Tsunade, A and Gaara vs Itachi, Kisame and Kakuzu

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Negative Knight and genii, enjoy the debate xd

Restrictions: Izanami, KA
Intel:Full
Intent: To kill
Scenario: Gaara vs Kimimaro

 

[genii96]

Tsunade beats kisame:
she uses taijutsu,so he is not absorbing anything,she has a giant slug which would help her escape water dome and acidify the water.

Kisame is more of a cqc fighter,so gets beaten.

A beats kakuzu:
not much of a match,ms cudnt see A,kakuzu wont.
He has raiton,making domu useless
amaterasu didnt flinch A,neither will his katon
wind techs arent enought to hut him and he can dodgethem easily
gian isnt hurting him in v2 or v1

an elbow knocked out juugo,the same with kakuzu.
Kakuzu has five lives only if his heart is the only thing damaged, aliger bomb would break every bones in his body,rendering any heart useless to save him.
Raikage mid diff.

gaara beats itachi:
itachi cant hold his susanoo for 5 minutes. Sand sphere 3rd eye sand sensing renders genjutsu obselete as well as amaterasu,both of which if itachi tries will allow gaara to take advantage of the setbacks.

His susanoo wont save him from this

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right under him as well as the others at once,
or uses sand hil

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to distract all of them at once.
he can block his sword.

Sick itachi looses mid diff.


team kage mid- high diff

 

[Negative Knight]

Re: Verbally owning Genii

Hold on Genii, that's honestly ridiculous. You can't split a 3 vs 3 into three separate matches, not to mention ones you think favour the Kage (which they don't).

The combined intelligence of Team 2 simply overwhelms the Kages, add in the fact that they're overall stronger doesn't help your case at all.

Itachi doesn't lose to Gaara, Amaretsu is instant and Susann'o is capable of breaking his sand defense. Along with Kisame being the worst match up for Tsunade, (she can drown, without oxygen celluar regeneration isn't possible). Furthermore, i don't feel Kisame would ever tire in a fight against Tsunade, her style doesn't require much exertion is his part to overcome.

Amaretsu + Wide scale elemental attacks (note of every single element) + Susann'o + Water Dome + Earth Grudge Fear is an overwhelming combination.

Genjutsu would immobilize either one of the Kages before the fight barely begins, effectively making this a 2 vs 1.

 

[genii96]

In matches such as these splitiing it into sepeeate fights is easier,than calculating the possibiliteis of all 6 at once,anyway amaterasu isnt instant,is just travels very fast,and sand sphere renders it useless whether instant or not

his susanoo wont break the sand defence,especially as he cant even hold it for long

kisame is not the worst matchup for tsunade,water dome is countered by summong katsuya which will take her above the water,not to mention her acid will make the water acidic as well.

Kisame actually needs to come close to hurt her,making him an easy target for a punch. Oh and tsunade dosent regenerate cells,she makes new ones,and it depends on her chakra levels,not oxygen levels,not to mention she can turn her chakra to electricity and send it through the water,affecting kisame,or katsuya could shed some mucus(i think she can do that?) into the water. There are ways tsunade can escape being drowned,slugs like water too.

A sand tsunami from the start would affect all 3 opponents,as it changes the entire landscape and would absorb the water from kisame's own jutsu.

Sand hail would affect multpile opponents as well.

A would blitz kakuzu,his doton domu is useless,if A punches a hole in his stomach,the masks arent saving him,since a new heart would do nothing,A's speed would be too much for kakuzu to handle.

None of the kages are getting downed by genjutsu so easily,not even 5 ems's could down them like that,and A got caught because he was off guard watching out for tsunade.

If A uses his shushin blitz on kisame,this fight then goes to a 3 on 2 in favour of the kages.

Also since it isnt specified,all start in base

kakuzu starts with his masks in his back,
gaara is known to start a match with a sand tsunami

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tsunade started her match with yin seal,A always starts with raiton armour

itachi starts with 3t,against both km naruto and killer b he used 3t first,and even went to use taijutsu and kenjutsu before finally using ms

kakuzu starts with his masks in his bask always

only kisame is known to start with his water pool

so it's not like susanoo and masks will immediately starts,and this is sick itachi,he is going to eed to economize his ms jutsu if he wants to stay on his feet for long.

A is fast enough to dodge any of their attacks,gaara can blcok them,tsunade can tank most of them aside from amaterasu.

 

[Klaves]

Team 2 high diff

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Team 2 Medium dif at most.

Honestly, Itachi and Kisame could probably take team 1, Kakuzu added in helps even more.

A will be outdone by Itachi's genjutsu, as we saw him be by Madara, but with Itachi's genjutsu it may be a different story, especially if the intent is too kill, unlike Madara's, which was playful.

Tsunade couldn't beat any of those 3 shinobi individually, and Gaara could only beat Kakuzu. (Itachi is on a different level to them, Kisame = water = heavier sand = less control = you know where that goes)

Honestly, an unbelievable stomp in team 2's favour.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Team 2 high diff.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Team 2 Medium dif at most.

