[Gen] Training with omega5 [Genjutsu]

[McRazor]

Thats pretty painful. So what I did would be more for S rank jutsu. Glad I know now.

Yes, now let's start with the actual illusions. We'll start with the binding/paralysis techniques. As we already established, they prevent you from moving in real life, so chakra surges the best way to dispel them. What you do is simple; you gather a portion of chakra and you use it to alter the opponents chakra flow in a way that he will see your illusion.

( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: Similar to Illusion Technique: Tree Binding Death, where the user first disappears, while the target sees several bean vines growing from the ground. These vines bind the target body, lifting them into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal the user, ready to strike. In reality, the opponent is immobilized by the illusion, allowing the user to strike.

After casting the illusion, you make the opponent see you disappear and the vines grabbing his body and starting to lift him into the air. The moment he sees you vanish, he is immobilized in reality, because that is when the illusion took place. In reality, you're still in your previous position and you can move freely without the opponent noticing you while in the illusion.

( Magen: Hanarasui ) - Demonic Illusion: Flower Head Death
Rank: B
Type: Offensive/Supplementary
Range: Short- Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: 40 due to stress on the mind
Description: The user will trap the target within an illusion where the opponent appears to be trapped in a large flower bud which then explodes. The opponent is made to believe that an explosion actually occurred and collapses, believing himself to be injured. The resulting stress on his mind causes damage.

This one doesn't really immobilize the opponent but it causes damage because of the stress put on his mind. What I want you to do for these techniques is, come up with a reasonable solution to figure out that these are in fact genjutsu and not ninjutsu or other kind of techniques.

 

[Omega]

Yes, now let's start with the actual illusions. We'll start with the binding/paralysis techniques. As we already established, they prevent you from moving in real life, so chakra surges the best way to dispel them. What you do is simple; you gather a portion of chakra and you use it to alter the opponents chakra flow in a way that he will see your illusion.

( Genjutsu: Ingemame Ketsugō Sakkaku ) - Illusion Technique String Bean Binding Illusion
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: Similar to Illusion Technique: Tree Binding Death, where the user first disappears, while the target sees several bean vines growing from the ground. These vines bind the target body, lifting them into the air. Then a bean pod rises from the ground to reveal the user, ready to strike. In reality, the opponent is immobilized by the illusion, allowing the user to strike.

After casting the illusion, you make the opponent see you disappear and the vines grabbing his body and starting to lift him into the air. The moment he sees you vanish, he is immobilized in reality, because that is when the illusion took place. In reality, you're still in your previous position and you can move freely without the opponent noticing you while in the illusion.

( Magen: Hanarasui ) - Demonic Illusion: Flower Head Death
Rank: B
Type: Offensive/Supplementary
Range: Short- Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: 40 due to stress on the mind
Description: The user will trap the target within an illusion where the opponent appears to be trapped in a large flower bud which then explodes. The opponent is made to believe that an explosion actually occurred and collapses, believing himself to be injured. The resulting stress on his mind causes damage.

This one doesn't really immobilize the opponent but it causes damage because of the stress put on his mind. What I want you to do for these techniques is, come up with a reasonable solution to figure out that these are in fact genjutsu and not ninjutsu or other kind of techniques.

Well If I was using my Byakugan bio I could determine I was in a genjutsu by looking at my chakra flow. Once I see it was disrupted I could break out of it.

If I didn't have a dojutsu I would use a technique that did not require handseals since Im beign restricted. The technique would simply pass through or not effect the illusion at all leading me to believe it was a genjutsu. For example using my hidden needle jutsu to maybe pierce the vines. If the needles meet no resistance and the vines still remain it would be reasonable to assume I'm in a genjutsu. If im in the flower bud and I use a doton tech to pierce through and the same thing happens I could assume I'm in a genjutsu.

 

[McRazor]

Well If I was using my Byakugan bio I could determine I was in a genjutsu by looking at my chakra flow. Once I see it was disrupted I could break out of it.

