Here are examples of Itachi's Shunshin;
- Look at the distance between Itachi and Naruto. [
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] shocking Bī [Hence the bolded '!!?'] even though they were looking at him the whole time and were talking.
So he can jump fast? Lmao this isn't shunsin, and fact still remains they countered that blitz rather easily.
[*] Again look at the distance between Itachi and Bī [
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], and then Itachi suddenly appeared behind Bī and even had to warn him in order for Bī to be able to counter. [
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] Sasuke [In his Hebi state] was noted to be extremely fast by both Tobi and Deidara and yet he didn't even come close to blitzing Bī unlike Itachi who actually did it. Not even Minato managed to shock Bī with his Shunshin.
Bee clearly wasn't shocked even before Itachi warned him, ._. But alright not a bad feat.
[*] Sasuke states that Itachi is faster than Kakashi. [
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When is this? 0.o i don't remember this at all lmao.
[*] Later, Itachi was capable of keeping up with Naruto and then quickly reacting to Bī's attack who came behind him in order to try and land a sneak attack on Itachi. [
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] Now take a note of this, Itachi was capable of evading Bī's attack and returning to Nagato extremely quickly considering that both Naruto and Bī were still in the same position they were in when Itachi was there after Itachi returned to Nagato's side. [
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] He needs less time to cover bigger distances than Naruto needs to move his arm.
Again merely a jump, seems you need to learn what Shunshin is my man,
Although yes i realize that he can jump fast thank you.
[*] He was capable of clone feint shunshin blitzing a Sennin Mōdo user even if said Sennin Mōdo user had great sensory capabilities. [
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Lmao and he dodged it for the most part ._. but yes quite a feat indeed.
We can easily come to the conclusion that his Shunshin is a lot better than even Sasuke's [
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] which quite impressive, therefore we can apply Sasuke's Shunshin feats to Itachi so he gains these as well;
Lmao what? Distracted by crows much? Plus look at the image above that
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The close-up on Itachi's eye, this clearly shows that he had put him in Tsukuyomi just before that anyways, and even if he was faster, that's not how debating works ._. He doesn't get Sasuke's shunsin feats because he may have less distance/speed, or mental reactions which boost the speed, there is alot more to feats then just simply foot speed ._. So i'm just going to ignore all that Sasuke garbage.
Now, I see that you're trying to argue that Bunshin would be capable of breaking Itachi's Genjutsu which is completely incorrect. As soon as Kisame gets caught in Genjutsu, his Bunshins will stop recieving Kisame's Chakura signals as shown when Kakashi's Bunshin stopped recieving Kakashi's Chakura signal [Even though he was the one caught in Genjutsu] and couldn't move anymore. [
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The conclusion is that Kisame's Bunshin will be effected by the Genjutsu. It's either going to be caught along with Kisame in it or it won't be capable of moving anymore which would allow Itachi to quickly end the original Kisame and Mū.
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Pretty sure this was a clone caught in the genjutsu, as if it were the real Naruto, Kakashi and Others would of been right with him to break him out. So the fact that this clone clearly didn't "stop receiving Naruto's chakra" and poof
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Nor did his other clones/real self have the same reaction to the genjutsu as if that were the case Kakashi and everyone else would of known what was going on when they clearly didn't, basically that whole assumption of yours is wrong. I see no reason why Kisame can't use a clone to break him out of the genjutsu, although it doesn't really matter Samehada would suffice. First off notice how it has no eyes or any way for it to tell between people other than that it can distinguish chakra systems and what not.
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It clearly can distinguish because it was able to realize when Kisame was not holding it
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Now if it can do this i see no reason why it can't tell when its user is trapped in a genjutsu, as Kisame's chakra would be disfigured and Samehada should be able to sense this. But either way most genjutsu Itachi has isn't becoming a major factor in this battle.
I'm assuming one of you will try to argue that Samehada can break one of them out of the Genjutsu which is completely incorrect considering that it needed at least
two people along with Naruto himself to break him out of Itachi's Utakata. [
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] Two of these people were medical shinobi who need to have perfect Chakura control so saying that Samehada would break Kisame out of the Genjutsu when it needed two people to break Naruto out is kinda unlikely.
Wrong Samehada has already shown that it can basically perform the same actions as a medical ninja through inputing its own chakra in Kisame
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Probably quicker and better than that of both Sakura and Chiyo, that combined with the fact that it clearly has massive amounts of chakra (as it feeds of Kisame's) Basically solidifies the fact that it indeed can.
Furthermore, is Samehada really intelligent enough to realize that Kisame is in a Genjutsu? Doubt it. She didn't even warn Bī when Itachi appeared behind him and Itachi himself had to do it. It's doubtful that Samehada can notice if her wielder is in danger unless the damage [wound] is clearly visible.
