[VS] Tsunade and Sakura Vs Healthy Kimimaro

[Black Wolf]

You ask for evidence that Kimimaro would have been better if healthy, and I have given it as has the manga. You just choose to ignore it / write it off.

Take into account that Orochimaru considered Kimimaro a prime vessel for body-swap, as well as the fact that Orochimaru stated the Konoha Invasion would have went smoothly if Kimimaro was there goes to show that Kimimaro was majorly affected by illness, otherwise why not bring him along to Konoha if Orochimaru was so confident in his abilities? Because he was too ill to fight to the best of his abilities, which is what Orochimaru was referring to when reminiscing about the Konoha Invasion.

The fact that Kabuto claimed inferiority to him, the same Kabuto that pushed Tsunade until he let his guard down, speaks volumes about Kimimaro's abilities. Orochimaru and Kabuto were not worried about anyone stopping Kimimaro, and this was with knowledge on people like Kakashi in the village who could have potentially been sent to retrieve Sasuke.

Sakura gets blitzed before she can throw a punch

Tsunade gets beaten after a good fight

I have absolutely no idea what your reply has anything to do with the passage of mine that you quoted.

 

[Prince Charles]

LOl blackflame44 is always denying manga facts when presented, just admit when your wrong bro. It's nothing serious.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I have absolutely no idea what your reply has anything to do with the passage of mine that you quoted.

Sorry, wrong person quoted

 

[Draegod]

Im having a hard time taking you seriously, their was no damage shown whats so ever by the suiton dragon when it hit the ribcage sussano, its WATER, in what ways could it had possibly damaged something as tough as madara's ribcage sussano? no breaks nor cracks were shown on the ribcage after the suiton dragon.

Scan of the suiton dragon damaging madara's ribcage sussano or gtfo.

DOn't know if i missed anything (let me know if i did), but.

I think he is talking about the force of the jutsu Mei used. It was enough Force to send Madara and susanoo flying far fast and far no diff. He isn't saying it was enough to destroy susanoo, that isn't even the argument because it didn't happen. But rather the force and ipact the dragon had on susanoo was like hitting a Baseball with a Baseball bat. OBV the ball is not destroyed by th ebat, but instead is sent flying under tremendous force from the Bat.

Next; after susannoo was sent flying from so much force/Velocity/momentum, Aye with his speed/V/M added to the Susanoo's S/V/M that then bounced off of Tsunade's S/V/M and hit. The force of her hit was basically increased by the events that occurred as opposed to a standard Tsunade hitting Madara's non moving Susanoo.

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First law: When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by an external force.[2][3]
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Based on Facts of life, the damaged Tsunade caused was increased basically. I can break it down further if you or any other user don't get it.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Itachi wasn't on life support when he fought Sasuke, and Zetsu was noticing flaws in his movements (i.e. getting hit by a shuriken that he normally would have been able to dodge according to Zetsu).

One shuriken blade hitting him isn't jack for evidence that he was hindered by his sickness, especially if he was able to avoid the rest of Sasuke's arsenal

It is pretty intuitive that when one unplugs life support and drags their dying body to battle that their performance won't be as good as if they didn't unplug themselves from life support and didn't have a terminal illness.

It's not life support if he could still breath without the machine, it's just IV, filled with God knows
What

Playing dumb isn't synonymous with making a strong case for your argument.

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Niether is speculating on information that isn't gauged

You're literally the dumbest creature of any species i've had the misfortune of having to deal with. He was coughing up blood, on life support, it was said he moved purely by willpower, etc etc. Read the god damn manga son.

Wow ad hominems, you're really something?

OT: He coughed up minimal blood occasionally during his battles, was strapped to an IV and his willpower not only allowed him to move but he could fight sufficiently as far as we know

Madara didn't assault any of the kage individually



Maybe not as hard as Susanoo, but harder than steel. Survived pressure of earth 200 meter underground

If he's not more durable than susanoo

He loses, that's it.

But Part 1 feats aren't. Don't be ignorant, we all know Tsunade couldn't kill Kabuto with her punch

You're ignoring the fact that she's improved way more since then and was able to tussle with Madara's clones

And was even commented to have more brute force than the Raikage, are you saying Part 1 Kabuto could tank a blow from him too?

