The reason a person with a tailed beast can break out of any genjutsu is because they always have a partner to disrupt their chakra flow with is what breaks them out.
Tsunade could break out of it IF, and I do believe only if, she had katsuyu hidden in her clothes. I don't believe she has the skill to break out of tsukyomi, but I don't really think anybody has the skill to break out of it without already having sharingan or a tailed beast or a teammate. But it wouldn't mater because even if she could breakout, itachi would kill her with the momentary pause it gave him, and again even if he wasn't fast enough to do that, tsunades not strong enough to beat him or any of the last sharingan users we've seen and heard about. Itachi, sasuke, shisui, madara.
I left tobi out because he can't use the technique
Tsukuyomi is said to be that ocular jutsu that no one but sharingan blood line users and jinchūriki's can break, I disagree with that.
Lets look at Tsukuyomi in medical terms.
Tsukuyomi affects the victim on a psycological level. It is said to be used as a method to interogation. Also it is said to break someones will power and spirit.
Medically I think Tsunade (the greatest medical ninja) can break it, Tsunade has shown the ability to heal individuals from the AFFECTS of Tsukuyomi, I know it is the after effect of Tsukuyomi but medically wise she can break it. Orochimaru went to Tsunade to heal the most complex seal in Reaper Death seal. Althought she didn't heal it, it is likely she could've since Orochimaru was 100% sure.
The question is, would Itachi even let her break it? The thing is......... knowing how to break out of something is different from actually doing it and accomplishing it. The complexity of how Itachi does Tuskuyomi is critical, only a few in my opinion can break it(Madara, Killerbee, Naruto, Izuna, and Yagura ). I feel thatTsunade can break it in medical terms. For the record Tsuanade is garbage and plays the role she was designed for(medical nin), I'm not a fanboy.
your over rating tsunade.tsunade was only seen healing physical wounds, never mental wounds. and even if tsunade was able to heal mental wounds, it wouldnt matter because itachi's tsukoyomi can take down an opponent in a few seconds.look at the kakashi vs itachi situation, kakashi fainted in literally a few seconds.i hate it when you people question itachi's genjutsu. he is a god when it comes to genjutsu. its like saying minato can lose a race against sakura and we all know thats complete nonsense
People have got to be shitting me. Sure i said its nice to see a female ninja being overrated but lets not get absurd. Looks like im coming out of retirement to explain the power of tsukuyomi and how it gets the better of majority of opponent's part from those with mastery of the sharingan and of uchiha descent.
If the op said tsunade can withstand the aftermath of tsukuyomi depending on how many hours itachi decides to cram, then he might have an argument. To say she breaks it is trolling to borderline stupidity.
EDIT: Might aswell start with this thread, give me a moment
First is that Tsunade isnt breaking Tsukuyomi either by her disrupting her chakra flow or by using the 2 vs 1 scenario in this case Katsuyu.
There is a massive misconception that Disrupting your chakra flow is what will allow you to break tsukuyomi, itachi to be exact, however the DB says
"Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes".
^^^That quote alone throws away tsunade disrupting her chakra flow or the 2 vs 1 scenario, but ill continue. Second is that Tsukuyomi is instant. There is a misconception that instant = 1 second. However instant can range from milli seconds to a second, in either case tsukuyomi finishes when it starts, there is no way in hell you are disrupting your chakra in such time scale, nor are you using a partnered method.
The partner method that most people talk about, in respect to tsunade using Katsuyu or a perfect jinchurcki using the beast within them have already been disapproved in the manga already something that people forget. Kakashi has already booted the partnered method out of the window already when chiyo brought it up;
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Kakashi then says this;
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To put it simple even if you disregard what the DB states about the sharingan and uchiha descent is needed to get out itachi's tsukuyomi, because its instant it finishes when it starts so no ninja is disrupting their chakra flow in that time scale. Partnered method has been thrown out of the window also due to tsukyomi requirements, time scale and the aftermath of tsukuyomi on the victim. Tsunade isnt breaking out of tsukuyomi using any method
If you said after tsukuyomi she can withstand it and fight on will power and even use Souzou Saisei then there might be a loop hole, however though that is a better argument i still disagree.
