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I'm here today to learn Genjutsu. I would like to learn and complete all of my basic training in hopes that I will become a useful asset to my village, and to have more options in battle for my RP. One of the main reasons for asking for Genjutsu training is because one if my top goals is to make a custom clan, and I still need to meet both requirements to become an official sage and then apply for a clan.
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Genjutsu is one of the 3 basic battle skills that a ninja uses. While Taijutsu relies on physical strength and combat, and ninjutsu relies on chakra to be formed to make a variety of attacks, Genjutsu relies on illusionary skills. Performing Genjutsus disrupts the chakra system of another or several other people and makes them see varying visions depending on the technique used. In order to escape a Genjutsu, one must disrupt their own chakra system or have someone else do it. Another option is having been forced out of the Genjutsu by sheer damage. The Sharingan is a dojutsu that specializes in casting Genjutsu and recognizing when one is in Genjutsu by looking at their chakra network.
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Genjutsu is one of the 3 basic battle skills that a ninja uses. While Taijutsu relies on physical strength and combat, and ninjutsu relies on chakra to be formed to make a variety of attacks, Genjutsu relies on illusionary skills. Performing Genjutsus disrupts the chakra system of another or several other people and makes them see varying visions depending on the technique used. In order to escape a Genjutsu, one must disrupt their own chakra system or have someone else do it. Another option is having been forced out of the Genjutsu by sheer damage. The Sharingan is a dojutsu that specializes in casting Genjutsu and recognizing when one is in Genjutsu by looking at their chakra network.
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There are two main types of genjutsu: Active and Passive
Active Genjutsu has chakra constantly fueling them to cast illusions. There are 3 subtypes to this form though, and those are Dojutsu enabled genjutsu (most famously from Sharingan), Sound Based Genjutsu (like the ones used by Tayuya and Ma and Pa of Mount Myoboku), and normal genjutsu (like from Kurenai)
Passive Genjutsu is not fueled by chakra, and this is simply illusions to the 5 senses. These types of genjutsus though can be overcome easily with experience and logic.
Active Genjutsu has chakra constantly fueling them to cast illusions. There are 3 subtypes to this form though, and those are Dojutsu enabled genjutsu (most famously from Sharingan), Sound Based Genjutsu (like the ones used by Tayuya and Ma and Pa of Mount Myoboku), and normal genjutsu (like from Kurenai)
Passive Genjutsu is not fueled by chakra, and this is simply illusions to the 5 senses. These types of genjutsus though can be overcome easily with experience and logic.
it's kind of mis leading as it says not fueld by chakra on the passive ones, but i want to let you know genjutsu active or passive uses chakra
Mybe it was confusing to me but you understand right?
Mybe it was confusing to me but you understand right?
Okay,
so there are techniques in the cannon list i'm supposed to teach you and all that but all of them are illusions and such except for 1 technique. Which is the Kai technique, but before we get into "How to break genjutsu". We need to go over, "How you know you are under a genjutsu" If you don't know you do not know to break it. So let me ask you, if you were under a genjutsu, how do you know that you are in one?
so there are techniques in the cannon list i'm supposed to teach you and all that but all of them are illusions and such except for 1 technique. Which is the Kai technique, but before we get into "How to break genjutsu". We need to go over, "How you know you are under a genjutsu" If you don't know you do not know to break it. So let me ask you, if you were under a genjutsu, how do you know that you are in one?
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Well, there needs to be some logical reasoning to knowing you're in a genjutsu
For example, if it were that suddenly you're greatest fear came out of nowhere, it would be obvious that you are in a genjutsu due to the likelihood of it occurring being extremely slim. If there was a genjutsu that made plants rise from the ground to bind you, it would be weird if the opponent did not have Wood Style to control the plants, so it would imply it would be a genjutsu.
If you have a Sharingan, that would be simple to see you're own chakra network being disrupted, so you know when you are in a genjutsu as well.
For example, if it were that suddenly you're greatest fear came out of nowhere, it would be obvious that you are in a genjutsu due to the likelihood of it occurring being extremely slim. If there was a genjutsu that made plants rise from the ground to bind you, it would be weird if the opponent did not have Wood Style to control the plants, so it would imply it would be a genjutsu.
If you have a Sharingan, that would be simple to see you're own chakra network being disrupted, so you know when you are in a genjutsu as well.
Alright so you know the basics. Let me ask you this then.
In our rp, say you are battling me and I have the first move. I do something like growing plant like stuff to bind you. How do you know I don't have wood release or some kind of CE that makes this possible?
In our rp, say you are battling me and I have the first move. I do something like growing plant like stuff to bind you. How do you know I don't have wood release or some kind of CE that makes this possible?
I believe this information will benefit you the most during this training. I mean you get to learn techniques and such, but this information is the best i believe.
In order to break a genjutsu, you must know genjutsu.
lol okay, that was kinda weird.... anyways what i am trying to say is that every genjutsu is breakable. The way it is set up, even customs [barring old genjutsu customs and old sharingan genjutsu customs], every genjutsu is breakable, even the forbidden ones. Now you might ask is how.... well it's all logic based. RL and in Naruto, it really doesn't matter. Most genjutsu use something that is real and make it appear to the person in front of you. Binding, jutsu, whatever, so how do you know?