You can't use low ends and ignore consistent and high ends

Kimimaro regenerating skin

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It's not regeneration he just moved it back in place after picking up his bones

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That's growing bones

Show me him fix already broken ones

Enough to knock her paralyze her. Her skin isn't too durable, got cut by Susanoo easily. She can't fight if she can't move

You're not honestly saying Kimmimaro had more cutting force Madara's susanoo

Which has bigger blades and greater number

 

[Akasuna]

Wow. BlackFlame44...sheesh, man.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Im having a hard time taking you seriously, their was no damage shown whats so ever by the suiton dragon when it hit the ribcage sussano, its WATER, in what ways could it had possibly damaged something as tough as madara's ribcage sussano? no breaks nor cracks were shown on the ribcage after the suiton dragon.

Scan of the suiton dragon damaging madara's ribcage sussano or gtfo.

Water can be damaging depending on the pressure

They even use high speed water to cut out steel

 

[Black Wolf]

Sorry mate, but

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despite all of this medical equipment isn't something you can write off as "just an IV." It's laughable that you even suggest that when an IV usually consists of nothing more than a needle and one tube in the arm, not dozens of tubes varying in size running from mouth and chest.

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Zetsu specifically noted that Itachi's physical prowess was affected significantly considering Itachi should have "easily" dodged it. Itachi wasn't "avoiding" the rest of his arsenal. They had a stationary Genjutsu bout, shuriken clashes, Katon clashes, and then Susano'o came out.

It boggles my mind that you are claiming that a terminal illness has no effect on one's combat capabilities.

 

[KingHashirama]

ok lets look at his reasonably. What have we seen from Sakura? The only taijutsu we have witnessed is during that Sasori fight. In which she got used to it later on during the fight. Now we have a Sakura who does more damage with 1 hand, then Naruto does in 6 tail beast mode....


Now see people aren't understanding this. Chakra control, not only enhances her strength but anything related to her physicality


We have the hyuuga fangirl talking about Kimimaro shoving things up their asses.. problem is they can react to it. Pretty much any high teir shinobi who is jounin level + can react to it. All it takes Tsunade is a moment to just hear the crack in the ground shes gone.. easily dodgeable.. Now we have Sakura who in fact younger than Tsunade, she should have no problem dodging it.


My question is the question kimimaro fans haven't answered at all...... How does Kimimaro survive a punch to the head? Do they know Sakura can cut bones with Chakra now? How does Kimimaro survive Sakura's punch to the ground, when people with more body durability (Juubi clones) were screaming lil *****es........ You have no evidence..

Kimimaro's speed = 4.5

Tsunade blitzed someone who was 4.5 easily, and didn't even let that person react to her blitz.


I mean if we are going by the whole shoving bones up people's asses and etc, people not being able to dodge them bones.. then how exactly are Naruto and Sasuke excempt from it if Kimimaro attacks first.

How is Hashirama exempt from it? See now you'll excuses for your logic, but why state such bullshit logic when you can't stay consistent with it?

And for the smartasses saying he'll give Tsunade trouble and beat her.. please take your non-manga reading ass or non-anime watching ass to go do those 2 things, so you can get some knowledge.

ALL THE SANIN in part 1 were in their own league. rofl.

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade and Sakura win this.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Sorry mate, but

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despite all of this medical equipment isn't something you can write off as "just an IV." It's laughable that you even suggest that when an IV usually consists of nothing more than a needle and one tube in the arm, not dozens of tubes varying in size running from mouth and chest.

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Zetsu specifically noted that Itachi's physical prowess was affected significantly considering Itachi should have "easily" dodged it. Itachi wasn't "avoiding" the rest of his arsenal. They had a stationary Genjutsu bout, shuriken clashes, Katon clashes, and then Susano'o came out.

It boggles my mind that you are claiming that a terminal illness has no effect on one's combat capabilities.

It can but not as much you guys are overplaying it especially if we consider lolwillpower and Itachi was suffering from back lash from the Mangekyou sharingan


And how exactly does this prove He can beat either of these two

 

[Prince Charles]

Water can be damaging depending on the pressure

They even use high speed water to cut out steel

Damaging enough to damage a sussano? Um no, like I said show me scans of Mei's water dragon damaging his ribcage sussano.

Ill wait.

