determines there overall heights....

He has many finjutsu at his disposal and we havent even seen them all. He has shown way more then tsunade.

Tsunade has 4 corner sealing barrier
contract seal
Yin seal
and a few more i cant think of right now

There is no such thing as slug sage mode. Shikkotsurin does not mean slug forrest, it means Humid Bone Forest, and since Hashirama was the next person seen in sage mode its highly possible that thats where he got his from.


Katsuyu and tsunades shared vision means nothing since she cant move as fast as him.

Slugs live in humid areas and the bone would due to the snails shell, we dont know if Hashirama, Senpou was slug mode, it didn't even carry any slug ability, which proves it isn't slug mode, there link ability means that they can tell which point he's coming from and react to the technique in time, worse Minato can be severed by a scalpel and he doesn't even know, and if his muscles are torn No jutsu can be executed period........

You must be registered for see images

???? Yet madara stated himself that hashirama would have put up a better fight. Wouldnt that mean Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen are a better team then your 5 kages???

I would think so.

I never said kishi contradicted himself. I was just saying that The Hokage team is stronger than the Kage Team. This si common sense.




Your right. I miss read what you had written. You didnt say that she had sage mode. My mistake.[/QUOTE]

 

[zesto]

lol how, minato just dodges constantly how would she ever hit him

I THINK YOU NEED TO READ MY THREAD, especially when katsuyu comes to play

 

[Rainbow Dash]

The hokage is supposed to be the strongest of the 5 kage.

That means
Tobirama > Muu and Second Mizukage, who are stronger than Tsunade.
Hiruzen > Third Raikage who is stronger than Tsunade.
Minato > Yagura, who is stronger than Tsunade

If Tsunade is stronger than these three, then it would be a retcon. A horrible retcon.

 

[zesto]

Your logic is laughable.
Senju were/are the strongest clan as a whole yes, Doesn't mean every Senju member > every Non-Senju clan members. Nor does it mean simply because they're senju they're automatically put above a regular shinobi.

Exaar, it was stated that The senju clan was the only clan that could Match the Uchihas because of there high stamina forces they possessed... hence why the sarutobi and other clans started hiring the 2 DOMINANT CLANS IN WAR TIMES WHEN THERE ENEMY Hired the other clan on them........ so being a senju you do have the advantage in a battle with your life force and stamina.......

 

[zesto]

Pretty sure I simply said that Tsunade can't one shot Manda like you oddly believe.

That makes absolutely ZERO sense at all. Poor Logic is still poor.

when the giant snake slithers towards her she can simple jump above its head and HEAVEN KICK OF PAIN------- THAT'S A ONE SHOT[/SIZE=3]

WE HAVE SEEN HOW HIGH THE BEASTLY WOMAN CAN JUMP TO THE POINT WHERE SHE JUMP ABOVE BUNTA'S SWORD

You must be registered for see images

your stupid thought that Tsunade cant handle a colossal snake is flawed... and RIDICULOUS in fact you never have anything appropriate which fits a description to say

 

[Valon]

She can split RDS yet she can't see it, what a joke.

 

[Exaar]

Exaar, it was stated that The senju clan was the only clan that could Match the Uchihas because of there high stamina forces they possessed... hence why the sarutobi and other clans started hiring the 2 DOMINANT CLANS IN WAR TIMES WHEN THERE ENEMY Hired the other clan on them........ so being a senju you do have the advantage in a battle with your life force and stamina.......

Yet during the senju clans dominance, A memeber of the sarutobi clan was chosen above other senju's for hokage

 

[OnPoint]

If you keep this up, Tsunade's reputation will be well and truly rooted to the shitter. And no-one will be able to recover it.

Leave it to the proper fans, yeah?

 

[Lightbringer]

If you keep this up, Tsunade's reputation will be well and truly rooted to the shitter. And no-one will be able to recover it.

Leave it to the proper fans, yeah?

^listen to this man

 

[zesto]

The hokage is supposed to be the strongest of the 5 kage.

That means
Tobirama > Muu and Second Mizukage, who are stronger than Tsunade.
Hiruzen > Third Raikage who is stronger than Tsunade.
Minato > Yagura, who is stronger than Tsunade

If Tsunade is stronger than these three, then it would be a retcon. A horrible retcon.

its your mind telling you that those people will win over Tsunade, i wont go into precise details but i can cover the top for you
Mu isn't a problem for Tsunade at ground level.... if he moves when being invisible there is a slight appearance of him, which means movements reduces his invincibility... Tsunade can make him move no doubt because her earthquakes will cause a lot of trouble for him to avoid, thats one thing for sure, so she will see him without the need of katsuyu, if the slug intervenes however, she can simple sense his vibrations on the ground and alert Tsunade simple as that......... Jinton issue, manga and databook made it clear she survives so even if you laugh at me, your being stupid because this is not my opinion its what the creators and editors stated, and i really dont give a damn trying to convince anybody, but if you still want to play blind and be a dumb ass thats fine with me, no one can go around kishi facts............
Now the only problem his is flying, but pretty soon she could force him into close range, combat leading to Mu's defeat... she can use her slug for far range attacks so Tsunade isn't limited in battle offensively at all

EI'S dad the only thing i will say to cut this short, the reason why Tsunade will win this guy, isn't because of her punches but because she's a medical ninja which can dislocated muscles and organs from working (cause internal damages/bleeding) and render most of his attacks useless, she can also immobilize him, with her scalpel for him to re-think using hell stab with his other hand, but more importantly, she has a summon, something EI'S dad dont acquire, so Tsunade will have katsuyu to buy her time and plan her next attack........


Pertatining to yagura this is out of the question, if your thinking TBB, manga states she survives that too, and even if you call me a reatrd and laugh and say GTFO, Tsunade is known as the strongest kunochi, there are 2 JINJURIKI TAILED BEAST WOMAN AMONG THE MEN, WHICH MEANS IF TSUNADE GOES 1ON 1 WITH ANYONE OF THEM SHE WINS, DESPITE BIJUU MODE OR KM MODE from Fu or Yugito.....

so yea Tsunade>Yagura too, i may not know that kid full potential but right now i dont want to go too much in-depth but instead give you a basic idea of what is going on

 

[zesto]

She can split RDS yet she can't see it, what a joke.

troll post