Training with Horus [Water]
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Sorry forgot about the counters :dead:Counters maybe?I'm glad you like it. Maybe I can give you some "advanced tactics" with the mist.
Counters for the Water technique:
- This technique is very weak and an Earth style jutsu would be sufficient enough to counter it.
Counters for the Hiding in Mist Jutsu:
- The Hiding in Mist Jutsu can be countered by a Hyuuga member, because they can see through it.
- The members of the Aburame clan can use their insects to feed on the chakra used to create the mist, because the mist is made up of chakra.
- A wind style jutsu can be used to blow the mist away I believe.
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Excellent. Hyuuga and Aburame are not really counters, they can just rely on other senses to perceive stuff through the mist, which is basically an even bigger disadvantage for the user of the technique. We'll do the mist thing after the regular training, if I don't forget about it, lol.
(Suiton: SuikΕtoppa) β Water Release: Water Shark Breakthrough
Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: short
Chakra cost 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will create a water shark to jump into the air and bolt towards the opponent, striking them.
Note: Requires a water source.
Very simple technique. Using shape manipulation you alter an already created water source into a shark that jumps out of the source and attacks the opponent. You can only alter water sources that are in short range of you and the reach of the shark is also short range. There's really not much to it.
(Suiton: Suigandan) - Water Release: Water Fang Bullet
Rank: C
Range: Short
Type: Offense
Chakra Cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: A technique that deals physical damage to the enemy with a liquid mass brought forth from underwater. Its power to kill and maim is augmented by adding a spinning motion to the compactly pressured water. During fights on water, taking advantage of its characteristic ability to attack from anywhere in a 360 degrees radius, in conjunction with other techniques for distraction, confusion and so forth, this technique has an extensive array of applications.
Note: Requires a water source.
For this you need a large water source and hopefully that the opponent stands on it. Then using shape manipulation you bring forth a spinning water bullet that blasts the opponent. This gives you the advantage to attack from anywhere around the opponent, but it has a short range unfortunately.
Suiton: Kirigakure Shiryoku Hakudatsu) - Water Release: Hidden Mist Eye Sight Deprevation
Rank: C
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15(-3 each turn to keep it active)
Damage Points: N/A
Description: Using the hidden mist jutsu the user reflects the natural light an a way that it blinds there opponent temporarily as long as the opponent is in the mist.
Note: Must have already used hidden mist jutsu
Very short description asks for a very short explanation. After using the hidden mist jutsu, you use this one to reflect the light and blind the opponent. Like the mist itself isn't good enough. xD It still doesn't affect the byakugan, so it's nothing special to be honest.
Dont worry, i'll remind you xD
*I place my hands on the water's surface and I begin concentrating my chakra and mixing it with the water. Once both are incoroprated, I shape my chakra into a something looking like a shark. I manipulate it to make it look more like a shark. The shark jumps out of the water, makes a hungry face and then dives back into the water*
Counter:
*I walk over to the water source and I begin gathering my chakra and I release it into the water. I manipulate it into a spinning wate bullet and I aim it towards a nearby tree and I release it. It bores a hole on the tree*
Counters:
*I begin gathering a good amount of chakra and sending it to my lungs. Once I think I've gathered enough, I send it to my mouth and I release it into the atmosphere in the form of a thick chakra infused mist, which quickly covers the entire area. I begin to make small openings in the mist so that light can come through. I focus my chakra more so that the reflecting light makes the mist almost look like its glowing bright*
Counter:
*I place my hands on the water's surface and I begin concentrating my chakra and mixing it with the water. Once both are incoroprated, I shape my chakra into a something looking like a shark. I manipulate it to make it look more like a shark. The shark jumps out of the water, makes a hungry face and then dives back into the water*
Counter:
- A wall of earth would be sufficient enough to block this attack.
*I walk over to the water source and I begin gathering my chakra and I release it into the water. I manipulate it into a spinning wate bullet and I aim it towards a nearby tree and I release it. It bores a hole on the tree*
Counters:
- It can be avoided by going underground or underwater.
