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I searched on this forum, but I didnt find any theory/threads that runs on the line I am about to introduce. But if such theory was created, then kindly delete the thread, if not enjoy and leave valuable comments.

As it can be seen from last few Mangas, we can say that Sharingan is getting actively involved in Series...So I am trying to bring out an interesting fact about Sharingan, that I think many of you might have not noticed.
Well to begin with something about Sharingan...
What is Sharingan
Select few members of the Uchiha clan possess the ability to activate the bloodline Sharingan eye. This doujutsu (eye skill) gives one the ability to read Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and then defeat it. As such, the clan member can view a technique being performed and see the tricks and movements required to be able to complete it. However the clan member can not copy techniques which are unique to another bloodline. It also gives one the ability to cast jutsu techniques only possible by possessing the eye.

Origin of Sharingan:-Hinduism
The name Shiva, in one interpretation, is also said to have derived from the Dravidian word “Siva” meaning “to be red”. It is the equivalent of Rudra, “the red” RigVeda (Encyclopedia of Indian Tribes By Shyam Singh Shashi, p. 190)

Shiva as we know him today shares many features with the Vedic god Rudra[39] and both Shiva and Rudra are viewed as the same personality in a number of Hindu traditions. Rudra, the god of the roaring storm, is usually portrayed in accordance with the element he represents as a fierce, destructive deity.

Rudra and Agni (the god of fire) have a close relationship. The identification between Agni and Rudra in the Vedic literature was an important factor in the process of Rudra's gradual development into the later character as Rudra-Shiva.[52] The identification of Agni with Rudra is explicitly noted in the Nirukta, an important early text on etymology, which says "Agni is called Rudra also".[53] The interconnections between the two deities are complex, and according to Stella Kramrisch:

The fire myth of Rudra-Śiva plays on the whole gamut of fire, valuing all its potentialities and phases, from conflagration to illumination.

In the Śatarudrīa, some epithets of Rudra such as Sasipa?jara ("Of golden red hue as of flame") and Tivaṣīmati ("Flaming bright") suggest a fusing of the two deities.[55] In medieval sculpture both Agni and the form of Shiva known as Bhairava have flaming hair as a special feature (sasuke's flame-like hair)

Shiva formed the third eye (Sh, MS, EMS?) to restore order and fire emerged from his third eye to re-create light. The fierce light from his third eye is so powerful and destructive that henceforth he only opens it to destroy all that is unconscious, dark, and dualistic, in this dancing universe (sounds like Amaterasu)

Shiva is often shown garlanded with a snake and has a crescent moon on his forehead (any association with how Sasuke remembered the moon on THAT night?)

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O.K. thats it for background of Sharingan. Now starts my theory...
Sharingan was the first Kekkei-Genkai introduced in Manga/Anime...I believe Uchihas strength does not lie in Sharingan but the affinity they have for doing Space/Time Manipulation...
Space-time manipulation is the ability to alter the space-time continuum, enabling:

* Time manipulation (slowing down, reversing, or stopping time).
* Time travel (moving through time or "folding time").
* Teleportation (moving instantaneously through space or "folding space")

I believe their eyes are actually a mere tool granted along with their special blood/chakra, this tool enhances their ability of doing any kind of jutsu. I will explain my point properly...
What Sharingan does.:-
Heightened senses and accuracy of eyesight: This one never made a ton of sense explained as it was in the manga. They can see and perceive better? I personally think that it isn't that they are seeing better, but that they can in fact internally slow time. This explains more, any ninja can recognize hand seals, and hang seals are the tools used to form chakra for release, which then creates the attack. The Sharingan is said to allow the user to see how the attack is being performed, but I think that anyone can see how an attack is being performed, they simply need to see the handseals, this is how they learn in the academy! No the Uchiha is perceiving an enemy, but in slow motion. They can see specific seals, there for they can copy the seals the enemy is using and there for learn them. Under this, them slowing time eternally to be able to take in and process more information better explains the "heightened senses" portion of the Sharingan eye itself.
Diffrence between Sharingan and other doujutsus.
The Sharingan eye having different variations: Why is it that the Sharingan is the only eye kg to have different forms. There is only one kind of Buyugkan and there is only one Rinnengan, so why are there 5 different Sharingan eyes? One, two, and three Tamoe base eye, MS, and now EMS. I think that their tool is evolving with the real blood abilities use. With Buyugkan and Rinnengan, the user has their specific set abilities, but I think that the Sharingan, not actually being the special ability but one of the granted tools can evolve.