Look above, she's perfectly capable of doing so, its already communicated its feelings
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And besides she doesn't have to verbally do anything, she just merely needs to input chakra into Kisame
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And finally, I expect to hear the ''They will fight by looking at Itachi's feet'' argument which is incorrect as well. You have to realize that Gai and Gai alone is the only one who is capable of doing this because of his Taijutsu mastery [
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] which both Kisame and Mū lack so they won't be capable of using that tactic. Especially since the latter would be flying and looking down so avoiding Itachi's eyes won't really be an option for him. As for Kisame, even if by some miracle he manages to evade Itachi's eyes in the beginning, Itachi can quickly appear in front of him and force him to look into his eyes just like he did against Sasuke while the Utakata [Finger Genjutsu] completely destroys their chance of evading Genjutsu.
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I've already said all genjutsu except Tsukuyomi is basically useless, not to mention i have proved this as well, so they really have no need to look at Itachi's feat. Tsukuyomi becomes useless due to the fact that Kisame clearly knows when Itachi is about to use the deadly genjutsu
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Or at least knows the specifics of the jutsu, once he see's the MS form in his eyes, He'll merely quit engaging him in CQC.
The Yūgure no Karasu Genjutsu should be more than capable of ending this. And with a lack of a counter to Itachi's Genjustu, especially Tsukuyomi, they will fall to the Crow and Scorpion duo. Furthermore, please do note that Sasori is here as well so what does that mean exactly? Death.
It means there is a fodder puppet which cant do shit in this matchup I_I And no Yugure is useless here as i've proven.
With Sasori and Itachi standing next to each other, it's over. They won't be capable of seeing Sasori's fingers because if they raise their vision, they will come into contact with Itachi's eyes or finger so Genjutsu ends it. On the other hand, they won't be capable of seeing what Sasori's fingers, Satetsu or puppets are doing if they keep on fighting by looking at their feet and considering the Satetsu's speed, it's over.
What if Scenario:
I've already said they don't need to look at Itachi's feet, However if you are finally done sprouting that Genjutsu nonsense lets let the fight begin. If Itachi and Sasori begin to attack Simultaneously there is no doubt Kisame will begin to use his large scale suitons to help defend and avoid and lessen the attack. Now Mu can fly, so don't go stating that he will be caught in the WD either, They actually make for a rather deadly combo, Before even using WD yet, Kisame would merge with Samehada, which he can still do as he still has a water source to swim in.
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Once he does this, Itachi and Sasori will be standing on the water, in between both Mu who is above in the air, and Kisame who is swimming from underneath. *Note that while doing this both have a very likely chance to avoid eye contact with Itachi" Once this happens this completely negates the chance for a combined attack from Sasori and Itachi against one of them, as if both happen to focus on only oen of their opponents, the other will completely annihilate them with a powerful jutsu (Jinton GSB Etc.) (
PC USE THIS STRATEGY AS YOU SEE FIT WITH MU IN YOUR NEXT POST
Alright i'll stop here however, for all your next counters this is where Kisame and Mu will be.
If Itachi by some miracle does not end them quickly with his Genjutsu or Shunshin blitzes, they'll have to do it the hard way. Itachi will begin by sending a flock of crows after Mū who will be flying up in order to escape being caught in Kisame's Dai Bakusui Shōha. These crows will keep him busy be blocking his vision and mainly be irritating like trying to scratch his eyes, face, etc.
What? I haven't used GWD, so he's merely flying up on his own accord >.> Don't go stating what my characters do without reason ._., besides Mu is a sensor so this is useless
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After leaving a Karasu Bunshin next to Sasori, Itachi will proceed to engage Kisame in combat while Sasori himself will create a Satetsu Bird or platform considering that he is capable of creating any shape out of the Satetsu.
Still Skeptical on this but whatever it gets stomped easily...
This Satetsu object will allow Sasori and Itachi to take into the skies. However, if Kisame if by some chance spits out his Suiton before Sasori creates the needed Satetsu object which is extremely doubtful, Itachi will keep him busy by using his Shunshin so that he doesn't get the needed time of spitting out the Suiton. Even if he does manage to do so by some miracle, Itachi will quickly return to Sasori's side and repel the Suiton with the Yata no Kagami, allowing Sasori to finish the object.
First off please note that it takes a bit for Itachi to enter the susano'o that contains YM
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So don't try and use YM as an instant defense...as its not, second this doesn't matter, if he goes to block Kisame's suiton Mu (who's a sensor) Obliterates the satetsu "object" with Jinton, actually even if they do get off the ground Mu can still do this, so basically flight for your team is negated as long as Mu is on the battle field.
