tsukyomi vs rinnegan

[ulqui0rra]

since rinnegan > EMS >>MS>>> 3TS

is it possible to cast tsukyomi and subdue a rinnegan user

it's never proved in the manga and probably never will, so what NB thinks on this matter ?

and yes i'm talking about nagato's rinnegan here

 

[hasil5]

tsukyomi is a genjustsu
rinnegan isnt even on the same topic
:stfu:

 

[Westside]

I doubt eye genjutsu works on Rinnengan.

And we will never know muhahaha

 

[ulqui0rra]

tsukyomi is a genjustsu
rinnegan isnt even on the same topic
:stfu:

tskyomi is an eye genjutsu to be precise
and rinnegan is superior eye

 

[ShisuiReborn]

Even Jiraiya's genjutsu subdued one of Pains paths. Tsukuyomi's on an entirely different level of genjutsu, so I'd assume that it'd work. Id say its the closest thing the Rinnegan has to a weakness.

 

[Westside]

Even Jiraiya's genjutsu subdued one of Pains paths. Tsukuyomi's on an entirely different level of genjutsu, so I'd assume that it'd work. Id say its the closest thing the Rinnegan has to a weakness.

Actually frog genjutsu is consider better at capturing than tsukuyomi.

 

[The Necromancer]

1. Itachi claims that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him (sasuke or fugaku) can break tsukuyomi.
2. Even if rinnegan was able to break it, nagato could never react in time as it ends in 3 seconds.
3. The rinnegan has no feats which put it on par with the sharingan for seeing through genjutsu.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Itachi claims that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him (sasuke or fugaku) can break tsukuyomi.
2. Even if rinnegan was able to break it, nagato could never react in time as it ends in 3 seconds.
3. The rinnegan has no feats which put it on par with the sharingan for seeing through genjutsu.

Rennigan will most likely not be effected by sharingan genjutsu sence the sharingan evolves into the reninngan.

 

[ulqui0rra]

1. Itachi claims that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him (sasuke or fugaku) can break tsukuyomi.
2. Even if rinnegan was able to break it, nagato could never react in time as it ends in 3 seconds.
3. The rinnegan has no feats which put it on par with the sharingan for seeing through genjutsu.

it is proven that senju DNA is better when it comes to using a sharingan
senju DNA enhances the sharingan ability
hence the credibility of that particular quote is lost
uzumaki blood can make up for uchiha blood
besides rinngan is far superior than 3t sharingan

 

[ShisuiReborn]

Actually frog genjutsu is consider better at capturing than tsukuyomi.

I can understand that, as you can avoid Tsukuyomi by avoiding eye contact. But against the Rinnegan, making eye contact wouldnt be difficult. One of its main strengths is its shared sight ability. All the paths of pain had shared sight, making it harder to flank them or whatever. Plus all the summons, the King of hell, etc., have it s well. You've got like 10 pairs of eyes right there. Im sure Itachi/Sasuke could land it on at least ONE of them.

 

[Bronze]

rinnegan can break tskuyomi and i will give reason why:

1-rinnegan can notice any form of genjutsu as seen twice when nagato knew the genjutsu used by jiraiya as shown in here (

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2-it has the ability chakra flow meaning rinnegan can know if they under genjutsu because their chakra flow would be disturbed.

3-the rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan that broke tskuyomi
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so with these reason above ^, there is no doubt that rinnegan can break tskuyomi.

 

[ulqui0rra]

I can understand that, as you can avoid Tsukuyomi by avoiding eye contact. But against the Rinnegan, making eye contact wouldnt be difficult. One of its main strengths is its shared sight ability. All the paths of pain had shared sight, making it harder to flank them or whatever. Plus all the summons, the King of hell, etc., have it s well. You've got like 10 pairs of eyes right there. Im sure Itachi/Sasuke could land it on at least ONE of them.

see the main point being the effectiveness of eye genjutsu here not landing
can rinnegan be put in to an eye genjutsu that's the question

 

[Westside]

I can understand that, as you can avoid Tsukuyomi by avoiding eye contact. But against the Rinnegan, making eye contact wouldnt be difficult. One of its main strengths is its shared sight ability. All the paths of pain had shared sight, making it harder to flank them or whatever. Plus all the summons, the King of hell, etc., have it s well. You've got like 10 pairs of eyes right there. Im sure Itachi/Sasuke could land it on at least ONE of them.

But as we saw in jiraya's case If you cast genjutsu on one of paths or summons it doesn't affect nagato.

 

[ulqui0rra]

rinnegan can break tskuyomi and i will give reason why:

1-rinnegan can notice any form of genjutsu as seen twice when nagato knew the genjutsu used by jiraiya as shown in here (

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2-it has the ability chakra flow meaning rinnegan can know if they under genjutsu because their chakra flow would be disturbed.