MS/EMS abilities.
Tsukuyomi
a genjutsu yes, but different than other genjutsus. Genjutsus usually occur in real time, while the user and the victim are in the genjutsu, time passes in the jutsu as it does to on-lookers. Not Tsukiyomi though, its an instant, a one second technique that drags victim and user into a 3 day technique. This isn't a usual genjutsu, it seems to be more time/space based, user and victim are transported off into a different realm where time passes differently.
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Amaterasu
The black flame which burns everything it touches. Definitely not the usual katon. It doesn't act like a normal katon but as something different. Lets also mention that it is "created" at the point where the eye sees, it isn't shot from the eye, it just appears. Sounds a lot like a summon to me, like the flames are being pulled in from some place else. And we all know that summoning techniques are time/space jutsus.
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Kamui
By focusing his Mangekyo Sharingan on a particular point, Kakashi can force that point to collapse in on itself, ultimately sending everything in the vicinity to another time-space. Kamui costs a large amount of chakra to perform, especially in Kakashi's case, as his body has not completely adjusted to the Sharingan. Kakashi can only manage to use this technique up to three times in a given day, even when starting at full strength. When first seen, Kakashi's aim was imperfect, with it taking two attempts to hit Deidara with the technique. By the time of Pain's attack on Konoha, however, his aim had improved, being able to focus more accurately on fast-moving objects. The chakra used by this technique is proportional to the mass of the target.
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Now starts techniques shown by EMS...
This is where the theory picks up steam, because this is where Madara has shown a couple of techniques that go beyond just the eye.

Body phasing:
This is where things get off the eye track. If Madara truly mastered his blood abilities of controlling time/space, it explains body phasing better. Unlike the Uchiha techniques up to this point where they all originate from the eye, he now does not need the eyes to body phase. When Naruto hits him from behind with a Rasengan, he wasn't looking at Naruto, yet he still reacted and phased himself to allow Naruto to pass through harmlessly. He isn't looking at the point of his body that he wants to phase, he simply just phases it.
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Immortality
This can be explained in 2 different ways.
1: Time travel, I slightly roll my eyes at this, but it is possible that he may have found a way to summon himself instead of place to place, but from point in time to point in time. This would explain his "secrecy" seeing as it wouldn't be as if he existed in the time frame of the past 80 years. All we know is he disappears after his fight with the First, he reappears again to Itachi when he slaughters the Uchiha, he reappears again to bring the 9 tails down on Konoha, and then gone, until we see him again as Tobi. It wouldn't make him immortal, we would just be dealing with the same old xx aged Madara that the first dealt with.

2: I believe this more, he took the Uchihas ability to slow time internally, and made it physical. Its as simple as that, he found a way to slow down physically aging. And his secrecy could be explained by him being "in training" grasping the true meaning of his blood.

