Brian Griffin
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After Thunderball hit the big screen, everyone wanted to know where they could procure Q Branch's tiny underwater breathing apparatus.
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The claims
Triton claims its mask uses two specialized filters to extract oxygen from water. Allegedly, these filters use microporous hollow fiber, a (real) material comprised of billions of super-small holes that are “smaller than water molecules, [so] they keep water out and let oxygen in,” according to Triton. From there, a “micro compressor then extracts and stores the oxygen,” allowing users to breathe naturally and remain underwater for about 45 minutes.
Sounds too good to be true, right? If the key to underwater breathing is just sucking water through a porous membrane to extract oxygen molecules,
wouldn’t somebody have figured that out before now?
The designer says the product has a "very small but very powerful micro-compressor" (a Supercompressor?) that can separate the dissolved oxygen like fish gills, and put it in a tiny tank for storage. All of this is supposedly powered by a "micro-battery" that uses futuristic tech to last an absurdly long time. Think about the not-so-micro battery in your iPhone. It barely lasts 12 hours and you only checked Instagram like 5 times.
Doing some elementary calculation — they show their work —
If Einstein,Tesla and Edison could not invent something ,it probably will not be invented by a student with less IQ and experience.I hate main stream media promoting kids with super IQ stories.
Debunking the claims
Evidence for fake video:
The diver in the presented video shows no sign of being moved by the force of multiple fire hoses of water processed through the device. Although the diver appears to be producing bubbles at intervals, the volume of bubbles each time is tiny compared to a full exhale. He is noticeably buoyant (having difficulty staying submerged) at the start of the video, and becomes neutrally buoyant towards the end. The explanation for this is that he took a full breath before the start of the video, and is letting it out in short bursts, NOT breathing from the device. He becomes less buoyant as his lungs empty. The entire video is shorter than the length of an un-challenging breath hold.
Evidence for dangerous:
Humans cannot detect when the gas they are breathing becomes hypoxic. (Pilots train for this in case of depressurisation, and this is why airlines advise you to put your own mask on before helping others. The urge to breathe is driven by rising CO2, not falling O2 levels.) If a diver using this device moved into an area of water depleted of oxygen, they would have no way of detecting it until they fell unconscious from hypoxia (which is not a good thing underwater). Once water had been processed through the device it would be depleted of dissolved gas so a diver would have to constantly move in search of fresh water, without any way of knowing where that might be.
So how do fish manage this trick with gills? Simple answer - they are cold blooded, require a tiny fraction of the oxygen we warm-blooded mammals require for metabolism, and can remove CO2 from their bodies also using their gills, not lung ventilation.
The creators of a device that claimed give users the ability to breathe underwater has refunded nearly $900,000 to Indiegogo after coming clean about how the device works.
The Triton rebreather promised to grant swimmers fish-like abilities, allowing them to swim underwater without oxygen tanks. The device was purported to use so-called "artificial gills" that filtered oxygen from the surrounding water for swimmers to breathe.
However, the online community quickly began poking holes in Triton's claims, with a number of experts chiming in to say that what its creators were claiming just wasn't possible by modern standards. By this point, the project had already accrued hundreds of thousands of dollars from backers dying to act out their Aquaman fantasies.
After several requests for more evidence to back up Triton's claims, the company has finally revealed the device actually uses oxygen cylinders that, when combined with the mask's other elements, allows users to breathe underwater. These will need to be replenished after use and will be sold separately to customers through Triton's website.
Slightly different, then, from the original Indiegogo listing, which suggested that the company had devised a means of extracting breathable air from water. Here's what its creators had to say on Indiegogo about the changes to its campaign:
His latest April 1st video:devil:=D has also been debunked.
Sources : the scam youtube channel
must watch
Another debunker
The bottom line here is that we should all be highly skeptical of claims made by people.:scorps:
If he actually had such a battery he would have sold it to mobile companies and make billions or took a loan from bankers with his blueprint.
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The claims
Triton claims its mask uses two specialized filters to extract oxygen from water. Allegedly, these filters use microporous hollow fiber, a (real) material comprised of billions of super-small holes that are “smaller than water molecules, [so] they keep water out and let oxygen in,” according to Triton. From there, a “micro compressor then extracts and stores the oxygen,” allowing users to breathe naturally and remain underwater for about 45 minutes.
Sounds too good to be true, right? If the key to underwater breathing is just sucking water through a porous membrane to extract oxygen molecules,
wouldn’t somebody have figured that out before now?
The designer says the product has a "very small but very powerful micro-compressor" (a Supercompressor?) that can separate the dissolved oxygen like fish gills, and put it in a tiny tank for storage. All of this is supposedly powered by a "micro-battery" that uses futuristic tech to last an absurdly long time. Think about the not-so-micro battery in your iPhone. It barely lasts 12 hours and you only checked Instagram like 5 times.