If I didn't have a dojutsu I would use a technique that did not require handseals since Im beign restricted. The technique would simply pass through or not effect the illusion at all leading me to believe it was a genjutsu. For example using my hidden needle jutsu to maybe pierce the vines. If the needles meet no resistance and the vines still remain it would be reasonable to assume I'm in a genjutsu. If im in the flower bud and I use a doton tech to pierce through and the same thing happens I could assume I'm in a genjutsu.

Hm, alright. But think of it this way; I use the genjutsu just to give me a safe portion of time to set up my next attack. I would most likely use something that happens close to you to save time. Probably earthen spears or something along the lines. If you were to use a jutsu just to check if the vines were real, you would have wasted a move and get pierced by the spikes. Try to read the jutsu a few more times. Then incorporate what you already know about your opponent. Read his bio, his specialties etc. With genjutsu every little detail counts. If he, for example, doesn't have wood KG, you could use it as a way to explain how you deduce it's a genjutsu. Trust me, details are of importance. You can also set up for a possible genjutsu in your prior moves.

For example, in my sensei test, I was fighting Madara and I knew he'd try to use his sharingan. At first I didn't mention that I wasn't looking in his eyes, and once he posted his move and didn't activate it in the first turn, I insisted that I was looking into his eyes in order to notice that they're "normal". He caught me in a genjutsu and I reasoned out of it, and as soon as I did it, he activated his sharingan and placed me in another one. This time, the second genjutsu was far more difficult, but a very little detail made it work. When I dispelled the first one, I was his sharingan this time. This gave me reason to doubt that he used it, and that little difference saved my life.

With genjutsu you have to think outside of the box and always be on your guard because everyone can use genjutsu at any time, but people either don't like it at all or don't use it because they don't know how to use it effectively. If you ever fight a genjutsu master you will see what true terror is.

 

[Omega]

I was thinking that but I didnt know if that would be a valid answer...XD. There sure is alot to this genjutsu stuff.

 

[McRazor]

I was thinking that but I didnt know if that would be a valid answer...XD. There sure is alot to this genjutsu stuff.

( Magen: Jubaku Satsu ) - Demonic Illusion: Tree Binding Death
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user makes five handseals, and appears to dissolve into a mist. Once they stealthily approach the target and get within short-range, the opponent feels completely immobilized, and believes they have been bound by a fast-growing tree and are unable to move. The user then appears as if they emerge from the tree to attack the target. In reality, the target is immobilized, allowing the user to strike or interrogate them.

This technique was originally used by Kurenai. Not the most inventive one or unique. Has a very short range so bare in mind that it does take 5 hand seals and it does leave you a bit open for your enemies counter attack. Also, its more of a genjutsu to use when you need to camouflage your real intentions, like if you want to run towards the enemy and stab him. The thing is that the moment the illusion is triggered, you can do whatever you want that your opponent won't be able to see your real movements. He's be fooled by the illusion. So the main thing is to use a fast attack, like a simple kunai or even a chidori spear for example in the moment that your enemy is bound in the illusion.

( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction
Rank: B
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user puts the opponent into a genjutsu which has snakes appear beneath the opponent to constrict them and with the users command, they crush the opponent. In reality, the opponent is immobilized and takes damage due to the stress on his mind.

Description is fairly simple. The main use of this is to restrict your opponent from moving. You can also use this with a dropping lid or other techniques that come from above or even if you like with stone spears, impaling your enemy as he's bound. Its one of the most simple ones but also more useful ones. Also, unless you have done a summoning, your enemy won't know if the snakes are real or illusionary. However, if you have already done a summoning he'll clearly notice that the snakes can't be real and thus leave him open to release the technique.

