t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

[Uzziiss]

This isn't fan boy level but it's stupid. 2 vs 1 would be a good fighter but jman with still win.
1 on 1 not even gonna say shit

Orchi is a powerhouse the only thing that ruins him is his weak body

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

No I cannot agree

Orochimaru is to slick to lose. By that I mean cunning agile and flexible only negato the uchihas hashirama and his teammates/sensi hanzo maybe sasori hidan and tobi can win or possibly win

Jiraiya is still op enough to beat both kakashi and guy. Imo

 

[blazekev90]

He has a chance to defeat Orochimaru (without prep)

Swordsmanship: Kakashi has shown that he can use Zabuza's sword just as good as Zabuza himself. We see him overwhelming a few of the 7 Swordsman of the Mist with the blade. And with the fact that Kakashi can infuse the sword with Raiton chakra and a Sharingan, in a sword fight, I would say Kakashi has the significant advantage. Orochimaru's Kusanagi sword is powerful and supposedly harder than diamond, but I don't see it being able to help in this situation. Despite this, Orochimaru's rebirth jutsu will come in handy, should he be bifurcated by Kakashi's blade. Oro can easily re-attach himself together the same way he did when the 4TK sliced him in half.

Taijutsu: We have never really seen any impressive taijutsu from Orochimaru. However, as indicated from his fight with 4TK, Orochimaru is skilled in using his snake jutsu in conjunction with his taijutsu for both offensive and defensive purposes. However, Kakashi has also shown that he can execute ninjutsu while evading one's taijutsu. From what I have seen, I would say Kakashi is more skilled than Sasuke in Taijutsu. Also with his Sharingan this will provide an obvious advantage in close-range combat. He also has 4.5 in taijutsu, same as Itachi. He matched Itachi's bunshin with his bunshin in taijutsu.

Ninjutsu: Now it is implied that Orochimaru knows many, many jutsu. However, as far as quantity goes, Kakashi certainly has the edge. Although Kakashi has more jutsu, the jutsu Orochimaru has displayed are very useful. His jutsu are on a much wider scale than Kakashi, and this is probably what will give Kakashi the most trouble. Triple Rashomon, that giant wall of snakes he used on 4TK, Kuchiyose no Jutsu. If Kakashi is very careful, he can take advantage of the terrain to hide his location. Kakashi always fights with Kage Bushin before he directly engages his opponent. In a forest-like setting for example, Kakashi will have plenty of areas to hide himself and distract Orochimaru with Kage Bushin. He can trick Oro into wasting large amounts of his chakra by using his more powerful jutsu on clones. Even Itachi himself cannot tell when Kakashi switches places with his clones. I highly doubt Kakashi will directly take on Oro's large-scale jutsu. He will likely use a series of Kage Bushin and hiding either underground or within the terrain to wait until Oro himself is vulnerable. Kakashi can use use Raikiri/Raiden also

Speed and Agility: We have seen Orochimaru effortlessly blitz Kabuto, and show that his speed is certainly above average. However, from what we have seen of Kakashi, I would say he certainly has the advantage in this area. Even as far back as Part 1 of Naruto, Kakashi was shown accurately reacting to Itachi's overwhelming speed. His speed has only increased since then. As far as agility, Orochimaru's rubber-like techniques helps tremendously when it comes to evading and dodging. However, we have seen Kakashi fight against Kakuzu himself, 2 disembodied Masks, and Hidan simultaneously all while protecting Ino and Chouji and not one of them were able to land a single blow on him. We've also seen that Kakashi was able to dodge a pointblank, large scale Futon from one of Kakuzu's masks while in mid-air (meaning he has no foothold to use Shunshin for dodging).

Intellect and Tactics: Orochimaru is quite obviously very intelligent both on and off the battlefield. However, there is no doubt that Kakashi is far more tactful during battle. His ability to produce accurate strategies in the heat of battle is unrivaled imo.



Why on earth should I disregard Kakashi's most powerful move?


Wrong.


Wrong again.