Kakashi: this part will strengthen Kakashi more as a genius ninja. He was given Obito's eye. And within his initial use of the eye, he could feel the eye required a special chakra type to run it. The eye had a "chakra memory", much like how a muscle memory works. He could sense this and adjusted himself to allow use of the eye. I don't think its his body rejecting the eye that requires so much chakra for him to use it, but that he doesn't have a natural affinity for space/time manipulation and he has to use it as an outsider in that term. I just don't think Kakashi has figured it out how he uses they eye, he is just going off of his natural instinct to do it. I think he has an idea though, that it simply isn't the eye, and that its the chakra that runs the eye that is the real key. He has evolved the eye, twice, from 2 tamoe to 3 and of course onto his specific MS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Thats it...
So from all the facts I have shown, I dare to say Uchihas Kekkei-Genkai is not eye based but lies in their affinity for Space/Time Jutsus, and eyes just work as a tool...
Yes there are holes, and yes I wrote this very rough draftish. Questions, comments, and attacks are all welcome, as long as they aren't personal

The more questions and comments I have the better I can form my opinion and better word things to create a better, stronger overall theory.

Something interesting...
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As shown in figure above...
luk at itachis eye, now luk this:-
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:-Byakugan...
Luks Similar. No idea wat that means...This is going to be topic for my next theory...
 
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One of the best the theories I've read on this forum.
Quoted for truth.

This is the first time since I've been around here, that I've seen a theory crafted from more than speculation. You make realistic links between the abilities of the Uchiha's bloodline limit, and their connection to Space-Time manipulation.

One could view the "normal" Sharingan, as a way of "seeing the future" because of a sort of small rift caused.
 

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Hello everyone.
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I searched on this forum, but I didnt find any theory/threads that runs on the line I am about to introduce. But if such theory was created, then kindly delete the thread, if not enjoy and leave valuable comments.

As it can be seen from last few Mangas, we can say that Sharingan is getting actively involved in Series...So I am trying to bring out an interesting fact about Sharingan, that I think many of you might have not noticed.
Well to begin with something about Sharingan...
What is Sharingan
Select few members of the Uchiha clan possess the ability to activate the bloodline Sharingan eye. This doujutsu (eye skill) gives one the ability to read Genjutsu, Taijutsu and Ninjutsu and then defeat it. As such, the clan member can view a technique being performed and see the tricks and movements required to be able to complete it. However the clan member can not copy techniques which are unique to another bloodline. It also gives one the ability to cast jutsu techniques only possible by possessing the eye.

Origin of Sharingan:-Hinduism
The name Shiva, in one interpretation, is also said to have derived from the Dravidian word ?Siva? meaning ?to be red?. It is the equivalent of Rudra, ?the red? RigVeda (Encyclopedia of Indian Tribes By Shyam Singh Shashi, p. 190)

Shiva as we know him today shares many features with the Vedic god Rudra[39] and both Shiva and Rudra are viewed as the same personality in a number of Hindu traditions. Rudra, the god of the roaring storm, is usually portrayed in accordance with the element he represents as a fierce, destructive deity.

Rudra and Agni (the god of fire) have a close relationship. The identification between Agni and Rudra in the Vedic literature was an important factor in the process of Rudra's gradual development into the later character as Rudra-Shiva.[52] The identification of Agni with Rudra is explicitly noted in the Nirukta, an important early text on etymology, which says "Agni is called Rudra also".[53] The interconnections between the two deities are complex, and according to Stella Kramrisch:

The fire myth of Rudra-Śiva plays on the whole gamut of fire, valuing all its potentialities and phases, from conflagration to illumination.

In the Śatarudrīa, some epithets of Rudra such as Sasipa?jara ("Of golden red hue as of flame") and Tivaṣīmati ("Flaming bright") suggest a fusing of the two deities.[55] In medieval sculpture both Agni and the form of Shiva known as Bhairava have flaming hair as a special feature (sasuke's flame-like hair)

Shiva formed the third eye (Sh, MS, EMS?) to restore order and fire emerged from his third eye to re-create light. The fierce light from his third eye is so powerful and destructive that henceforth he only opens it to destroy all that is unconscious, dark, and dualistic, in this dancing universe (sounds like Amaterasu)

Shiva is often shown garlanded with a snake and has a crescent moon on his forehead (any association with how Sasuke remembered the moon on THAT night?)

