Tsunade and Itachi vs Gaara and Onoki

[Boston Rob]

It's a regular sword, like the Kusanagi...It can seal, thats all. It was never stated that is stronger than a regular susanoo sword.

You comparing straw with katana, missy xD

 

[genii96]

We have no idea if Gaara can spend The whole fight using that Eye. He will make a mistake as some Point.
How is he going to defend against Amaterasu if he is looking from a Different angle? How is he going to Defend against Totsuka Sword ?
We saw that a few can fight Without look in thir Opponent's eye , Like Gai. and Onoki warned A not to look in his eyes.
and you Said nothing about Crow genjutsu.

sand sphere offers 360 degree protection,amaterasu is no problem as it will hit the sphere,gaara can stay in his sphere and use his 3rd eye to watch from above,giving him a good view,he can also enlarge the eye to make him see better,so he can fight pretty well in his sand eye,especially as he has been usin it since he was a child.totsuka comes from his front,he can see it with his sand eye clearly.

Crow genjutsu(i am guessing you mean the finger one) is weak,and is broken easily,gaara an also create several sand clones all of which cant be put in genjutsu,hus sand sensing enabled him fight the mizukage when he was in a genjutsu,and since his defence moves automatically, his sand sphere being active,je has no problem with that,there was a reason itachi ony use it on naruto.also in his sand sphere crow gen wudnt work,as he cant do genjutsu through a sand wall.
You still havent countered those scans i showed,have no answer?.

It's not the Ultimate Sword for nothing.
and as I Said , Itachi's Genjutsu will Troll Gaara.

Actually it is not the ultimate sword at all,it is just a variant of kusanagi,which cudnt pierce chakra shroud of kn4 naruto.the true ultimate sword is katana of perfect susanoo
His genjutsu is meaningless to third eye sand sphere.

 

[genii96]

Ok , I Didn't give any counter to the Scans because :
1-The Location is New york city.
2-Itachi can take gaara before he can pull his tricks.

Also , If Gaara make his Eye larger , It will get destroyed , the same would Happen if Itachi finds out the location of the Eye with his SHaringan , It's only a matter of time.
No matter how weak is the Genjutsu , There needs to be someone who will help you getting away , or you need to have a Counter (Sharingan . etc) , Gaara have none.
Itachi can Amaterasu the sphere of sand , and he can make it Very hot (temperature of the sun) , so Gaara won't stay there for long.
Susanoo (more specifically Yata mirror) will save Itachi from Gaara' offonsive attacks like the Sand Dizzle.

1) dosent matter the location as long as there is earth and rock.

2) so he can take him out in one panel?,or a few seconds?,cuz thats jow long it takes to grind up sand now

if itachi destroys the eye,gaara simply makes another one,and how would itachi even locate the eye?,it is hidden in several buildings,not to mention the fact that gaara can make it right next to his sphere anyway,he would protect it,or make it hidden where he can view itachi and move it when necessary,and itachi would not spend his time looking for a sand eye when he has a guy that can crush his feet if he ignores him,plus he can look on direction at a time,if gaara makes it behind him,he wont know unless he turns back,which gaara will take advantage of,not even muu who is a sensor could detect it,and even if it is destroyed,gaara makes another one,he has plenty of chakta to spare.

Wrong,only completely paralyzing genjutsu(sound types) or instant effect genjutsu(tsukiomi) are the ons that need external help. Weak genjutsus are broken easily by mild pain,infact kurenai broke itachi's reversal genjutsu on her by simply biting her lip,finger gen is much weaker than that,and will be broken easily.

Also itachi can use that gen when he is inside a sand sphere,since he wont be able to see him to put him in genjutsu,or can itachi put a person in genjutse behind a solid surface?

Yata blocks the front,not above, gaara's sand isnt a basic element,so iy is his susanoo itself that will save him,once he activates sand hail,itachi would be distracted by the attack,and he attacks from below.

His ama wont breach the surface of the sphere,and it's temperature doent seem to be radiative as sasuke's own flames were on gaara's sand and he didnt feel anything,neither did shee when he was healing the raikage. Plus gaara lives in a dessert,no one has better comfort with living in heat than he does

 

[NarutoIndra]

Team 1 wind mid-high diff. Itachi and Tsunade in a team is the perfect team up.

 

[Edo Odin]

Since the intent is to kill, Itachi would likely start out the fight using Amaterasu. Onoki has no counter against it, but Gaara's sand might be able to protect him. However, Gaara alone can't beat both of them together. Itachi doesn't have the normal problem with chakra since he has Tsunade on his side, so maintaining the Susanoo won't be as hard. Due to that I'll give it to T&I, high diff :y

 

[KazekageDaichi]

Since the intent is to kill, Itachi would likely start out the fight using Amaterasu. Onoki has no counter against it, but Gaara's sand might be able to protect him. However, Gaara alone can't beat both of them together. Itachi doesn't have the normal problem with chakra since he has Tsunade on his side, so maintaining the Susanoo won't be as hard. Due to that I'll give it to T&I, high diff :y

Of course Itachi's chakra is still a problem.You know healing takes time right? Time they won't have fighting Gaara&Oonoki.