Honestly, Itachi and Kisame could probably take team 1, Kakuzu added in helps even more.

A will be outdone by Itachi's genjutsu, as we saw him be by Madara, but with Itachi's genjutsu it may be a different story, especially if the intent is too kill, unlike Madara's, which was playful.

A fought 5 Susanoo clones ALONE. As I know Itachi can't use multiple Susanoo clones.

Tsunade couldn't beat any of those 3 shinobi individually, and Gaara could only beat Kakuzu. (Itachi is on a different level to them, Kisame = water = heavier sand = less control = you know where that goes)

Against Kakuzu is like 50/ 50. Genii explained why she has a chance against Kisame. She obviously can't beat Itachi.

Honestly, an unbelievable stomp in team 2's favour.

No, this is not a stomp. I created the thread, but I think it's hard to decide who wins.

 

[genii96]

Team 2 Medium dif at most.

Honestly, Itachi and Kisame could probably take team 1, Kakuzu added in helps even more.

A will be outdone by Itachi's genjutsu, as we saw him be by Madara, but with Itachi's genjutsu it may be a different story, especially if the intent is too kill, unlike Madara's, which was playful.

Tsunade couldn't beat any of those 3 shinobi individually, and Gaara could only beat Kakuzu. (Itachi is on a different level to them, Kisame = water = heavier sand = less control = you know where that goes)

Honestly, an unbelievable stomp in team 2's favour.

last time i checked it took 5 madara's+ a distraction to get him in a genjutsu,itachi dosent have that.

Tsunade beats kisame and holds her own against kakuzu.

Gaara can beat either of the 3
gold dust is 20x heavier than water,yet gaara controlled his sand easily,water would do nothing to it.

Itachi is sick and his ms jutsus are countered not to mention his susanoo's weakness.

A blitzes kakuzu or kisame

 

[Negative Knight]

last time i checked it took 5 madara's+ a distraction to get him in a genjutsu,itachi dosent have that.

Tsunade beats kisame and holds her own against kakuzu.

Gaara can beat either of the 3
gold dust is 20x heavier than water,yet gaara controlled his sand easily,water would do nothing to it.

Itachi is sick and his ms jutsus are countered not to mention his susanoo's weakness.

A blitzes kakuzu or kisame

I'll leave the counters largely to Amplitude since i have to go, but most (if not all) was correct.

A simply can't blitz Kisame. In order to do that he would require his V2 Raiton Armour, something Samehada would absorb soon after (if not before or during) getting hit much like Juugo did. Once he does that, he simply converts the stolen chakra into his own stamina, allowing him to regenerate his body with ease.

Every team A intends to do this, he'll have to activate and reactivate his v2 Raiton armour, until realizing it won't work against a foe such as Kisame.

Seems like my man Kisame is due a thread, i'll have to add that to the list xd.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

last time i checked it took 5 madara's+ a distraction to get him in a genjutsu,itachi dosent have that.

Tsunade beats kisame and holds her own against kakuzu.

Gaara can beat either of the 3
gold dust is 20x heavier than water,yet gaara controlled his sand easily,water would do nothing to it.

Itachi is sick and his ms jutsus are countered not to mention his susanoo's weakness.

A blitzes kakuzu or kisame

And last time I checked Itachi was the best genjutsu user in the manga, whatever we both say is purely hype but we have seen A is liable to genjutsu, and in a match against the manga's best genjutsu user, it's hard to say he won't be put under genjutsu.

Tsunade beats Kisame? LOL, I'm not even going to address this as a serious point, hopefully you were kidding

Tell me how Muu (Who has never seen Amaterasu) will evade such an MS technique, and for that point, tell me how; in your words: "his ms jutsus are countered"

Itachi's Susano'o has no weakness, so please tell me what you mean by that.

A could probably "blitz" Kakuzu, but one blow will, can, and never has killed Kakuzu. Do you remember what his ability is?

A cannot, I repeat, cannot blitz Kisame. Kisame has this neat thing called Samehada, remember when Bee tried to CQC with Kisame in his V2 cloak? Samehada spontaneously absorbed enough chakra to rid of his V2 cloak, and put him into V1 (Can't remember how many tails) The same thing would happen to Raikages Raiton armour (As NegKnight mentioned) and all this will do is help Kisame and hinder Raikage.

Now let's add into the equation Kisame's water dome + Samehada fusion, this will trap at least one opponent, (Tsunade or Gaara) and I hope you can agree that none of them have the techs or abilities to escape / beat Kisamehada fusion underwater.

Another point; Gaara's sand becomes useless when wet (much heavier) and Kisame isn't stupid, even if he doesn't realize Itachi is one of (if not the) smartest in the manga, and will give him the idea to ruin Gaara's sand, rendering Gaara much weaker than he usually would be.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Tsunade beats Kisame? LOL, I'm not even going to address this as a serious point, hopefully you were kidding

If Tsunade touches/ punches him is over. She can use the Body Pathway Derangement to immobilize him. Or she kicks his head off.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

If Tsunade touches/ punches him is over. She can use the Body Pathway Derangement to immobilize him. Or she kicks his head off.