Thanks to

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O.K. thats it for background of Sharingan. Now starts my theory...
Sharingan was the first Kekkei-Genkai introduced in Manga/Anime...I believe Uchihas strength does not lie in Sharingan but the affinity they have for doing Space/Time Manipulation...
Space-time manipulation is the ability to alter the space-time continuum, enabling:

* Time manipulation (slowing down, reversing, or stopping time).
* Time travel (moving through time or "folding time").
* Teleportation (moving instantaneously through space or "folding space")

I believe their eyes are actually a mere tool granted along with their special blood/chakra, this tool enhances their ability of doing any kind of jutsu. I will explain my point properly...
What Sharingan does.:-
Heightened senses and accuracy of eyesight: This one never made a ton of sense explained as it was in the manga. They can see and perceive better? I personally think that it isn't that they are seeing better, but that they can in fact internally slow time. This explains more, any ninja can recognize hand seals, and hang seals are the tools used to form chakra for release, which then creates the attack. The Sharingan is said to allow the user to see how the attack is being performed, but I think that anyone can see how an attack is being performed, they simply need to see the handseals, this is how they learn in the academy! No the Uchiha is perceiving an enemy, but in slow motion. They can see specific seals, there for they can copy the seals the enemy is using and there for learn them. Under this, them slowing time eternally to be able to take in and process more information better explains the "heightened senses" portion of the Sharingan eye itself.
Diffrence between Sharingan and other doujutsus.
The Sharingan eye having different variations: Why is it that the Sharingan is the only eye kg to have different forms. There is only one kind of Buyugkan and there is only one Rinnengan, so why are there 5 different Sharingan eyes? One, two, and three Tamoe base eye, MS, and now EMS. I think that their tool is evolving with the real blood abilities use. With Buyugkan and Rinnengan, the user has their specific set abilities, but I think that the Sharingan, not actually being the special ability but one of the granted tools can evolve.

MS/EMS abilities.
Tsukuyomi


Amaterasu


Kamui


Now starts techniques shown by EMS...
This is where the theory picks up steam, because this is where Madara has shown a couple of techniques that go beyond just the eye.

Body phasing:


Immortality
This can be explained in 2 different ways.
1: Time travel, I slightly roll my eyes at this, but it is possible that he may have found a way to summon himself instead of place to place, but from point in time to point in time. This would explain his "secrecy" seeing as it wouldn't be as if he existed in the time frame of the past 80 years. All we know is he disappears after his fight with the First, he reappears again to Itachi when he slaughters the Uchiha, he reappears again to bring the 9 tails down on Konoha, and then gone, until we see him again as Tobi. It wouldn't make him immortal, we would just be dealing with the same old xx aged Madara that the first dealt with.

2: I believe this more, he took the Uchihas ability to slow time internally, and made it physical. Its as simple as that, he found a way to slow down physically aging. And his secrecy could be explained by him being "in training" grasping the true meaning of his blood.

Kakashi: this part will strengthen Kakashi more as a genius ninja. He was given Obito's eye. And within his initial use of the eye, he could feel the eye required a special chakra type to run it. The eye had a "chakra memory", much like how a muscle memory works. He could sense this and adjusted himself to allow use of the eye. I don't think its his body rejecting the eye that requires so much chakra for him to use it, but that he doesn't have a natural affinity for space/time manipulation and he has to use it as an outsider in that term. I just don't think Kakashi has figured it out how he uses they eye, he is just going off of his natural instinct to do it. I think he has an idea though, that it simply isn't the eye, and that its the chakra that runs the eye that is the real key. He has evolved the eye, twice, from 2 tamoe to 3 and of course onto his specific MS.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Thats it...
So from all the facts I have shown, I dare to say Uchihas Kekkei-Genkai is not eye based but lies in their affinity for Space/Time Jutsus, and eyes just work as a tool...
Yes there are holes, and yes I wrote this very rough draftish. Questions, comments, and attacks are all welcome, as long as they aren't personal

The more questions and comments I have the better I can form my opinion and better word things to create a better, stronger overall theory.
Brilliantly put!