3-the rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan that broke tskuyomi
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so with these reason above ^, there is no doubt that rinnegan can break tskuyomi.

yaa and outer path to disturb chakra every second
tsukyomi would be trolled hard

 

[ShisuiReborn]

rinnegan can break tskuyomi and i will give reason why:

1-rinnegan can notice any form of genjutsu as seen twice when nagato knew the genjutsu used by jiraiya as shown in here (

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) and in here (

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2-it has the ability chakra flow meaning rinnegan can know if they under genjutsu because their chakra flow would be disturbed.

3-the rinnegan is the next evolution of sharingan that broke tskuyomi
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so with these reason above ^, there is no doubt that rinnegan can break tskuyomi.

1/2: They can tell when they're under genjutsu; that doesnt necessarily mean they can break it.

3. Not all Sharingans can break it. Itachi stated that only those who share his blood (not just his eyes) could break it. Hence, why Danzo, even though he had tons of sharingans, couldnt even detect he was under genjutsu during the fight. Plus, thats like saying the Rinnegan is just an upgraded MS. Its not. It evolved from it, yes. But it has entirely different traits; it cant launch black flames and warp things into different dimensions.

 

[ulqui0rra]

1/2: They can tell when they're under genjutsu; that doesnt necessarily mean they can break it.

3. Not all Sharingans can break it. Itachi stated that only those who share his blood (not just his eyes) could break it. Hence, why Danzo, even though he had tons of sharingans, couldnt even detect he was under genjutsu during the fight. Plus, thats like saying the Rinnegan is just an upgraded MS. Its not. It evolved from it, yes. But it has entirely different traits; it cant launch black flames and warp things into different dimensions.

yes but rinnegan >>> 3t sharingan isn't it ?

 

[Bronze]

1/2: They can tell when they're under genjutsu; that doesnt necessarily mean they can break it.

3. Not all Sharingans can break it. Itachi stated that only those who share his blood (not just his eyes) could break it. Hence, why Danzo, even though he had tons of sharingans, couldnt even detect he was under genjutsu during the fight. Plus, thats like saying the Rinnegan is just an upgraded MS. Its not. It evolved from it, yes. But it has entirely different traits; it cant launch black flames and warp things into different dimensions.

1-but it would still let them know that they are under genjutsu, with that being said the rinnegan user would know how to break it.

2-you do realize that in order to awaken the rinnegan, you need uchiha sharingan and senju DNA for that to happen. madara is the only who awakened them naturally when his EMS evolved to rinnegan. madara used susanoo while rinnegan activated.

 

[ShisuiReborn]

see the main point being the effectiveness of eye genjutsu here not landing
can rinnegan be put in to an eye genjutsu that's the question

Until Kishi makes that happen int he manga, I doubt we'll really be able to figure it out. So far, nothing says it can block it, but there's no proof that says it cant.

But as we saw in jiraya's case If you cast genjutsu on one of paths or summons it doesn't affect nagato.

True, but the genjutsu still worked on something with the Rinnegan, is what I'm saying. And all those eyes just make for more targets Lol

yes but rinnegan >>> 3t sharingan isn't it ?

True, but Itachi's not talking about his sharingan at all when it comes to breaking it. It had something to do with his actual bloodline. Which makes little sense; but then again, not much does anymore...

Now I'm going to sleep. My overall statement is that I think it can affect someone, until it's proven otherwise. But whatever...kotoamatsukami to the face solves every problem Lol

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

I'LL KEEP ON POSTING THIS UNTIL YOU GUYS GET IT INTO YOUR SKULL

1. Itachi dead or alive would kill Nagato. Nagato was unable to walk. Even if Kabuto wasn't controlling him he would have died.
2. Chibaku Tensei is Futile against Multiple Yasaka's Magatama's like Itachi used against Kabuto
3. The Yata Mirror deflects ALL things including Shinra Tensei.
4. Nagato wasn't the only one called INVINCIBLE. Zetsu said that Itachi with the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror is INVINCIBLE.
5. Itachi was able to easily sea a SANNIN'S 8 Headed Snake so Nagato's summons wouldn't be hard to seal or amatratsu would just do the job.
6. The Totsuka Blade can seal Gedo Mazo so Nagato's Dragon Soul Carrier is Useless
7. The Pretha Path absorbed too much Frog chakra from Naruto that it turned into a frog statue, how much Amateratsu do you think Nagato can absorb before he dies?
8. Itachi blinded every other possible line of sight for Nagato remember?
9. The Asura paths bombs are useless before Susano'o
10. Tsukuyomi is just OVERKILL! Itachi placed a Perfect Jinchuriki(Bee) in Tsukuyomi so what can Nagato do?

And I wanna clear something out. Itachi has low stamina due to his excessive use of the Mangekyou Sharingan and Nagato is Immobile as said here

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so even if he was conscious he couldn't do anything about it. Itachi has low stamina, but he has large chakra. Obito said the Uchiha were known for their sharingan and large chakra as said here

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so it's safe to say that Itachi has the chakra to do all his jutsus. Another proof of Itachi's large chakra was in his fight against Sasuke. Even with the cursed seal, Sasuke had exhausted all his chakra but Itachi still had enough to summon his Susano'o.

