Transgender Woman Sent Back To Male Prison Despite Appeal

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If you read the first time, I said it was altered. The penis is still there it just has been altered. If one identifies as a female who cares what is physical? You're literally being a hypocrite to your own logic :lmao:
I should be more like you. Keep true to my values. Just like the way you believe an adoptive parent should never be treated like a biological parent because they are not, and no matter what, you don't treat someone by what they biologically aren't. No matter how badly they want to be treated that way. Isn't that right?
 

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I should be more like you. Keep true to my values. Just like the way you believe an adoptive parent should never be treated like a biological parent because they are not, and no matter what, you don't treat someone by what they biologically aren't. No matter how badly they want to be treated that way. Isn't that right?
Too bad I have already shut down this analogy (not doing it again) and simply presented a similar scenario with your own logic to which you disagreed. Riker just stop you lost the battle when you agreed that he was a man
 

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Too bad I have already shut down this analogy (not doing it again) and simply presented a similar scenario with your own logic to which you disagreed. Riker just stop you lost the battle when you agreed that he was a man
No you didn't.

Hey, I agree with you now. We should only treat people as what they biologically are, and if they are not biologically something, we don't treat them that way. So adoptive parents should never get the same treatment as biological parents. It's only biology and facts.
 

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No you didn't.

Hey, I agree with you now. We should only treat people as what they biologically are, and if they are not biologically something, we don't treat them that way. So adoptive parents should never get the same treatment as biological parents. It's only biology and facts.
Concession accepted :sdo:

After I've already destroyed this like 50x

Notice how you said you were done like 7 pages ago but here we are on page 13

You liberals crack me up with your hypocrisy
 

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Concession accepted :sdo:

After I've already destroyed this like 50x

Notice how you said you were done like 7 pages ago but here we are on page 13
Did I?

Of course you think you destroyed me. You're dumb enough to believe your own crap.

Your logic only applies when you want it to. There's no actually reason it doesn't apply to an adoptive parent. Are you telling me giving an adoptive parent the same legal treatment as a biological parent is not giving them the treatment of something they biologically are not?
 

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Did I?

Of course you think you destroyed me. You're dumb enough to believe your own crap.

Your logic only applies when you want it to. There's no actually reason it doesn't apply to an adoptive parent. Are you telling me giving an adoptive parent the same legal treatment as a biological parent is not giving them the treatment of something they biologically are not?
Ok so let me do this once more. I have to bed soon

This man
Is not a woman
Has the physique of a man
Already showed you and linked you to where men are increasingly more violent than women in prison
Have legally (keyword) been tried as a man

Where adoptive parent(s)
Fulfill the role of being a parent(s) (I.E : A mom and a/or dad)


The trans factually is still a man and has the traits of a man that have just been altered. Therefore he is still a man no matter what he identifies as because biologically he is a man. By your logic for the millionth billionth time a male that identifies as a woman should be able to go to a female prison if he has a vasectomy
 

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Ok so let me do this once more. I have to bed soon

This man
Is not a woman
Has the physique of a man
Already showed you and linked you to where men are increasingly more violent than women in prison
Have legally (keyword) been tried as a man

Where adoptive parent(s)
Fulfill the role of being a parent(s) (I.E : A mom and a/or dad)


The trans factually is still a man and has the traits of a man that have just been altered. Therefore he is still a man no matter what he identifies as because biologically he is a man. By your logic for the millionth billionth time a male that identifies as a woman should be able to go to a female prison if he has a vasectomy
The adoptive parent is factually still not the child's biological parent. It doesn't matter if they identify as the child's parent because factually, they are not the child's biological parent. Therefore, they should not receive the same legal treatment a biological parent would. That's what your logic dictates. The things you listed under being a transsexual don't negate this core connection between the two scenarios.
 

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The adoptive parent is factually still not the child's biological parent. It doesn't matter if they identify as the child's parent because factually, they are not the child's biological parent. Therefore, they should not receive the same legal treatment a biological parent would. That's what your logic dictates. The things you listed under being a transsexual don't negate this core connection between the two scenarios.
Sigh ok Riker
 
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Complex broke Riker's soul.
Not really. He didn't refute the connection between them at all. He just listed characteristics of a transsexual as though this broke the connection, when none of them did.

Sigh ok Riker
Do you disagree that an adoptive parent shouldn't get the same treatment as a biological treatment because, no matter how strongly they feel or believe, the fact is they will never be their biological parent?
 

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Not really. He didn't refute the connection between them at all. He just listed characteristics of a transsexual as though this broke the connection, when none of them did.




Do you disagree that an adoptive parent shouldn't get the same treatment as a biological treatment because, no matter how strongly they feel or believe, the fact is they will never be their biological parent?
Only if you agree to the fact that a man who gets a vasectomy and identifies as a woman should be in a female prison if he wants to be
 

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Only if you agree to the fact that a man who gets a vasectomy and identifies as a woman should be in a female prison if he wants to be
Only if he's gone through a complete transition.

Now what's your reasoning for why an adoptive parent should be treated as something they will biologically never be if you're not supposed to ever do that? You still have yet to actually explain that.
 

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Regardless of gender, this person's safety should be considered first. He/She (whatever you wanna call this person) will get destroyed in a male jail, and his safety should be taken into consideration when putting him behind bars.

It always amazes me how the government does not give a flying f*ck what happens behind bars. Whether this person is a man or not shouldn't even be the topic for debate.
 

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Only if he's gone through a complete transition.