Doing some elementary calculation — they show their work —
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figured out that the Triton would have to pass 90 liters per minute, approximately equivalent to the pump that keeps your grandpa's basement from flooding when it rains. That much power in such a small mask? Not likely anytime soon.If Einstein,Tesla and Edison could not invent something ,it probably will not be invented by a student with less IQ and experience.I hate main stream media promoting kids with super IQ stories.
Debunking the claims
Assuming that this isn’t just load of hooey, there are two ways this device could theoretically work.
The first and most likely possibility (based on what we can gather from the descriptions) is that the Triton mask works much like a fish’s gills do, and collects O2 molecules that are naturally dissolved in water. In theory, this is totally possible. The question is whether or not such a small device would be able to extract enough oxygen to keep a human being alive under water.
We turned to Dr. Joseph Bonaventura, Professor Emeritus of Marine Science and Conservation at Duke University, and inventor of the Hemosponge: an artificial gill technology that was funded by the Office of Naval Research and DARPA back in the 70s. If there’s anybody who knows what humans need to breathe underwater, it’s this guy — and his comments on the Triton mask weren’t particularly positive.
“Just do simple math, and overestimate it, even,” he explained. “Air-saturated water contains less than one [cubic centimeter] of oxygen per liter. Take one CC of oxygen per liter of seawater, and multiply that by the number of milliliters of oxygen we need at our basal metabolic rate. If you do the math, it’s hundreds of liters of water that would need to flow through a system just to get enough oxygen.”
With a basal metabolic rate of two liters of oxygen per minute, he calculates, “that’s roughly 50 gallons you’d need to pump every minute just to maintain. You’d never do that with a mouthpiece.”
Unsurprisingly, this is the same conclusion that many skeptics came to back in 2014, when news about Triton was first circulating around the web. One of the most thorough estimates found that the Triton mask would need to filter about 90 liters per minute (about 24 gallons) to keep someone alive under water, and doing so would require a fairly large pump — one that’s far too big to fit inside such a compact mask.
By all accounts, Triton’s claims just don’t hold water — but before we condemn the tech completely, let’s entertain one more possibility.
A chemical solution
What if the device doesn’t rely solely on filters to remove oxygen from water?
It’s highly unlikely that these artificial gills are legit.
Triton’s comments on Indiegogo suggest that the mask has “a special compound on the inside that blends the oxygen with compound by chemical way [sic].” Its hard to decipher exactly what inventor Jeabyun Yeon means by that, but it does raise the question: Could Triton be leveraging some kind of chemical trick to extract additional oxygen from water?
According to Kristie Boering, Professor and Vice Chair for Physical Chemistry at UC, Berkeley, this scenario isn’t very likely either. “It is difficult to make O2 molecules out of H2O molecules, and it certainly can’t be done this way and this easily,” she explained to Digital Trends in an email. “If it did work, it would make headline news, as it would provide an incredibly simple and cheap way to solve the world’s energy problems.”
Related: There’s a vegetable garden off the coast of Italy, and it’s growing under the sea
So, unless Triton has developed some sort of miracle technology and successfully kept it under wraps until now, it’s highly unlikely that these artificial gills are legit.
The first and most likely possibility (based on what we can gather from the descriptions) is that the Triton mask works much like a fish’s gills do, and collects O2 molecules that are naturally dissolved in water. In theory, this is totally possible. The question is whether or not such a small device would be able to extract enough oxygen to keep a human being alive under water.
We turned to Dr. Joseph Bonaventura, Professor Emeritus of Marine Science and Conservation at Duke University, and inventor of the Hemosponge: an artificial gill technology that was funded by the Office of Naval Research and DARPA back in the 70s. If there’s anybody who knows what humans need to breathe underwater, it’s this guy — and his comments on the Triton mask weren’t particularly positive.
“Just do simple math, and overestimate it, even,” he explained. “Air-saturated water contains less than one [cubic centimeter] of oxygen per liter. Take one CC of oxygen per liter of seawater, and multiply that by the number of milliliters of oxygen we need at our basal metabolic rate. If you do the math, it’s hundreds of liters of water that would need to flow through a system just to get enough oxygen.”
With a basal metabolic rate of two liters of oxygen per minute, he calculates, “that’s roughly 50 gallons you’d need to pump every minute just to maintain. You’d never do that with a mouthpiece.”
Unsurprisingly, this is the same conclusion that many skeptics came to back in 2014, when news about Triton was first circulating around the web. One of the most thorough estimates found that the Triton mask would need to filter about 90 liters per minute (about 24 gallons) to keep someone alive under water, and doing so would require a fairly large pump — one that’s far too big to fit inside such a compact mask.
By all accounts, Triton’s claims just don’t hold water — but before we condemn the tech completely, let’s entertain one more possibility.
A chemical solution
What if the device doesn’t rely solely on filters to remove oxygen from water?
It’s highly unlikely that these artificial gills are legit.
Triton’s comments on Indiegogo suggest that the mask has “a special compound on the inside that blends the oxygen with compound by chemical way [sic].” Its hard to decipher exactly what inventor Jeabyun Yeon means by that, but it does raise the question: Could Triton be leveraging some kind of chemical trick to extract additional oxygen from water?