 

[KingHashirama]

It can but not as much you guys are overplaying it especially if we consider lolwillpower and Itachi was suffering from back lash from the Mangekyou sharingan


And how exactly does this prove He can beat either of these two

They fail to understand the fact that willpower is needed for every fight. On top of that we have no idea if the sickness was actually restricting the power in those jutsu or not.

Nor do the kimimaro fans have a scaling for how much his power increases by.

 

[BlackFlame44]

They fail to understand the fact that willpower is needed for every fight. On top of that we have no idea if the sickness was actually restricting the power in those jutsu or not.

Nor do the kimimaro fans have a scaling for how much his power increases by.

Well someone gets it

Damaging enough to damage a sussano? Um no, like I said show me scans of Mei's water dragon damaging his ribcage sussano.

Ill wait.

I never said it damaged susanoo

 

[Black Wolf]

Kishimoto literally went out of his way to show Kimimaro plugged into that machine and showing details like blood dripping out of his mouth. He went out of his way to say that Kimimaro's body was moving on willpower alone. He went out of his way to show Kabuto admitting inferiority to Kimimaro, and went out of his way to show Orochimaru stating that Kimimaro could have singlehandedly changed the tide of battle in the Konoha Invasion.

All of the above facts go to show the lengths to which Kishimoto went to emphasize just how powerful Kimimaro was supposed to be and how hampered he was by illness. If Kimimaro was just "barely affected" by illness, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as emphasized.

I never said Kimimaro can beat both. I outright said he'd lose. I said he can beat either of them:

Kimimaro does everything Tsunade does (combat-wise), except better. He is faster than her, has a far more adept Taijutsu style, has ranged attacks via Finger Bullets and Bone Forest, has top tier durability, has regeneration on par with Byakugo if his durability is breached, and can enhance his already impressive base stats with Cursed Seal.

The only thing Tsunade has on Kimimaro is physical strength, and Kimimaro makes up for that with Kenjutsu, using bones sharp enough to withstand Samurai Chakra flow in base (i.e. no CS1 or CS2). His bones will cut through anything not named Susano'o, Raikage, Juubi Jinchuuriki, or Gaara's mineral enhanced sand.

He is, almost by textbook definition, a better version of either of them.

 

[Prince Charles]

I never said it damaged susanoo

oh wow, you sort of implied it -_- :bouncy:

 

[KingHashirama]

Kishimoto literally went out of his way to show Kimimaro plugged into that machine and showing details like blood dripping out of his mouth. He went out of his way to say that Kimimaro's body was moving on willpower alone. He went out of his way to show Kabuto admitting inferiority to Kimimaro, and went out of his way to show Orochimaru stating that Kimimaro could have singlehandedly changed the tide of battle in the Konoha Invasion.

All of the above facts go to show the lengths to which Kishimoto went to emphasize just how powerful Kimimaro was supposed to be and how hampered he was by illness. If Kimimaro was just "barely affected" by illness, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as emphasized.

I never said Kimimaro can beat both. I outright said he'd lose. I said he can beat either of them:

Kishimoto also went out of his way to make Jiraiya say no one has surpassed her in combat. But that is baseless bullshit.

Kishimoto also went out of his way to show us over 20+ juubi clones ,who all had more body durability than kimimaro, flying up and screaming like b*tches.. but kimimaro tanks it.

The mere fact you said Kimimaro is superior to Tsunade in taijutsu.. is just ridiculous. Tsunade has never faced anyone who has been better than her in taijutsu in the entire manga.


Kishimoto also went out of his way to put Tsunade as a Sanin

Kishimoto also went out of his way to make all the Sanin have 35 in the databook.

Kishimoto also went out of his way to make Tsunade the Hokage, and not any other Sanin


So when kishimoto has done all that, why aren't you listening to kishimoto?

 

[Haizaki]

KingHashirama still fighting the good fight?

LEHH GOOOO

 

[BlackFlame44]

oh wow, you sort of implied it -_- :bouncy:

Noooo but you implied that water jutsu is completely harmless

Which is false


If I sprayed you highly pressurized water hose you'd be torn apart

 

[KingHashirama]

KingHashirama still fighting the good fight?

LEHH GOOOO

Hypocrisy by the people is just ridiculous. And instead of correcting it, they simply go on about it.

Won't be surprised anymore, if someone say Kimimaro can take on the first 4 Hokage also. Especially Hashirama. Just shove a bone up his ass you know.