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s this hype? Definitely not. Anyways, before flying off, Itachi will quickly take out the Totsuka no Tsurugi and finish off Kisame who has
no knowledge on either of the spiritual weapons. Kisame, thinking that it's made out of Chakura, will try to absorb it which would result in him being pierced and sealed by the blade just like Orochimaru [
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his fighting style is based on absorbing the enemy's techniques and Chakura which would without a doubt cost him his life in this battle. [
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First off where is the proof that they are not made of chakra? They look to be made of the same substance as Susano'o (which is pure chakra) Second, how else would Itachi be able to summon them at will and store them within himself if they're not made of chakra? Surly you don't think he's physically storing a giant gourd or shield within his body ._. So basically you have no proof that they are NOT made of chakra however logical questions lead to them indeed being made of chakra, none that you have presented anyway so Kisamehada absorbs the sword on contact.
If Kisame by some miracle does not get sealed, it doesn't really matter anymore since Sasori and Itachi will be flying now. This means that absolutely none of Kisame's attacks will be capable of reaching them anymore because the water itself lacks the ability of flight so any Suiton won't be able to follow Sasori into the air because it will simply fall back down including the Daikōdan no Jutsu. More so, Itachi will read Kisame's hand seals with the Sharingan and then he will proceed to tell Sasori so they will be one step ahead of them both at all times.
Wrong, one both accounts, first how will Itachi be able to read Kisame's hand-signs when he is underwater? Basically negating the visual link, and don't say he needs to be above ground as Kisamehada is a sensor
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, Your wrong on the second account because Kisame's water can indeed fly (although like i proved above its not like Sasori and Itachi are going to be in flight for very long) As you can see here
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The dome is constantly moving to keep Kisame in the center, so if he were to move upwards, of course its going to continue to move upwards as well, and Since Kisame's chakra is holding the dome together, *note how when ponta and other guy got out
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the dome basically sealed itself back up
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, (No water leaking)* So there is absolutely nothing that prevents Kisame from doing this. But again, Jinton obliterates the Satetsu object regardless so no flight for Sasori and Itachi is going to be happening here.
Now, as for Mū himself. His Meisaigakure no Jutsu won't be helpful because Itachi will see him with his Sharingan much like Obito saw the Iwagakure shinobi with his Sharingan. [
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*sigh* wrong again, don't compare Mu who was said to be the master of the jutsu to an extent of being called the Non-Person with some fodder Shinobi, besides:
The Second Tsuchikage, Mū's mastery of this technique helped earn him the moniker "Non-Person" (無人, Mujin; Viz "Null Man"), having neither a physical form, nor detectable chakra, while the technique was active. Thus, he could not be detected through traditional means.
"Detectable Chakra" Which is what the Sharingan senses, i don't see Itachi being able to know where Mu is at all. U_U
The only thing he has going for him is his hype, but hype doesn't really matter that much considering that Madara already did fight him and had no trouble tracing his Chakura as far as we know nor did the Nidaime Mizukage have much trouble with his Meisaigakure no Jutsu. Not to mention that Mū has to be visible while using his other techniques and Sasori can put up a Satetsu Dome around himself and Itachi with a hole in the front.
Lol Imaginary feats? There is no proof that any of them could sense him...Just because they won doesn't mean they could. Not even going to address this idiocy
Anyways, like you said, his only counter to the Amaterasu is the splitting technique and after he uses that, he won't be capable of using any other technique anymore. [
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PC can counter this U_U However they clearly meant while he's using the genjutsu from a far range he would be undetected its more an attribute to his genjutsu skills than anything else.
Genjutsu itself cannot be sensed because Ē's personal Sensor Shī wasn't capable of sensing Sasuke's Genjutsu and got caught in it. Same could be said for Kabuto, seeing as how he never ever sensed Izanami coming. Anyways, let's move onto the threat of Jinton. How exactly do Sasori and Itachi counter this? Well, it's rather easy. Jinton needs time to be prepared while Mū has to stay still and if it interrupted, the Jinton will fail. [
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] A simple Amaterasu or Satetsu spear will suffice seeing as how both are faster than a charge up time of a Jinton. Hmm, you state how it takes time for Amaterasu to be charged up and how Bī could have killed Itachi with a sword back then, however, no. That was Koto Amatsukami Itachi was charging up and Amaterasu does not require this charge up time. [
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Anyways, even if the Jinton is fired up, the Akatsuki duo can still counter it in two other ways:
- Evading it with the Satetsu. Madara was capable of escaping the Jinton on foot [
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Lol no, need i remind you for about the 100th time IS is not moving in fluctuating movements. Its a linear control at best, Jinton fired at it in the air and its not going to be avoided. Especially when Itachi would have to warn Sasori who would have to then move the Third, in order to accomplish this already hard enough feat. But again this is PC's territory not mine U_U
[*] Repelling it with Yata no Kagami. Itachi can quickly activate the Yata no Kagami which will proceed to expand and make an orb [
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No he can't U_U as i've stated
There is also the fact that Itachi will be clouding Mū's vision with crows much like the Konoha shinobi did against Hidan and Kakuzu [
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Lol black cloth over his head? That killed me...anyways don't even have to adress this much, just gota say he's a sensor...Sooooo