- A wall of water would be able to intercept the bullet
*I begin gathering a good amount of chakra and sending it to my lungs. Once I think I've gathered enough, I send it to my mouth and I release it into the atmosphere in the form of a thick chakra infused mist, which quickly covers the entire area. I begin to make small openings in the mist so that light can come through. I focus my chakra more so that the reflecting light makes the mist almost look like its glowing bright*
Counter:
- This can still be countered by blowing away the mist, because without the mist, the light wouldn't really do anything.
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Alright those are pretty basic. You can also make sure that you never let the opponent use these type of jutsu in the first place, by eliminating the water source as soon as possible. Or if you're standing on a water source then use it to your advantage.
(Suiton: Mizu No Tatsumaki) - Water Style: Water Tornado
Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Descripton: The user will wave the Ram β Horse β Bird hand seals and utilize water to create a spinning water vortex around the ninja. The water acts both as a barrier and attack mechanism. The power of the vortex is enough to knock an opponent unconscious.
Note: Can only be performed if there is a water source near by.
After the handseals you manipulate the nearby water to form a spinning vortex made of water around you. Due to the spinning motion it acts both as a defense and as an attack. The spinning is strong enough to knock out an opponent. It's very useful against small projectiles but the danger comes from below, if the opponent can create some spikes, for example.
(Suiton: Suishi no Jutsu) β Water Drowning Technique
Rank: C
Type: Offensive, supplementary
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: After waving the Boar β Dog β Horse β Tiger hand seals, the user will gather a large amount of water to form a large spiraling stream of water. It can be guided to strike a target in a number of angles.
Note: Requires a nearby water source.
Cool technique because, as one of the previous, it lets you attack the opponent from different angles. It forms like a spiraling stream but keep in mind that the angles apply for when the opponent is standing on a large water source like a lake or sea. If the water source is behind the opponent, you obviously won't be able to make the stream attack him from the front.
*I walk over to a water source and I perform the Ram β Horse β Bird hand seals and I start to focus my chakra into the water source. Once both are incorporated, I begin manipulating it into a spinning vortex which acts as a barrier as well as an attack*
Counters:
*I perform the Boar β Dog β Horse β Tiger hand seals and I start gathering and focusing my chakra into the water. Once both are incorporated, I begin manipulating the water to compress and sharpen the water. I use shape manipulation to make a spike*
Counter:
Counters:
- Eliminate the water source in the first place.
- Use a raiton style jutsu to electrocute my opponent.
*I perform the Boar β Dog β Horse β Tiger hand seals and I start gathering and focusing my chakra into the water. Once both are incorporated, I begin manipulating the water to compress and sharpen the water. I use shape manipulation to make a spike*
Counter:
- Eliminate the water source.
- One could probably perform the same jutsu so both of the jutsu's would cancel out each other as they would spin in different directions.
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Ok, but note that the vortex doesn't touch him. It's physically not in contact with him, which means that you can't actually electrocute him. You'd also need a stronger lightning jutsu to be able to pass through the vortex, otherwise it would just electrocute the water but as long as he doesn't touch it, he's good.
Good thinking. That's a concept I covered in the wind training with another student. Direction of rotation is very important because opposite directions cancel out.
Suiton: Daibakuryuu) - Water Release: Great Exploding Current
Rank: C
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage Points: 30
Description: User creates a whirlpool that sucks any opponent in range underwater.
Note: Must be performed on a water source
Again, this one has to be performed on a bigger water source. Once you got your opponent standing on one, you send your chakra through your feet into the water and manipulate it to create a whirlpool that will suck in the opponent.
(Suiton: Mizu Tsurudan) - Water Release: Water Tendril Bullets
Rank: C
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will manipulate one of their water clones to dissolve back to water and turn into four pointed projectiles that shoot at the target.
Note: Must create a water clone before hand.
I think we haven't done the clone technique yet so you can theoretically perform the technique. Say how you think it's performed. Basically you manipulate the water that the clone is made of into four projectiles. This is very good to catch the opponent of guard. If you manage to create a clone without the opponent knowing, you charge at him with the clone and then when you're close you change it into projectiles.