First misconception is that Tsukuyomi is constant at 72 hours. Itachi decides how many hours he wants to cram into instant and that is why danzo commented on itachi's genjutsu and mocked sasuke's;
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And i quote " nothing compared to itachi's which can control the length of this illusion". Do you know what length danzo is talking about?. He is talking about how many hours itachi decides to cram into instant. Against kakashi he crammed 72 hours;
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Against sasuke he crammed 24 hours;
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As you can, itachi's has full control over the time he decides to cram itachi tsukuyomi. There is a clear fluctuation in 72 hours and 24 in tsukuyomi whilst in the real world the time in still constant at instant. 24 hours was itachi showing sasuke how he killed his parents was enough to 1 shot him. 72 hours of itachi constantly stabbing kakashi left, right and centre though it didnt one shot him straight after tsukuyomi, he couldnt stand anymore and needed to kneel. Tsukuyomi later got the better of him a few minutes later and he ended up like sasuke. Tsukuyomi's power isnt just in how many hours itachi can cram into instant but also what image he decides to show his opponent and the DB says "The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency".
We know that tsunade has a phobia of blood, ironically this is also mental state, and fits in very well with tsukuyomi's reasoning. If itachi for 24 hours show her blood in tsukuyomi that might just be enough to 1 shot her because her phobia falls exactly in place with how tsukuyomi works. Lets say she doesnt end up like sasuke straight after tsukuyomi and instead like kakashi she will have enough to still talk and even use ninjutsu. So lets say she uses Souzou Saisei which is what those arguing for her say this is what she would use to get past the effects of tsukuyomi. However Souzou Saisei only deals with physical damage. Ill repeat that, Souzou Saisei only deals with physical damage, something that eludes tsukuyomi which is mental damage;
The absolute pinnacle of medical ninjutsu~~ a "forbidden regeneration technique"!
Created by the greatest of medical ninja, Tsunade, this is the ultimate regeneration technique!! By releasing a large amount of chakra at once, the body's cell division is forcibly stimulated, reconstruction all organs and all tissues making up the human body!
If this technique is used, a body whose vital organs are so gravely injuried that it cannot bear it any longer will be instantly restored to its uninjured state. It's impossible to die by any means... for the sake of continuing to protect the lives of one's comrades. That's the resolution hidden in this technique.
[picture of Tsunade releasing her Yin Seal** and performing this technique]
↑By releasing the great volume of chakra stored in her forehead, Tsunade can make her body do the work of an untold number of years in an instant.
This wound may have brought her on the verge of death, but she won't die~~
[picture of the wound on Tsunade's shoulder healing]
↑↓The acceleration of cell division that allows for the complete recovery from wounds is paid for with the shortening of one's life span.
[picture of the wound on Tsunade's chest healing]
Second 2, p242
Saying Tsunade withstands the effects of tsukuyomi using Souzou Saisei is like saying she eludes her phobia of blood using this same technique. Both of these examples are mental not physical
First is that Tsunade isnt breaking Tsukuyomi either by her disrupting her chakra flow or by using the 2 vs 1 scenario in this case Katsuyu.
There is a massive misconception that Disrupting your chakra flow is what will allow you to break tsukuyomi, itachi to be exact, however the DB says
"Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes".
^^^That quote alone throws away tsunade disrupting her chakra flow or the 2 vs 1 scenario, but ill continue. Second is that Tsukuyomi is instant. There is a misconception that instant = 1 second. However instant can range from milli seconds to a second, in either case tsukuyomi finishes when it starts, there is no way in hell you are disrupting your chakra in such time scale, nor are you using a partnered method.