It's very simple. There are Key words to each genjutsu that makes it known that it is a genjutsu. It's usually very subtle but the hint of falacy exits through these key words. With the combination of key words and the genjutsu technique itself, you will know that it is a genjutsu. I am going to help you identify the key words of each cannon genjutsu, now you might ask, but it's not the real you that are breaking from a genjutsu and your character/bio needs to know that is genjutsu. It's simple, you use your own logic as if you are in the battle. That way you know and will know how the bio/character will know that it's genjutsu. However it could be a double edge sword, because if you deduce it wrong, you will most likely be in a bind during a battle, so the accuracy of your deduction is critical. So in order to teach you this, lets start with the first technique.
( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.
Read how this technique works and tell me what you think of the key words are here. While using the key words, tell me what is impossible it to happen in this situation to make it real.
From now on we will do techniques but the questions will remain the same. If you can identify the key words and tell me whats wrong with the logical part of this jutsu than you know what this jutsu is doing. Thus the boring "perform" this jutsu doesn't have to be done. Questions during these excersize is not a must. However, I like to keep it like a discussion type training so, ask questions when you have it. Even if it you think it's stupid, it's better to ask then not know for sure.
In order to break a genjutsu, you must know genjutsu.
lol okay, that was kinda weird.... anyways what i am trying to say is that every genjutsu is breakable. The way it is set up, even customs [barring old genjutsu customs and old sharingan genjutsu customs], every genjutsu is breakable, even the forbidden ones. Now you might ask is how.... well it's all logic based. RL and in Naruto, it really doesn't matter. Most genjutsu use something that is real and make it appear to the person in front of you. Binding, jutsu, whatever, so how do you know?
It's very simple. There are Key words to each genjutsu that makes it known that it is a genjutsu. It's usually very subtle but the hint of falacy exits through these key words. With the combination of key words and the genjutsu technique itself, you will know that it is a genjutsu. I am going to help you identify the key words of each cannon genjutsu, now you might ask, but it's not the real you that are breaking from a genjutsu and your character/bio needs to know that is genjutsu. It's simple, you use your own logic as if you are in the battle. That way you know and will know how the bio/character will know that it's genjutsu. However it could be a double edge sword, because if you deduce it wrong, you will most likely be in a bind during a battle, so the accuracy of your deduction is critical. So in order to teach you this, lets start with the first technique.
( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.
Read how this technique works and tell me what you think of the key words are here. While using the key words, tell me what is impossible it to happen in this situation to make it real.
From now on we will do techniques but the questions will remain the same. If you can identify the key words and tell me whats wrong with the logical part of this jutsu than you know what this jutsu is doing. Thus the boring "perform" this jutsu doesn't have to be done. Questions during these excersize is not a must. However, I like to keep it like a discussion type training so, ask questions when you have it. Even if it you think it's stupid, it's better to ask then not know for sure.
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Alright, I understand
So this technique is meant to manipulate the terrain, and the looks only change, not any other feature. Now the key words that pop out to me are manipulate and terrain and looks. So for one, terrain, using the latin origin, would imply only earth can be manipulated. Therefore, if there was a water nearby, no matter what happens, the water source will never move or be affected by the changes in the earth. If it were real, there would cause some sort of change by the shaking of the earth changing. Now if there was no water source, I would assume that if the terrain changes, I would not move an inch. Naturally, if the earth around me started to sink or rise, I would not fall or rise with it. In fact, any changes in the earth, I could probably pass through since it's simply the look and not the feel
So this technique is meant to manipulate the terrain, and the looks only change, not any other feature. Now the key words that pop out to me are manipulate and terrain and looks. So for one, terrain, using the latin origin, would imply only earth can be manipulated. Therefore, if there was a water nearby, no matter what happens, the water source will never move or be affected by the changes in the earth. If it were real, there would cause some sort of change by the shaking of the earth changing. Now if there was no water source, I would assume that if the terrain changes, I would not move an inch. Naturally, if the earth around me started to sink or rise, I would not fall or rise with it. In fact, any changes in the earth, I could probably pass through since it's simply the look and not the feel
I would say the word "Only" is the biggest key word here. What does the word "only" mean? Basically the technique restricts itself to do only whatever it says it can do. Now the logical part is a terrain/enviroment changing all of a sudden? No this can no happen. Imagine if there were a sink hole where you stand, however when you stood there, there was no sink hole? Like you said there were no shaking of the earth as to the terrain changing, however more so that you will still be standing on the sink hole and not being sunk. You would just see the empty space and make it look like you are walking/standing on air. Yea that won't happen, so you know logically it is a genjutsu. This is the logic part and the key word "Only" helps because if that wasn't there restricting the jutsu, you could possibly fall into the pit with the visual illusion. In order for this to happen, this jutsu would have to be more than a D rank illusion as that scenerio it's more things happening, thus more chakra usage for that technique.
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