t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

[Shiatan]

I have nothing new to bring to this thread, and I think you can easily say their levels are all very similar...

But when I review the fight Jman had with Pain and the level of raw power and skill displayed by Jman it causes me to ask myself if either copy cat or guy could have survived as long or do as well, and my answer is always no...

So yeah they are all close in power level but at the end of the day my bet would always fall on Jman over either Kman or Guy...

PS
And so by default I think the Sannin are all on the same level so my bets would be with any of them over Kikashi or Guy. Even though they are all (Sannin & Guy/Kman) on higher levels than the masses in the naruto universe...

 

[Sazzi]

kakashi's SKILL lvl is more than most, his POWER lvl is actually quite pathetic... everytime the man does a jutsu ppl around him wonder how much more he has left... and i wonder with all that intensity, what happens when you hit a person that has opened 6 or more gates, i say this because the pain recieved i believe is multiplied just as much as the power gained... i just dont see a way that they are on the same playing field as the sanin... i would probably be betting orochimaru would kill both of them by himself... and i dont know one of the sanin that they could actually kill in battle

 

[Oronagato]

Orochimaru>Kakashi
Orochimaru>Guy
J man>Kakashi
J man<Guy due to the 8 gates

 

[Bogard]

Orochimaru fears the sharingan, and Kakashi mastered it even better than Uchiwas coz he has the MS. Even Itachi praised him. So i believe he could rape Oro maybe with the sort of genjutsu he used agains Anbu.

But agains Jiraya it could be difficult so i say tie.

Gai rapes Orochimaru with 6th gates. And against Jiraya i say tie also

 

[Oronagato]

Orochimaru fears the sharingan, and Kakashi mastered it even better than Uchiwas coz he has the MS. Even Itachi praised him. So i believe he could rape Oro maybe with the sort of genjutsu he used agains Anbu.

But agains Jiraya it could be difficult so i say tie.

Gai rapes Orochimaru with 6th gates. And against Jiraya i say tie also

Orochimaru>Kakashi
Orochimaru>Guy

Jiraiya>Kakashi
Jiraiya<Guy only becase of the 8 gates

How is Kakashi>Orochimaru? Orochimaru can kill Kakashi if he were serious, and same for j man. guy won't kill oro, but he may kill guy with his gates

 

[Bogard]

How is Kakashi>Orochimaru? Orochimaru can kill Kakashi if he were serious, and same for j man. guy won't kill oro, but he may kill guy with his gates

As i've said, Orochimaru fears genjutsus from the sharingan. So i believe Kakashi can win Orochimaru with genjutsu. An even if he can't, he has Kamui now. A jutsu overpowered that can sent you in another dimension in an instant. Orochimaru is careless when he fight because he always believe he is immortal or something like that. So i believe could do the mistake of underestimating Kakashi and get raped by Kamui.

J man is more calm and careful when he fight. He knows to use clones perfectly when he is in danger, and has a good panel of jutsus but so do Kakashi. It's why i say tie.

For Guy, i think with 6th gate he is too fast for Oro, and with the speed and power he could owned him. We have already seen that just with one direct blow from Tsunade, he was done for. So a multiple blows with the power of Gai on the 6th gate, i don't think even Orochimaru could survive that.

And for Guy vs J man, the same thing i said against Kakashi. He is more calm and careful when he fight. Even with gates open, Guy could be fooled by a clone, and it gives an opportunity to Jiraya to owns him. But it can also be that Guy beats him. It's why i say tie.

 

[Oronagato]

As i've said, Orochimaru fears genjutsus from the sharingan. So i believe Kakashi can win Orochimaru with genjutsu. An even if he can't, he has Kamui now. A jutsu overpowered that can sent you in another dimension in an instant. Orochimaru is careless when he fight because he always believe he is immortal or something like that. So i believe could do the mistake of underestimating Kakashi and get raped by Kamui.

J man is more calm and careful when he fight. He knows to use clones perfectly when he is in danger, and has a good panel of jutsus but so do Kakashi. It's why i say tie.