Kamui​

Deidara has experience in fighting high level Sharingan users. He immediately acknowledged that Kakashi is using an advanced Doujutsu comparable to Itachi's.. Also don't forget that Kakashi was able to quickly absorb the entirety of Deidara's Kamikaze explosion (an attack that would have destroyed the entire forest). Kakashi's aim, speed and efficiency with Kamui has hugely increased since then. Now you could argue that when he used it on Deidara, he "missed" and only got Deidara's arm. [URL="http://www.mangareader.net/93-281-11/naruto/chapter-276.html"]However, the only reason he missed was stated blatantly by Kakashi himself. He was unable to control the size and location of the barrier limiting the area of the jutsu. [/URL]


Since that time, Kakashi no longer has that problem. Kakashi is no longer hindered by these things. He was able to activate his MS instantaneously to blast away the Susano'o arrow sent at him by Sasuke, that too at very close range. That clearly shows his ability to warp things near instantly. Let's not forget that this is the same arrow which caught Danzo, too and would've killed him had he not had Izanagi, which effectively kept him immortal.


Also, also, he warped away a missile sent at Choji by Asura Path, when he was himself half buried in rubble. That tells you about his focus and accuracy with Kamui, getting a moving projectile so perfectly when he was at the verge of death himself.

oh, and all his feats in this war have been impressive.

throughout this post you made logical statements, but also tried hard to make Kakashi appear on the same level as Orochimaru. Orochimaru is superior as a swordsmen, and yes Kakashi did Raiton chakra, but lighting is weak against wind and Orochimaru is uses wind release. Orochimaru's sword would easily destory Zabuza's sword.

Kakashi has better taijutsu, but Orochimaru has better ways defend his taijutus such as Soft Physique Modification and hidden shadow snake hands. (if needed i could provide the links to assist your memory). These no only would be hard to predict, but nearly impossible to counter (unless its a clone)

If Orochimaru used 10000 snake summon the field would remain in his control, sure Kakashi could hide and use clones, but thats something Oro possess as well. Also, if its a problem Oro could easily summon Manda who have superior senses. Also, using clones take up a lot of charka, especially if he uses his strognest ones as you put it. Both Kakashi and Orochimaru have the ability of hide underground, but again Oro's is superior as he as able to merge with solid objects and attack at the same time.

Kakashi's speed would fall to Oro's slithering mode, which increrases his speed (he's already fast) Agility

lets face Orochimaru is Kakashi's superior, he has any and everthing to counter his techniques and he didint even mention his other abilites of techniques.

(sealing, poison, 8 branch, genjutsu, Edo)

 

[MinatoNamikage]

i think kakashi is just as strong as j-man and a little stronger than oro and he he could beat tsunade but all of u are underestimating her

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

What anime is your sig from? not the one with itachi xd the other one? it looks cool.
OT: No gai and kakashi haven't surpassed the sannin, not even tsunade in my opinion.

its GINTAMA,xd

 

[Gutsy]

You guys are freakin nuts.... The Sannin would beat the crap out of Kakashi and Gai together any day!

 

[blazekev90]

I already destroyed that arguments of linear theory.Databook is clear,once the target is in the space barrier ,the enemy can't get out.As you can see against Deidara.Furthermore there is no character who move constantly in non linear path non stop,that doesn't exist in Naruto.Kakashi can use kamui whenever he want and he need a fraction of second to kamui a susano arrow that is bigger than an human being,and was able to kamui Deidara's arm at very long range,on an escaping target in airs with an unmastered kamui .I let you imagine what he is capable of at midle range now that he mastered kamui.He's enough intelligent to know when to use it.If the theory with non linear path was credible,Deidara would just move Right/Left , Up/Down or non linear path to get out of the space barrier.The only explanation is in databook,Deidara couldn't move non linear path or get out of it when he was envelopped by the space barrier.Kakashi showed enough evidence that he uses at as defense and as attack.Not to mension that kamui is almost invisible you will not notice when Kakashi will use it since Deidara didn't notice anything untill he was in the space barrier but it's too late in that step no defense is possible (databook).Also Pein with his rinnegan didn't notice Kakashi's kamui.It's enough fast to counter Susanoo arrow.

Source Kishimoto databook 3 :

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srry but this proved nothing. Deidara wasnt flying in multiple directions, he was in one straight direction throughout the time they were chasing him. Deidara wasnt aware of Kakashi's abliltiy, yes he know he possess MS but the ablitiy varies. If he was he wouldnt have allowed Kakashi to focus on him in that manner.