 

[Omega]

Like you said before researching a persons bio could help with this jutsu. I realize that the user does not have a wood KG then there is no possible way they could have created that tree or come out of it. Another thing the hidden mist jutsu requires no handseals and they produce it out of their mouth or using water source. No water source no mist. This must be a type of genjutsu. I'd probably write it like this (As my opponent performed the five handseals I noticed he disappeared into a mist without creating it from himself or water source. There aren't any other ways to create a mist like this.) Then I bust out the genjutsu even before the tree part.

The second jutsu involves snakes. Well if they haven't signed a snake contract then they are either lying (LOL) or they are using a genjutsu. Plus if they do not perform the ritual or proper way to summon a creature then it would be easy to assume this was a genjutsu. (I start to become binded by the snakes however my opponent failed to summon his snakes prior to this which made no sense so I deduced it was a genjutsu..) Are these valid?

 

[McRazor]

Like you said before researching a persons bio could help with this jutsu. I realize that the user does not have a wood KG then there is no possible way they could have created that tree or come out of it. Another thing the hidden mist jutsu requires no handseals and they produce it out of their mouth or using water source. No water source no mist. This must be a type of genjutsu. I'd probably write it like this (As my opponent performed the five handseals I noticed he disappeared into a mist without creating it from himself or water source. There aren't any other ways to create a mist like this.) Then I bust out the genjutsu even before the tree part.

The second jutsu involves snakes. Well if they haven't signed a snake contract then they are either lying (LOL) or they are using a genjutsu. Plus if they do not perform the ritual or proper way to summon a creature then it would be easy to assume this was a genjutsu. (I start to become binded by the snakes however my opponent failed to summon his snakes prior to this which made no sense so I deduced it was a genjutsu..) Are these valid?

Once you acknowledge that he disappears into mist, the trees are there, holding you. You never know anything for sure. It's just an assumption that he doesn't have wood if he didn't use it so far. However, you would know for sure if he used any other KG, or it you have already fought the opponent and have a history with him, if you already know his abilities.

Until he uses a different summon other than snakes, unfortunately you can't know. But the ritual thing it true. However, there are snake techniques that don't require the ritual. They can be shot from your sleeves. Other than that, the idea is solid but both need a little bit of work. You're getting the grip though, that's good. Questions?

 

[Omega]

Not at the moment sensei that makes sense.

 

[McRazor]

Not at the moment sensei that makes sense.

Good then.

( Genjutsu: Hanaoka ) - Illusion Technique: Flower Hill
Rank: B
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user summons up illusionary purple flowers from the ground in front of them, damaging enemies with a chance to paralyze them.
Note: Paralysis lasts one turn.

This is more or less very similar/same as the previous techniques. It revolves around summoning plants/flowers from the ground that bind and damage the opponent and also paralyze him. The paralysis lats one turn but I'm not sure about the "chance". I don't think it's actually a value that determines whether your attack will or won't paralyze him. It's more dependent on your description and the way you present the flowers to grow, etc.

( Magen: Chō Shinka ) - Demonic Illusion: Butterfly Evolution
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary/Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: 60
Description: The user makes one handseal, placing the opponent in a genjutsu. The user then tosses a large number of explosive tags at the opponent. To the opponent, it looks as if they are countless butterflies. The opponent then believes they are sinking into the ground, in reality making them immobilized; this allows the user to place one final exploding tag on their forehead before detonating all the tags simultaneously.

One of the most used genjutsu until recently, mainly because it was the only mid range one. Its quite good to use in creative ways. You aren't limited to use it exactly how its described. For example, a Minato bio can scatter FTG kunais all around instead of explosive tags and then performing one of his signature combos. This one has potencial. Also since your opponent will feel he's sinking in the ground, he'll feel tempted to use lightning techniques, giving you a chance to actually use water to turn it against him. However, the technique is slow acting. Between the butterfly tornado that blinds him and the sinking, some time passes. In this misdt he might be able to figure its a gen and release it. Rei has the butterfly contract, so when she used this gen it was very hard to figure its a genjutsu logically.