For Guy, i think with 6th gate he is too fast for Oro, and with the speed and power he could owned him. We have already seen that just with one direct blow from Tsunade, he was done for. So a multiple blows with the power of Gai on the 6th gate, i don't think even Orochimaru could survive that.

And for Guy vs J man, the same thing i said against Kakashi. He is more calm and careful when he fight. Even with gates open, Guy could be fooled by a clone, and it gives an opportunity to Jiraya to owns him. But it can also be that Guy beats him. It's why i say tie.

Dude, Orochimaru can ANNHILATE Kakashi. Sorry, but the manga proved MANY times that Orochimaru>Kakashi

1. No where in the manga did it state Orochimaru fears Genjutsu, In fact, the databook gave Orochimaru 5/5 in Genjutsu, whereas Kakashi only has a 4, hence Orochimaru>Kakashi in Genjutsu.

2. How will Guy kill Orochimaru when a 4 tailed RAMPAGING Kyuubi couldn't kill him, especially when Oro's body was already weakened before the fight? Orochimaru had no arms, AND his body was extremely weakened yet Tsunade still couldn't kill him with nearly a lot of full powered direct punches. Oro's speed in the databook is 4.5 out of 5, so where are you getting the idea that he's slow? Kisame survived 7 gates Guy's ramapage, so how can't Orochimaru??

3.Orochimaru has used clones. For example when he fought the 3rd Hokage he used a Shadow clone in the manga when Enma squeezed his neck, hence he survived the attack.

4. The 3rd Hokage stated that when Orochimaru invaded the leaf, there was not a single Shinobi who can match Orochimaru. Kakashi is part of the leaf, and so is Jiraiya, hence that statement clearly proves Orochimaru>Jiraiya>Kakashi

 

[Arcaneos510X]

i agree with the tsunade comment her and sakura and i dont mean to be sexist but all the womenz is U.P they should get more power and fast shame on kishi for neglecting the women by giving them inferior strength i am refering to sakura of course she has fell very far behind her team mates.

 

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[Bogard]

1. No where in the manga did it state Orochimaru fears Genjutsu, In fact, the databook gave Orochimaru 5/5 in Genjutsu, whereas Kakashi only has a 4, hence Orochimaru>Kakashi in Genjutsu.

What you don't understand is that i'm not saying Orochimaru isn't good at genjutsu. I'm only saying that he fears "Sharingans genjutsu". For example, Sasuke also has 4 in genjutsu, but his sharingan takes him under a genjutsu.

2. How will Guy kill Orochimaru when a 4 tailed RAMPAGING Kyuubi couldn't kill him, especially when Oro's body was already weakened before the fight? Orochimaru had no arms, AND his body was extremely weakened yet

WTF! Are we reading the same manga? Orochimaru had already his arms since long time away. How did he manage to summun the barrier to counter a mini-TBB if he doesn't have his arms. He transfered himself with someone before, so his arms where perfectly available. Also he was not weakened at all at the beginning of the fight. It's only because he fought for to long that his body started to reject him. But in my opinion, he did all he could in that fight and if the fight had continue, he would have get raped by the mini-kyubi.

Tsunade still couldn't kill him with nearly a lot of full powered direct punches.

Read the manga. With only one punch(in the manga) he was already KO.

Oro's speed in the databook is 4.5 out of 5, so where are you getting the idea that he's slow? Kisame survived 7 gates Guy's ramapage, so how can't Orochimaru??

I'm not saying he's slow. I'm saying it's Guy who is too fast for him with gates open.

4. The 3rd Hokage stated that when Orochimaru invaded the leaf, there was not a single Shinobi who can match Orochimaru. Kakashi is part of the leaf, and so is Jiraiya, hence that statement clearly proves Orochimaru>Jiraiya>Kakashi

Yeah in part1 Orochimaru was more powerful than Kakashi, but we're not in part1 anymore. A lot of things have change since. Kakashi has even developp MS which is even rare in the Uchiwa clan.

For Jiraya, the 3rd hokage didn't know at that moment that Jiraya was there. So he is out of comparaison, and i believe Jiraya was more powerful than him.