Now what's your reasoning for why an adoptive parent should be treated as something they will biologically never be if you're not supposed to ever do that? You still have yet to actually explain that.
Because they can fulfill the role of a parents to the exact tee

How does a woman who who has a male *** change fulfill the role if she can't obtain a penis?
 

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Regardless of gender, this person's safety should be considered first. He/She (whatever you wanna call this person) will get destroyed in a male jail, and his safety should be taken into consideration when putting him behind bars.

It always amazes me how the government does not give a flying f*ck what happens behind bars. Whether this person is a man or not shouldn't even be the topic for debate.
It's viewed that that person gives up such rights to safety and government concerns when they commit crimes. Of course, people who commit non-violent crimes and pettier crimes are placed in prisons with less security than those who commit more serious crimes like murder and rape because they're seen as less dangerous.

Oh, btw, C. City, this is actually what refutes that statistic you brought up as an argument. Because, while men are more likely to commit more violent crimes, what statistic means is that the amount of men in max security prisons for crimes like murder and rape are higher than the number of women in the same category. And while this does mean there is a correlation between how violent the crimes committed are with ***, correlation doesn't equal causation.

Secondly, the transsexual woman committed assault. That means she's gonna be placed in prisons with people who committed crimes of equal or similar violence or stature. That's why even if you have murderers and rapists in the same prison as a thief or someone who committed fraud, they are separated based on how serious the crime they committed were. So no, she actually still doesn't pose a threat to the women around her that wasn't there before because she'd be around women who committed a crime on her level.

Because they can fulfill the role of a parents to the exact tee

How does a woman who who has a male *** change fulfill the role if she can't obtain a penis?
What is the role of a woman becomes the question then. Is it the ability to give birth? If so, then infertile women aren't really women. And how would this come into play in a jail environment? It's not like women in jail need to or even want to be giving birth anytime soon, that characteristic being brought up in a conversation about should this transsexual female go to a female prison is irrelevant. Same as having a Y chromosome as opposed to having two X chromosomes: It doesn't play any significant role in being a woman in prison.
 
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It's viewed that that person gives up such rights to safety and government concerns when they commit crimes. Of course, people who commit non-violent crimes and pettier crimes are placed in prisons with less security than those who commit more serious crimes like murder and rape because they're seen as less dangerous.

Oh, btw, C. City, this is actually what refutes that statistic you brought up as an argument. Because, while men are more likely to commit more violent crimes, what statistic means is that the amount of men in max security prisons for crimes like murder and rape are higher than the number of women in the same category. And while this does mean there is a correlation between how violent the crimes committed are with ***, correlation doesn't equal causation.

Secondly, the transsexual woman committed assault. That means she's gonna be placed in prisons with people who committed crimes of equal or similar violence or stature. That's why even if you have murderers and rapists in the same prison as a thief or someone who committed fraud, they are separated based on how serious the crime they committed were. So no, she actually still doesn't pose a threat to the women around her that wasn't there before because she'd be around women who committed a crime on her level.



What is the role of a woman becomes the question then. Is it the ability to give birth? If so, then infertile women aren't really women. And how would this come into play in a jail environment? It's not like women in jail need to or even want to be giving birth anytime soon, that characteristic being brought up in a conversation about should this transsexual female go to a female prison is irrelevant. Same as having a Y chromosome as opposed to having two X chromosomes: It doesn't play any significant role in being a woman in prison.
If safety isn't an issue, then he should be placed based on ***. Just because he identifies as a woman doesn't mean he is, in terms of ***, that is.

What would determine where he goes, if it's not his actual ***? His choice?
 

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If safety isn't an issue, then he should be placed based on ***. Just because he identifies as a woman doesn't mean he is, in terms of ***, that is.

What would determine where he goes, if it's not his actual ***? His choice?
Which brings up the scenario I gave C. City. If we refuse to treat him as something in this legal situation because he's not biologically that thing, then that can be applied to adoptive parents as well, not treating them the same as a biological parent in legal matters because they are not and never will be.

I think the transition in being a transsexual should be respected and deemed valid because I'm a feminist, but that's just me. That's how I see this scenario.
 

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Which brings up the scenario I gave C. City. If we refuse to treat him as something in this legal situation because he's not biologically that thing, then that can be applied to adoptive parents as well, not treating them the same as a biological parent in legal matters because they are not and never will be.
Well, I think the argument of adoptive parents are a little different. When it comes to gender, there is so much subjectivity involved and possible abuse of the system if it was implemented in jails that there would be no benefit in doing so.
 

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Which brings up the scenario I gave C. City. If we refuse to treat him as something in this legal situation because he's not biologically that thing, then that can be applied to adoptive parents as well, not treating them the same as a biological parent in legal matters because they are not and never will be.

I think the transition in being a transsexual should be respected and deemed valid because I'm a feminist, but that's just me. That's how I see this scenario.
Ya gotta deem the transition valid before you support them as a feminist.:sigar:
 

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Well, I think the argument of adoptive parents are a little different. When it comes to gender, there is so much subjectivity involved and possible abuse of the system if it was implemented in jails that there would be no benefit in doing so.
Of course they're different. And even though it's subjective, there are people who view adoptive parenting subjectively as well. I've seen people here say they aren't "real" parents. I think the difference is that, legally, one has been settled while the other has not yet.

Ya gotta deem the transition valid before you support them as a feminist.:sigar:
In this particularly scenario, yeah actually. Otherwise, any man can lie that they're trans to get into a female prison. I'm a feminist, not blind.

Also, a transition either valid or it isn't. It either happened or didn't. Feminists don't get to choose when they haven't, or have.
 
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