According to Kristie Boering, Professor and Vice Chair for Physical Chemistry at UC, Berkeley, this scenario isn’t very likely either. “It is difficult to make O2 molecules out of H2O molecules, and it certainly can’t be done this way and this easily,” she explained to Digital Trends in an email. “If it did work, it would make headline news, as it would provide an incredibly simple and cheap way to solve the world’s energy problems.”
Related: There’s a vegetable garden off the coast of Italy, and it’s growing under the sea
So, unless Triton has developed some sort of miracle technology and successfully kept it under wraps until now, it’s highly unlikely that these artificial gills are legit.
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The diver in the presented video shows no sign of being moved by the force of multiple fire hoses of water processed through the device. Although the diver appears to be producing bubbles at intervals, the volume of bubbles each time is tiny compared to a full exhale. He is noticeably buoyant (having difficulty staying submerged) at the start of the video, and becomes neutrally buoyant towards the end. The explanation for this is that he took a full breath before the start of the video, and is letting it out in short bursts, NOT breathing from the device. He becomes less buoyant as his lungs empty. The entire video is shorter than the length of an un-challenging breath hold.
Evidence for dangerous:
Humans cannot detect when the gas they are breathing becomes hypoxic. (Pilots train for this in case of depressurisation, and this is why airlines advise you to put your own mask on before helping others. The urge to breathe is driven by rising CO2, not falling O2 levels.) If a diver using this device moved into an area of water depleted of oxygen, they would have no way of detecting it until they fell unconscious from hypoxia (which is not a good thing underwater). Once water had been processed through the device it would be depleted of dissolved gas so a diver would have to constantly move in search of fresh water, without any way of knowing where that might be.
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So how do fish manage this trick with gills? Simple answer - they are cold blooded, require a tiny fraction of the oxygen we warm-blooded mammals require for metabolism, and can remove CO2 from their bodies also using their gills, not lung ventilation.
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The creators of a device that claimed give users the ability to breathe underwater has refunded nearly $900,000 to Indiegogo after coming clean about how the device works.
The Triton rebreather promised to grant swimmers fish-like abilities, allowing them to swim underwater without oxygen tanks. The device was purported to use so-called "artificial gills" that filtered oxygen from the surrounding water for swimmers to breathe.
However, the online community quickly began poking holes in Triton's claims, with a number of experts chiming in to say that what its creators were claiming just wasn't possible by modern standards. By this point, the project had already accrued hundreds of thousands of dollars from backers dying to act out their Aquaman fantasies.
After several requests for more evidence to back up Triton's claims, the company has finally revealed the device actually uses oxygen cylinders that, when combined with the mask's other elements, allows users to breathe underwater. These will need to be replenished after use and will be sold separately to customers through Triton's website.
Slightly different, then, from the original Indiegogo listing, which suggested that the company had devised a means of extracting breathable air from water. Here's what its creators had to say on Indiegogo about the changes to its campaign:
"Over the past week, we have received several requests for more video footage and evidence that demonstrates Triton's technology.
"Since launching we have been protecting our proprietary technology because it's so important to our success, but after careful consideration we think it's important to share these details and clarify how the device works. Inside of each Triton, the artificial gills utilize "liquid oxygen", which combined with the other components allow users to breathe underwater, which you can see in the video above. We will release more information about the 'liquid oxygen' cylinders and safety strap.
"Note that the "liquid oxygen" cylinders won't last forever so we plan to make it possible for backers to purchase and exchange cylinders through our website. They will come in packs of 1, 3 and 5, and we'll list prices as soon as they are finalized. We're also working on a solution to make them refillable.
"We wanted to share it at the beginning of the campaign but were hesitant because we also wanted to protect our intellectual property. Our success and the positive comments we have received have made it clear that these details are important for our backers to understand."
"Since launching we have been protecting our proprietary technology because it's so important to our success, but after careful consideration we think it's important to share these details and clarify how the device works. Inside of each Triton, the artificial gills utilize "liquid oxygen", which combined with the other components allow users to breathe underwater, which you can see in the video above. We will release more information about the 'liquid oxygen' cylinders and safety strap.
"Note that the "liquid oxygen" cylinders won't last forever so we plan to make it possible for backers to purchase and exchange cylinders through our website. They will come in packs of 1, 3 and 5, and we'll list prices as soon as they are finalized. We're also working on a solution to make them refillable.
"We wanted to share it at the beginning of the campaign but were hesitant because we also wanted to protect our intellectual property. Our success and the positive comments we have received have made it clear that these details are important for our backers to understand."
His latest April 1st video:devil:=D has also been debunked.
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full playlist will increase your IQAnother debunker
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The bottom line here is that we should all be highly skeptical of claims made by people.:scorps:
If he actually had such a battery he would have sold it to mobile companies and make billions or took a loan from bankers with his blueprint.