The partner method that most people talk about, in respect to tsunade using Katsuyu or a perfect jinchurcki using the beast within them have already been disapproved in the manga already something that people forget. Kakashi has already booted the partnered method out of the window already when chiyo brought it up;
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Kakashi then says this;
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To put it simple even if you disregard what the DB states about the sharingan and uchiha descent is needed to get out itachi's tsukuyomi, because its instant it finishes when it starts so no ninja is disrupting their chakra flow in that time scale. Partnered method has been thrown out of the window also due to tsukyomi requirements, time scale and the aftermath of tsukuyomi on the victim. Tsunade isnt breaking out of tsukuyomi using any method
If you said after tsukuyomi she can withstand it and fight on will power and even use Souzou Saisei then there might be a loop hole, however though that is a better argument i still disagree.
First misconception is that Tsukuyomi is constant at 72 hours. Itachi decides how many hours he wants to cram into instant and that is why danzo commented on itachi's genjutsu and mocked sasuke's;
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And i quote " nothing compared to itachi's which can control the length of this illusion". Do you know what length danzo is talking about?. He is talking about how many hours itachi decides to cram into instant. Against kakashi he crammed 72 hours;
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Against sasuke he crammed 24 hours;
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As you can, itachi's has full control over the time he decides to cram itachi tsukuyomi. There is a clear fluctuation in 72 hours and 24 in tsukuyomi whilst in the real world the time in still constant at instant. 24 hours was itachi showing sasuke how he killed his parents was enough to 1 shot him. 72 hours of itachi constantly stabbing kakashi left, right and centre though it didnt one shot him straight after tsukuyomi, he couldnt stand anymore and needed to kneel. Tsukuyomi later got the better of him a few minutes later and he ended up like sasuke. Tsukuyomi's power isnt just in how many hours itachi can cram into instant but also what image he decides to show his opponent and the DB says "The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency".
We know that tsunade has a phobia of blood, ironically this is also mental state, and fits in very well with tsukuyomi's reasoning. If itachi for 24 hours show her blood in tsukuyomi that might just be enough to 1 shot her because her phobia falls exactly in place with how tsukuyomi works. Lets say she doesnt end up like sasuke straight after tsukuyomi and instead like kakashi she will have enough to still talk and even use ninjutsu. So lets say she uses Souzou Saisei which is what those arguing for her say this is what she would use to get past the effects of tsukuyomi. However Souzou Saisei only deals with physical damage. Ill repeat that, Souzou Saisei only deals with physical damage, something that eludes tsukuyomi which is mental damage;
The absolute pinnacle of medical ninjutsu~~ a "forbidden regeneration technique"!
Created by the greatest of medical ninja, Tsunade, this is the ultimate regeneration technique!! By releasing a large amount of chakra at once, the body's cell division is forcibly stimulated, reconstruction all organs and all tissues making up the human body!
If this technique is used, a body whose vital organs are so gravely injuried that it cannot bear it any longer will be instantly restored to its uninjured state. It's impossible to die by any means... for the sake of continuing to protect the lives of one's comrades. That's the resolution hidden in this technique.
[picture of Tsunade releasing her Yin Seal** and performing this technique]
↑By releasing the great volume of chakra stored in her forehead, Tsunade can make her body do the work of an untold number of years in an instant.
This wound may have brought her on the verge of death, but she won't die~~
[picture of the wound on Tsunade's shoulder healing]
↑↓The acceleration of cell division that allows for the complete recovery from wounds is paid for with the shortening of one's life span.
[picture of the wound on Tsunade's chest healing]
Second 2, p242
Saying Tsunade withstands the effects of tsukuyomi using Souzou Saisei is like saying she eludes her phobia of blood using this same technique. Both of these examples are mental not physical
Blaze, I would love to have a debate with you on other issues that I've been wondering about of how to counter some Uchiha techniques (since none of them are Godlike) and I'm sure you know that, but on a different thread. I would like to discuss my views on Amaterassu and Tsukuyomi. Who better than you to share some arguments.