 

[Edo Odin]

Of course Itachi's chakra is still a problem.You know healing takes time right? Time they won't have fighting Gaara&Oonoki.

Tsunade was able to power up Onoki's attack power to a degree where he could Jinton 25 Susanoo clones. And from what I saw, it really didn't take to much time...

 

[genii96]

He can find Sand , but he won't be able to do the same tricks he did against Deidara , because he was in the Desert.
-He can't hide the eye , otherwise ,how is he going to locate Itachi ?
-If gaara is inside the sphere , the temperature will affect him , because he won't find any air to breathe , so what i will get to , is Gaara won't be able to stay in the sphere for so long , even if he makes small openings.
-Genjutsu's purpose in this fight is not killing gaara , I Am sure he will get away from it , but how much time will he spend in the Genjutsu before breaking it ? how much time can Itachi trap him and make something while Gaara can't see him.
What is special about Itachi's genjutsus is that he can perfectly Imitate the reality , so the Victim will realise he's in an illusion too late.
The Mirror can block the 5 basic elements , and can as well block solid attacks , like sasuke's sword and the explosive Kunais , Gaara's sand attacks won't be a problem for a Two layered Defence (the Yata mirror , and the Usual susanoo Defence)
and we are forgetting that Tsunade is with Itachi , she can give him a couple of Slugs at the beginning , so Low chakra and Injuries won't be a problem.

actually he can,the tsunami he made against kimi is enough for any one of them,and that was a grassland,this is a city with lots of ground and rocks,and he can make much more sand at a much faster rate that when he was 13,so doing those arent a problem.

He can hide it in a spot where he can veiw itachi,but itachi cant find the eye,just like he did to the kages,or he can just make it next to his sphere.

Heat of amaterasu wont affect gaara,it can't burn his sand,hence can't spread,and he can just shed the surface of the sand sphere and replace it,the heat of sasuke's flame didbt affect him in the least,itachi's inferior flanes wont either.there are holes both infront and behind the sphere,so breathing isnt a problem.

Itachi can't put someone in genjuts behind a sand wall,and gaara has already witnessesed visual changing genjuts on a higher level,the clam genjutsu,his sand sensing will easily tell him when itachi is screwing with his mind,mizukage's genjutsu affected the senses as well.this is only if he is not in a sand sphere which is unlikely considering itachi's genjutsu fame. Sand sensing,3rd eye and sand sphere renders itachi's genjutsu arsenal near mute.

Finger genjutsu isnt a genjutsu of that caliber,can itachi make something in the time it takes for gaara to bite his lip?

Your right,sand hail wont be a problem,it would be a distraction for the real problem,hitting him from below.

You yourself seem to forget that gaara has a jinton user on his side who can fly like him,and tsunade using katsuya to give chakra requires her to stay still IIRC,tsunade cant stop a jinton,giant rock golem would distract her,his jinton would take either one or both out. Tsunade wont last long against onoki,especially if she starts trying to heal itachi. Countering jinton requires putting constant pressure against the user,tsunade cant do that,she gets killed.

 

[TobisPawn]

Tsunade and Itachi win, primarily due to Itachi. Onoki can make Gaara's sand light, but it's not getting past the Yata Mirror, nor is it reaching on top of Katsuyu so easily. Itachi either snipes Gaara off with Amaterasu, or blitzes him with a exploding Bunshin feint. Onoki's trouble, but Itachi can handle him as long as Tsunade keeps Gaara preoccupied.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Team 1 mid-high diff.

 

[the dark king]

after he is pulled out of susanoo.



how would tsunade heal itachi when facing gaara?is she going to ignore him?,onoki can fly you know?,and itachi cant use susanoo and amaterasu at the same time can he?,if onoki flies up,hitting him will be difficult. Also onoki can fly close to gaara,so that gaara can protect him,since gaara can also fly too,jinton takes abt 5 or so secs to form,i am sure gaara can protect him for that long,one jinton and one of them dies.

Also with both their experienes with facing sharingans,i am sure they will know that gaara is the better match for itachi where onoki is a better match for tsunade,dont forget abt the rock golems and sand structures that can grow to giant sizes that these 2 can make too as well as the rock and sand clones. Gaara can use this as well to distract them

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this. so team onoki high diff(but only because of itachi)

 

[the dark king]

actually he can,the tsunami he made against kimi is enough for any one of them,and that was a grassland,this is a city with lots of ground and rocks,and he can make much more sand at a much faster rate that when he was 13,so doing those arent a problem.

He can hide it in a spot where he can veiw itachi,but itachi cant find the eye,just like he did to the kages,or he can just make it next to his sphere.