Many people say that if Itachi could place genjutsu on Nagato he would have done it when they fought as Edos. This is a very good question but here's the answer. WHAT WOULD GENJUTSU BENEFIT ITACHI WHEN HE'S FIGHTING AGAINST AN EDO TENSEI? An Edo Tensei cannot die. Itachi saw it as pointless placing a genjutsu on someone that cannot die so he resorted to sealing instead. Again this was where Itachi used ONE Yasaka's Magatama to destroy Chibaku Tensei

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and this was where Itachi used NUMEROUS Yasaka's Magatama to attempt to hit Kabuto

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So you see that he can fire numerous at Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Also Itachi said here

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that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break out of Tsukuyomi meaning only Sasuke, Fugaku(Itachi's dad) and Mikoto(Itachi's mum) Uchiha can break out of his genjutsu.

And Again, nagato fanboys say that Itachi's Sharingan is derived from the Rinnegan therefor Nagato cannot enter genjutsu, but this is wrong. If you have a Rinnegan but you can't unlock it's full power then you are weaker than a sharingan user who can unlock the sharingan's full power. Itachi reached the final stage of his sharingan with Susano'o and Izanami. Nagato who has had the Rinnegan for years is NO WHERE near Obito or Madara who haven't used it as much as him. Here is proof

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Obito said his binding was more powerful than that of Nagato. Another proof is that Nagato controlled 6 paths and almost turned into a skeleton. Obito controlled 6 paths plus Gedo Mazo and was still battle ready. So Itachi's MS>Nagato's Rinnegan

 

[Westside]

I'LL KEEP ON POSTING THIS UNTIL YOU GUYS GET IT INTO YOUR SKULL

1. Itachi dead or alive would kill Nagato. Nagato was unable to walk. Even if Kabuto wasn't controlling him he would have died.
2. Chibaku Tensei is Futile against Multiple Yasaka's Magatama's like Itachi used against Kabuto
3. The Yata Mirror deflects ALL things including Shinra Tensei.
4. Nagato wasn't the only one called INVINCIBLE. Zetsu said that Itachi with the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror is INVINCIBLE.
5. Itachi was able to easily sea a SANNIN'S 8 Headed Snake so Nagato's summons wouldn't be hard to seal or amatratsu would just do the job.
6. The Totsuka Blade can seal Gedo Mazo so Nagato's Dragon Soul Carrier is Useless
7. The Pretha Path absorbed too much Frog chakra from Naruto that it turned into a frog statue, how much Amateratsu do you think Nagato can absorb before he dies?
8. Itachi blinded every other possible line of sight for Nagato remember?
9. The Asura paths bombs are useless before Susano'o
10. Tsukuyomi is just OVERKILL! Itachi placed a Perfect Jinchuriki(Bee) in Tsukuyomi so what can Nagato do?

And I wanna clear something out. Itachi has low stamina due to his excessive use of the Mangekyou Sharingan and Nagato is Immobile as said here

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so even if he was conscious he couldn't do anything about it. Itachi has low stamina, but he has large chakra. Obito said the Uchiha were known for their sharingan and large chakra as said here

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so it's safe to say that Itachi has the chakra to do all his jutsus. Another proof of Itachi's large chakra was in his fight against Sasuke. Even with the cursed seal, Sasuke had exhausted all his chakra but Itachi still had enough to summon his Susano'o.

Many people say that if Itachi could place genjutsu on Nagato he would have done it when they fought as Edos. This is a very good question but here's the answer. WHAT WOULD GENJUTSU BENEFIT ITACHI WHEN HE'S FIGHTING AGAINST AN EDO TENSEI? An Edo Tensei cannot die. Itachi saw it as pointless placing a genjutsu on someone that cannot die so he resorted to sealing instead. Again this was where Itachi used ONE Yasaka's Magatama to destroy Chibaku Tensei

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and this was where Itachi used NUMEROUS Yasaka's Magatama to attempt to hit Kabuto

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So you see that he can fire numerous at Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Also Itachi said here

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that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break out of Tsukuyomi meaning only Sasuke, Fugaku(Itachi's dad) and Mikoto(Itachi's mum) Uchiha can break out of his genjutsu.

And Again, nagato fanboys say that Itachi's Sharingan is derived from the Rinnegan therefor Nagato cannot enter genjutsu, but this is wrong. If you have a Rinnegan but you can't unlock it's full power then you are weaker than a sharingan user who can unlock the sharingan's full power. Itachi reached the final stage of his sharingan with Susano'o and Izanami. Nagato who has had the Rinnegan for years is NO WHERE near Obito or Madara who haven't used it as much as him. Here is proof

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Obito said his binding was more powerful than that of Nagato. Another proof is that Nagato controlled 6 paths and almost turned into a skeleton. Obito controlled 6 paths plus Gedo Mazo and was still battle ready. So Itachi's MS>Nagato's Rinnegan

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