Blaze, I would love to have a debate with you on other issues that I've been wondering about of how to counter some Uchiha techniques (since none of them are Godlike) and I'm sure you know that, but on a different thread. I would like to discuss my views on Amaterassu and Tsukuyomi. Who better than you to share some arguments.
what are you talking about?? Did you counter ANY of my arguments?? I post logic arguments, intelligent discussions and everybody knows that but now you come with 2 POST so far and tell me that my arguments have been destroyed?? LOLz. None of my arguments have been destroyed, only countered so far which I can understand since everybody have different concepts and I would keep defending mines. It's only that this thread is about to turn into a flamewar and that's why I said "This thread is crashing down".
You better speak some good and mature facts before you act like a noob.
Have a nice day.
what are you talking about?? Did you counter ANY of my arguments?? I post logic arguments, intelligent discussions and everybody knows that but now you come with 2 POST so far and tell me that my arguments have been destroyed?? LOLz. None of my arguments have been destroyed, only countered so far which I can understand since everybody have different concepts and I would keep defending mines. It's only that this thread is about to turn into a flamewar and that's why I said "This thread is crashing down".
You better speak some good and mature facts before you act like a noob.
Have a nice day.
Tsunade can actually break any genjutsu not by medical terms but by chackra control. I'm sure you all know the only way to break Tsukuyomi (Stated by Jiraiya himself) is either by not making eye contact with the sharingan user or by perfect chakra control. Therefore Tsunade would be able to get out of it since she is the only character left in the series with absolute perfect chakra control. The later is proved since she's the only one to control a Yin seal which is a forgotten talent of the Uzumaki clan just like the sharingan is an innate talent for Uchihas. Tsunade's chakra levels are monstrous levels. She can control huge amounts of chakra and release a PURE chakra nature Seal which would destroy any other user without the ability of controlling a chakra based seal which was only possible for Uzumakis.
So yes, theoretically Tsunade can break it. She healed Kakashi anad Sasuke of Itachi's Tsukuyomi mental effects. Also, we saw how orochimaru cut his hand to get out of genjutsu.You can always bite your own tongue. Bleeding or any real pain stops genjutsu.
Tsunade takes this.
I hope @Chatte comes to support this point sooner rather than later.
Tsukuyomi is not the normal genjutsu and cannot be broken by all jirayas bullshit about chakra control.....for christ sake a genjutsu that affects sharingan users...........Itachi also made it clear that only someone with the same bloodline can break tsukuyomi......
This. Itachi did not want to kill Sasuke he only wanted to hurt him a little.
Also in Itachi's Tsukuyomi all he did was throw him around and take his eye. He could of easily pinned Sasuke to a wall and pin him there with swords then use 1000 Amaterasu from 1000 clones on him in Tsukuyomi and make it feel like he has been burning for over 100 years which will all happen in 1 second. Sasuke would have been destroyed.
Itachi only did a little damage in Tsukuyomi just to push Sasuke. As we all know he did not want to kill Sasuke.
Tsunade fans are turning out to be the worst fanbase here when claiming she could counter Tsukuyomi and beat Itachi. That she, as a healer, is able to heal mental wounds such as physical, isn't an argument to say that she would be able to break the technique itself. Tsukuyomi is one of the most powerful Genjutsu and is stated to be only breakable for those who are blood relatives and are using the Sharingan. In Tsukuyomi, there aren't limits in pain Itachi can cause; stabbing a Sharingan user for three days left Kakashi in a hospital for weeks with only the hope to being healed by Tsunade. To some some degree, by increasing the mental stress, Tsukuyomi could just totally destroy the opponents mentality, leaving him death. And those who are following the manga, wouldn't even forget about the fact that you cannot be freed from Tsukuyomi since this technique takes only a second counted in the reality.
Why Blaze has to write a novel again? Only because some people are too stupid to understand simply facts? Ridiculous.