 

[Omega]

(Just thought of a question. If I have a shadow clone active on the field and then I am put under a genjutsu, does the shadow clone fall under the genjutsu as well or is he free to move about?) Ugh these are a little difficult for me I’ll admit. If the user has already used a different KG then I know they can’t summon flowers or if they have shown me they don’t have mastery of the two elements that make up the wood KG then I know they can’t use the flowers to paralyze me.

If they use different animal contracts then try to use butterflies than I understand it is a genjutsu. I don’t see many other ways to figure it out. (Did Rei or anyone else have an attack with butterflies that did not require the summon ritual?)

 

[McRazor]

(Just thought of a question. If I have a shadow clone active on the field and then I am put under a genjutsu, does the shadow clone fall under the genjutsu as well or is he free to move about?) Ugh these are a little difficult for me I’ll admit. If the user has already used a different KG then I know they can’t summon flowers or if they have shown me they don’t have mastery of the two elements that make up the wood KG then I know they can’t use the flowers to paralyze me.

If they use different animal contracts then try to use butterflies than I understand it is a genjutsu. I don’t see many other ways to figure it out. (Did Rei or anyone else have an attack with butterflies that did not require the summon ritual?)

Once you create a clone, it's a separate entity that has nothing to do with you. It has its own chakra flow. If the genjutsu doesn't suggest that it can affect multiple opponents then only one of you will be affected. However, if you're placed under an illusion and then create a clone, he will have the same, disturbed, flow as you.

Ok, you used that trick already. Try to think about momentary stuff. About the very manifestation of the genjutsu. Check the ending of the fight in the video. I know it's hard, but what if you're against it in a tournament final? Are you going to give up just like that? Everything has its explanation. It's just up to you whether you find it or not.

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Not sure. I doubt anyone can have anything related to butterflies same as for dragons. Those are restricted contracts.

 

[Omega]

NEVER I WOULD WIN THAT TOURNAMENT NO MATTER THE COST.As the flowers paralyze me I realize the flowers do not have a scent. This is odd for brightly colored flowers to not have any kind of scent. Due to my paralysis shortly after the flowers appeared I believe deduce the flowers are responsible and are a genjutsu.

Since this genjutsu does not effect my hearing I'll use that sense to get out of the butterfly storm. Normally one could probably not hear butterlies fluttering. Butty as a storm of butterflies appear you would believe they would maintain some type of faint sound. (I believe they wouldnt make a sound if it was a genjutsu.)

Scenario 2(Incase im wrong on the sound and genjutsu thing): You said it takes a while for the genjutsu to form. Well the other way I would do this is blow a quick katon tech and as a realize the butterlies dont burn as I sink down I realize it is a genjutsu and break out of it. (Sorry for my lateness sensei)

 

[McRazor]

NEVER I WOULD WIN THAT TOURNAMENT NO MATTER THE COST.As the flowers paralyze me I realize the flowers do not have a scent. This is odd for brightly colored flowers to not have any kind of scent. Due to my paralysis shortly after the flowers appeared I believe deduce the flowers are responsible and are a genjutsu.

Since this genjutsu does not effect my hearing I'll use that sense to get out of the butterfly storm. Normally one could probably not hear butterlies fluttering. Butty as a storm of butterflies appear you would believe they would maintain some type of faint sound. (I believe they wouldnt make a sound if it was a genjutsu.)

Scenario 2(Incase im wrong on the sound and genjutsu thing): You said it takes a while for the genjutsu to form. Well the other way I would do this is blow a quick katon tech and as a realize the butterlies dont burn as I sink down I realize it is a genjutsu and break out of it. (Sorry for my lateness sensei)

Excellent. That's exactly what you have to do. Include your other senses. Match them with what you see and see which one is not aligning with what you see. If two or more senses are telling you something different from what you're seeing then it's definitely a genjutsu. However, if you can only rely on your sight and your hearing and they contradict then it's a 50-50 chance and you would need a few more details. Anyway, very good. You're making progress and I like to see that. ^^

 

[Omega]