It makes sense, that all their jitsu's have some form of time/space continuum raping going on. Susanoo can be seen as warping in from another dimension ect ect.
If this is the case, I think the only person to fight Madara on equal grounds are Sasuke. Thats probably how the manga will play out, as I dont see how Naruto with all his abilities be able to compete against a person that bends time to the same pace as Madara.

One thing that bothers me is what might Danzou pull out of his trick hat, and I would probably guess he have obtained the MS trough some means, what his abilities are? I dont know to what extend a non Uchiha user can push the limits, like Kakashi.
 
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Good but nope.
"So from all the facts I have shown, I dare to say Uchihas Kekkei-Genkai is not eye based but lies in their affinity for Space/Time Jutsus, and eyes just work as a tool..."
 

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Quoted for truth.

This is the first time since I've been around here, that I've seen a theory crafted from more than speculation. You make realistic links between the abilities of the Uchiha's bloodline limit, and their connection to Space-Time manipulation.

One could view the "normal" Sharingan, as a way of "seeing the future" because of a sort of small rift caused.
Totally agree! The sharingan slows the time of the attack/jitsu to a pace where the wielder of the Sharningan can copy the exact movements and hopefully counter or come up with a way to counter them.
 

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Hi SSj4 not to hijack your thread, but If you dont mind, can we also include some of the Byuukugan. Im curious regarding that eye tech

As far as the Naruto Lore revolves, the Sharingan is a derivative of the Byuukgan, and I ask my self why doesnt the Byuukugan evolve aswell.

Also in the past as far as I can remember the clans were all separated and fought each other. If that is true, and the part where Hinatas dad talked to Neji about the Huugya clan being one of the first/special clans to form part of the Senju group, that later formed Konoha, where does the Sharingan evolution fall in this story?
 

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Hi SSj4 not to hijack your thread, but If you dont mind, can we also include some of the Byuukugan. Im curious regarding that eye tech

As far as the Naruto Lore revolves, the Sharingan is a derivative of the Byuukgan, and I ask my self why doesnt the Byuukugan evolve aswell.

Also in the past as far as I can remember the clans were all separated and fought each other. If that is true, and the part where Hinatas dad talked to Neji about the Huugya clan being one of the first/special clans to form part of the Senju group, that later formed Konoha, where does the Sharingan evolution fall in this story?
It is not a fact that Sharingan evolved from Byakugan...
 

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Ok, so the Sharingan is a blood line limit that have always been their like the Byakugan.

That then pawns a few theories that I have read about the ending of Naruto.
You know i always "pawn" some theories:rolleyes:...:D

And yes it is not a fact. Kakashi said " Some say that Sharingan evolved from Byakugan" so it is not a fact.
 

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Kakashi said that Sharingan was derived from Byakugan. There is not much known about exact relation between two eyes. There are some theories around.
Here is the one which is most reliable...
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I was trying add some Byakugan as well as Rinnegan in theory, but could not do it, It was going out of the point of theory...
 

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Here:-

Kakashi said that Sharingan was derived from Byakugan. There is not much known about exact relation between two eyes. There are some theories around.
Here is the one which is most reliable...
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I was trying add some Byakugan as well as Rinnegan in theory, but could not do it, It was going out of the point of theory...
Thanx for the reply, this clears up a lot.

Like I said, I know its not the aim of the discussion, but I always wondered what is the deal with those 2 families.

I would really like to see a battle between a sharingan user and a byakugan. Would be nice!!!! ; )

Anyhow, you answered my Q, sort of ; )
 

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Kakashi said that Sharingan was derived from Byakugan. There is not much known about exact relation between two eyes. There are some theories around.
Here is the one which is most reliable...
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I was trying add some Byakugan as well as Rinnegan in theory, but could not do it, It was going out of the point of theory...
"They say" You call this fact? lol
 
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