Heat of amaterasu wont affect gaara,it can't burn his sand,hence can't spread,and he can just shed the surface of the sand sphere and replace it,the heat of sasuke's flame didbt affect him in the least,itachi's inferior flanes wont either.there are holes both infront and behind the sphere,so breathing isnt a problem.

Itachi can't put someone in genjuts behind a sand wall,and gaara has already witnessesed visual changing genjuts on a higher level,the clam genjutsu,his sand sensing will easily tell him when itachi is screwing with his mind,mizukage's genjutsu affected the senses as well.this is only if he is not in a sand sphere which is unlikely considering itachi's genjutsu fame. Sand sensing,3rd eye and sand sphere renders itachi's genjutsu arsenal near mute.

Finger genjutsu isnt a genjutsu of that caliber,can itachi make something in the time it takes for gaara to bite his lip?

Your right,sand hail wont be a problem,it would be a distraction for the real problem,hitting him from below.

You yourself seem to forget that gaara has a jinton user on his side who can fly like him,and tsunade using katsuya to give chakra requires her to stay still IIRC,tsunade cant stop a jinton,giant rock golem would distract her,his jinton would take either one or both out. Tsunade wont last long against onoki,especially if she starts trying to heal itachi. Countering jinton requires putting constant pressure against the user,tsunade cant do that,she gets killed.

and this

 

[Microsword57]

Yes, it can block Totsuka with relative easy. Gaara blocked 5 Susanoo swords. 1 sword is no match for him.

Gaara's Sand did not block the 5 swords it cushioned the blow. The Impact of the 5 swords still sent Gaara flying from his location[

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]. Gaara however does have the feat of blocking 1 Susanoo Sword[

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]. The Totsuka Blade Seals any and everything that is pierced by it. The scale in which the Totsuka blade makes contact with in 1 attack is far beyond that of a Susanoo Sword. To stay relevant Gaara and Onoki would be victorious.

 

[genii96]

I Don't like Long Debates , so this will be my last Reply .
The flames are not intended to Touch Gaara , but to heat the Sphere , and remmember that when He fought Sasuke , he wasn't in a sphere.
and who said Sasuke's flames are superior , He can only control them , but the black flames are the same.
Also , Gaara never fought anyone without Looking at him, you're counting too much on the Eye , Maybe If Itachi will be able to look in the eye , He will genjutsu Gaara.
Gaara can bite his tongue very fast (like everybody else ) ,but I Am sure that he won't figure out that he is fighting an Illusion of Itachi , Only after Itachi makes his move., and like we saw in his Battles , He can perfectly Immitates the reality , that even Sasuke took time to figure out that he's in a Genjutsu, with his Sharingan When it comes to Genjutsu , it's Useless to compare Itachi to other ninjas , he's on a different Level.He can control poeple and Genjutsu them from a distance :

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One more thing , Itachi's fights are not about the strongest , they're about the Smartest, It will be a matter of time until he analysis Gaara's Abilities and put a counter to his Jutsus ,.,
You're Basically saying Gaara will :
-Control the sphere control his attacks control the eye Avoiding the physical (visual in this situation) contact , and keep using his sensor send at the same time ? i Don't think so , Ninjas doesn't have to use all their arsenal in the Battle , so Gaara may not Pull his Tricks.
and one more thing :
I Am talking about Itachi vs Gaara here , as the malorganization of the fight won't be in Itachi's favor , I'd like to to show that he can defeat Gaara of the desert .

okay,first gaara can simply shed the surface of the and,the flames cant burn through his sand,so just some grains of sand will be ablaze,he just removes them and replaces it.

Gaara fought 5 madara clones without looking at their eye,it dosent matter if his genjutsu is better,the requitements still remain the same,he neds to make visual eye contace directly with the victim and vice versa.

He has usd the third eye since he was a kid,had he just made it up recently,you cud say that,but he has had it for 10 years,so he is quite the master at it. When gaara was in the mizukage's genjutsu,he couldnt see him,but he was able to defend himself against him and sense the clam,using his sand sensing,while his 3rd eye watched onoki simultaneously. He cant genjuts gaara through the 3rd eye,cuz it's made of sand and is basically a cloned eye,plus it gives gaara indirect veiw of the uchiha,where as direct veiw is needed.

Gaara is smart as well,and he used sand sphere,3rd eye and sand sensing against the mizukage. In the page where naruto defeats the 3rd raikage and they talk abt defences,you can see were gaara was panting against the mizukage,he had a sphere around him that was breaking apart bcos of the oil,he used both sand sensing and 3rd eye at once during theur fight.

Itachi's fame of being a genjutsu master is known by nearly everyone,so gaara,being smart would instantly put his defences up against it. Sand eye 3rd eye counters sharingan genjutsu,sand sensing counters any reality change genjutsu allowing gaara to quickly break it.