 

[Monkeysageof6paths]

Kakashi doesn't have the chakra to be up to their level :O guys think a bit , use your common sense , guy on the other hand is too stupid to do anything against those two

 

[DeathByHugs]

Finally a non-retarded thread!!!
They'd definately beat Tsunade, give Jiraiya a run for his money, not too sure about Oro - he was the strongest of the Sannin... everyone keeps underrating him really.

 

[~Dream~]

They are comparable in power but not better than the sannins. I think Jaraiya is smarter,stronger,and has more experince but same with Oro he would beat Gai..

 

[itachi49]

srry but this proved nothing. Deidara wasnt flying in multiple directions, he was in one straight direction throughout the time they were chasing him. Deidara wasnt aware of Kakashi's abliltiy, yes he know he possess MS but the ablitiy varies. If he was he wouldnt have allowed Kakashi to focus on him in that manner.

The speed of this jutsu is near of instant contrary to amaterasu that requires some secondes to use it ( eye start blooding).As i said nobody in manga move constatly in non linear path.The non linear is just a theory without basis made by somoene.Databook and manga doesn't support this.Kamui is almost invisible ,it appears on the target that Kakashi focus on. He need a fraction of second to focus.As the databook stated

" the target can struggle helplessy,but against this technique no defense is possible.No matter what, the space will distort and draw the target in."

To counter kamui you need at least one of following skills imo
-stop him before that he use it (almost impossible)
-genjutsu expert like Itachi
-incredible speed,reflexe like A or perception Kabuto SM
-space time jutsus like tobi.

 

[karol the don]

each of them can defeat tzunade one by one. But on jiraya and oroshimaru will be a draw

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Kakashi>Tsunade
Kakashi<Jiraya, Orochimaru
Gai>Tsunade and Jiraya.
Gai<Orochimaru.

 

[blazekev90]

The speed of this jutsu is near of instant contrary to amaterasu that requires some secondes to use it ( eye start blooding),as i said nobody in manga move constatly in non linear path.Kamui is almost invisible ,it appears on the target that focus on .He need a fraction of second to focus.As the databook stated To counter kamui you have to stop him before that he use it (almost impossible),use a strong genjutsu,incredible speed and reflexe like A or space time jutsus like tobi.

The speed may be instant, I got that but the ability to lock of to someone, especially Orochimaru would be nearly impossible. Kakashi used it on a nail thrown in his direction, a rocket that was chasing directly behind fatboy, an arrow shot directly at him and Deidara who was as linear as possible. We have near seen him use it in a situation in which the target it moving in all kind of directions and maneuvers. Also, it sucks up it's first target, oro spits out sword and halls ass lol lol

 

[siyo]

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Even Tsunade would stomp.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Kamui can be escaped from, like it or not.

 

[Naruto super saiyan]

j-man will stomp on kakashi and gai in 1 vs 1 battle, so is orochimaru

agree! jman has sagemode! :scorps:

 

[itachi49]

The speed may be instant, I got that but the ability to lock of to someone, especially Orochimaru would be nearly impossible. Kakashi used it on a nail thrown in his direction, a rocket that was chasing directly behind fatboy, an arrow shot directly at him and Deidara who was as linear as possible. We have near seen him use it in a situation in which the target it moving in all kind of directions and maneuvers. Also, it sucks up it's first target, oro spits out sword and halls ass lol lol

Who moves constatly in all kind of directions non stop without let a fraction of second for kamui ? I never saw it in Naruto.

Who is moving non stop like this?

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This thread gone in domain of fiction now :shrug:

 

[blazekev90]

before i leave from work and since dude (hmph or whatever) didnt reply ima leave with this real fast as why Oro>Kakashi

wind>lightening
snake summons>dog summons and most of Kakashi'a techniques
Oro>swordsmen
Oro>at merging with solid objects
Oro>jutsu thus most are forbidden
Oro slithering mode>Kakasi's speed
Oro>sealing
Oro> at defending Taijutsu

shyt Orochimaru is just>Kakashi overall lol. the only thing he has is Kamui and that's flawed lol.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

lol Kakashi and Gai aren't beating any of the Sannin FACT!! They will be demolished.