Are you for real right now? You're talking about a man who has gone toe to toe CQC with V2 cloaked Bee and multiple others, and you're saying Tsunade could beat him?

Do you also remember that Samehada can help heal Kisame? And yeah that last point is so ridiculous I'm going to pretend you didn't type it

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Are you for real right now? You're talking about a man who has gone toe to toe CQC with V2 cloaked Bee and multiple others, and you're saying Tsunade could beat him?

Do you also remember that Samehada can help heal Kisame? And yeah that last point is so ridiculous I'm going to pretend you didn't type it

A punch from Tsunade would do this with his body:

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I'm not saying she can defeat him. All I say she has good chances against him.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

A punch from Tsunade would do this with his body:

I'm not saying she can defeat him. All I say she has good chances against him.

Yes, by saying he went CQC vs V2 bee I meant he can evade hits well, even at speeds that V2 can deliver. I also meant that if she were to hit him, it most likely wouldn't be a clean hit, with a defenseless Kisame (Like it was to Madara in the link you posted)

Tsunade would not beat Kisame, and the chances of her doing so are low at best. Kisame can hinder Gaara greatly. A will get his Raiton armour absorbed by samehada over and over.

Itachi would beat all 3.

Kakuzu is a pain and can attack in different styles, from different places and is also great at taijutsu.

You still haven't named a way that any one of Team Kage could beat anyone except Kakuzu.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Yes, by saying he went CQC vs V2 bee I meant he can evade hits well, even at speeds that V2 can deliver. I also meant that if she were to hit him, it most likely wouldn't be a clean hit, with a defenseless Kisame (Like it was to Madara in the link you posted)

Tsunade would not beat Kisame, and the chances of her doing so are low at best. Kisame can hinder Gaara greatly. A will get his Raiton armour absorbed by samehada over and over.

Itachi would beat all 3.

Kakuzu is a pain and can attack in different styles, from different places and is also great at taijutsu.

You still haven't named a way that any one of Team Kage could beat anyone except Kakuzu.

And what is his counter to BPD?

I'm not saying the kages win

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

And what is his counter to BPD?

I'm not saying the kages win

And why is Kisame going to let Tsunade get close, when Itachi knows Tsunade is only good at taijutsu, let alone let her get within touching distance. Kisame is just gonna spew a sea and swim a distance, and start spamming shark bullets.

I need to go anyway, but I hope you can actually think of an argument when I check the thread tomorrow

 

[genii96]

I'll leave the counters largely to Amplitude since i have to go, but most (if not all) was correct.

A simply can't blitz Kisame. In order to do that he would require his V2 Raiton Armour, something Samehada would absorb soon after (if not before or during) getting hit much like Juugo did. Once he does that, he simply converts the stolen chakra into his own stamina, allowing him to regenerate his body with ease.

Every team A intends to do this, he'll have to activate and reactivate his v2 Raiton armour, until realizing it won't work against a foe such as Kisame.

Seems like my man Kisame is due a thread, i'll have to add that to the list xd.

minato was nearly blitzed by A's v2,if he didnt have any seal,he would be dead,unless kisame has better reactions than minato,he isnt raising up a sword to intercept A.
Juugo reacted to v1 A,not v2,the one that leaves after images of himself. Raikage in base eas fast enough to grab zetsu before h even realized it,and is incredibly durable,if kisame goes cqc with A in base,he would loose. A reacted to amaterasu in v2,kisame aint reacting to A,even if he does,he will still take the damage,A punched through juugo's chest even with a shield,only reason he survived was due to his cs2,he went rigth through susanoo ribcage with a simple chop,a full speed hit on kisame's chest or face,and kisame is dead.

True,kisame needs a threadxd

 

[Boston Rob]

One of the kage dies instantly because of Tsukuyomi, so its 2 vs 3. Team 2 mid diff.

 

[Yashiro]

Tsunade beats kisame:
she uses taijutsu,so he is not absorbing anything,she has a giant slug which would help her escape water dome and acidify the water.

Kisame is more of a cqc fighter,so gets beaten.

A beats kakuzu:
not much of a match,ms cudnt see A,kakuzu wont.
He has raiton,making domu useless
amaterasu didnt flinch A,neither will his katon
wind techs arent enought to hut him and he can dodgethem easily
gian isnt hurting him in v2 or v1

an elbow knocked out juugo,the same with kakuzu.
Kakuzu has five lives only if his heart is the only thing damaged, aliger bomb would break every bones in his body,rendering any heart useless to save him.
Raikage mid diff.

gaara beats itachi:
itachi cant hold his susanoo for 5 minutes. Sand sphere 3rd eye sand sensing renders genjutsu obselete as well as amaterasu,both of which if itachi tries will allow gaara to take advantage of the setbacks.

His susanoo wont save him from this

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right under him as well as the others at once,
or uses sand hil

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to distract all of them at once.
he can block his sword.

Sick itachi looses mid diff.


team kage mid- high diff

I agree with the 1st 2 but Gaara beat Itachi? Never my friend