Phew that’s good and it helps a lot. I’m trying my best notto disappoint. ^^LOL

 

[McRazor]

Phew that’s good and it helps a lot. I’m trying my best notto disappoint. ^^LOL

Very well. This concludes your first method. The next method is trickery or basically deception, where all you want to do is trick the opponent into believing something just to guy yourself enough time for another action. These illusions don't constrict the opponent. All they do is trick one or more of his senses. The most common are visual illusions where you make the opponent see something that doesn't exist in order to gain some sort of advantage over not only the opponent but also the battlefield. Most people don't realize how important the battlefield and your surroundings are. If you know how to utilize them well it's half job done. And if you can make it all through an illusion it adds even more flavor to your victory.

Now what can you tell me are the biggest disadvantage of these type of illusions?

 

[Omega]

One dissadvantage is that without restricting an opponent from moving the opponent can now break out of the genjutsu using the pain method more easily in case he did not have a proper jutsu to stop his kai or release a ful body surge of chakra.

The big dissadvatage is that they have to make something believable that seemingly pops up out of then air. Such as terrain. If the user changes the terrain the enemyies memory may be the biggest weapon of all. If he could remember certain land marks that just disappear/appear or are out of place without reason then it would be reasonable to determine if he was in a genjutsu.

 

[McRazor]

One dissadvantage is that without restricting an opponent from moving the opponent can now break out of the genjutsu using the pain method more easily in case he did not have a proper jutsu to stop his kai or release a ful body surge of chakra.

The big dissadvatage is that they have to make something believable that seemingly pops up out of then air. Such as terrain. If the user changes the terrain the enemyies memory may be the biggest weapon of all. If he could remember certain land marks that just disappear/appear or are out of place without reason then it would be reasonable to determine if he was in a genjutsu.

Exactly. Memory plays a big role here. However, sometimes these are completely ignored. If they don't really do anything to you other than tricking you, there's no real need to act immediately and you can proceed with a different action and then deal with the illusion later. However, when trying to be realistic you need all the facts you can come up with or otherwise it could be considered as godmodding. God modding is when you use out of character knowledge to deal with certain situations. Basically, details that are unable for your character to know but only to you because you have seen or read it somewhere else. Now, these also don't have to be "immediately pop out of nowhere" illusions. You can also have gradual illusions that appear over a period of time and that alter the battlefield. You can have a few explosions from clashes of your attacks and then have the ruble of rocks appear different than they really are and use those as a set up for your next attack. Basically I'm just throwing ideas but I hope you get the point. Now, any questions about the method before we continue?

 

[Omega]

Ah the gradual illusions sound useful. No questions sensei

 

[McRazor]

Ah the gradual illusions sound useful. No questions sensei

You can also use genjutsu layering to achieve the same effect. Gradual changes are less noticeable. Now let's see what the techniques are about.

( Magen: Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu ) - Demonic Illusion: False Surroundings Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra Cost: 10 (+5 if you use it double)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user casts an illusion over an area that allows him to manipulate the way an area looks to fool an opponent. He can only change the way the terrain looks, and not any other feature.

Ok, now this is the most basic technique. It allows you to change a feature of the battlefield, but only the battlefield and nothing else. This can be useful in environmental manipulation earth techniques. After a mist or smoke you can make something appear. You can do it just like that too, but the opponent will obviously notice it. A cool way to use it when you want to force the opponent to lose contact with the ground is creating earthen spikes that protrude from the ground. In reality he could jump from the surface into your trap, for example.

 

[Omega]

Breaking out of genjutsu: Okay the way I would break out of this ninjutsu would be for example if a mist was created I would notice that the air does not feel damp as it would when the mist would be created, as for smoke I wouldn't be able to take in the smell of smoke. If one altered the landscape drastically I would use memory to determine it was a genjutsu (only if it was obviously not a jutsu) If not so obvious I would listen for the sound and feel of Earth shifting. If I could not hear/feel these things then it I could determine it was a genjutsu.