Oh I thought it touched him. Oh well.
Sorry for the late reply,I was busy doing some logo designing and moderation for a site..
*I walk over and stand on the water source. I begin concentrating my chakra and sending it through my feet into the water. Once both are incorporated, I begin manipulating my chakra to form a sort whirlpool that can suck in my opponent*
Counters:
This technique can be performed by making a clone and manipulating the water that the clone is made up of into four bullets. As you said, it can be used to catch your opponent off guard because you can send the clone towards your opponent(if he doesn't know that you created the clone) and when the clone is close to him, you can manipulate the water in the clone into 4 bullets that would damage the opponent.
Counters:
Sorry for the late reply,I was busy doing some logo designing and moderation for a site..
*I walk over and stand on the water source. I begin concentrating my chakra and sending it through my feet into the water. Once both are incorporated, I begin manipulating my chakra to form a sort whirlpool that can suck in my opponent*
Counters:
- Eliminate the water source.
- Move away from the water source.
- Use a great earth platform to hoist myself high above the whirlpool.
This technique can be performed by making a clone and manipulating the water that the clone is made up of into four bullets. As you said, it can be used to catch your opponent off guard because you can send the clone towards your opponent(if he doesn't know that you created the clone) and when the clone is close to him, you can manipulate the water in the clone into 4 bullets that would damage the opponent.
Counters:
- Make an earth wall to block the bullets.
- Destroy the clone before he reaches near you.
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It's all good, no need to apologize. Alright, I'll have to disagree with you this time. None of the counters would work because of the nature of the technique. It's performed when standing on a large water source, so you can't simply eliminate it. Because of that, there's no earth that you can manipulate around you, thus it being almost impossible to use, other than techniques performed from your own body. What you can do is move away form the epicenter of the whirlpool, but you're putting yourself in a disadvantageous position. How about going with the flow and surprising the opponent? As you can see, the technique doesn't have real power and it's not life threatening as long as you act quick. You could for example let the whirlpool swallow you and then blend in with the water and disappear as if you were killed. This way you could surprise the opponent from behind.
(Suiton: Mizugakure no jutsu) - Water Release Hidden Amongst Water Technique
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user will manipulate their chakra and then blend in with a water source to be undetected by the enemy for a short period of time. However Sensory Ninja and Doujutsu users can find the enemy easily within the water source.
Good. There's something I'd also like to point out. If the clone was cut in half with a wind technique for example, my personal belief is that you could still use the remains of the water to execute this attack. However, I'm not sure if everyone would agree with my opinion.
Oh I didn't think of it that way. I thought that as you're making a water source on an open field, then at the bottom of the water, it would have earth. Oh well, thanks for the explanation.
*I stand on the water source and I begin focusing my chakra around my body and into the water. I manipulate my chakra to blend into the water source, thus hiding myself from the enemy for a small amount of time.*
Counter:
Comment on your point: Now that I think of it, you're right. If this type of clone is sliced, I don't believe it will "poof" away, but it would just turn back into water, which you would be able to manipulate because your chakra is still there.
*I stand on the water source and I begin focusing my chakra around my body and into the water. I manipulate my chakra to blend into the water source, thus hiding myself from the enemy for a small amount of time.*
Counter:
- Seeing as my opponent will be in the water itself, why not use a large raiton attack to electrocute him. (This would be a problem for [highlight]non[/highlight]-Doujutsu and [highlight]non[/highlight]-sensory type ninjas because they wouldn't be able to sense him, but I think someone with a high level of intelligence would be able to figure out that the opponent would be hiding in the water if they haven't seen him)
- Move away from the water source ([highlight]If you know the opponent is hiding there[/highlight]) and wait at a safe place until the opponent comes up (because I believe he still has to eventually come up for air) and then attack him.
Comment on your point: Now that I think of it, you're right. If this type of clone is sliced, I don't believe it will "poof" away, but it would just turn back into water, which you would be able to manipulate because your chakra is still there.
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Lol, that technique was actually not related to the training. I just posted it to show which jutsu you could use in the previous situation. Nevermind, we'll have to do it once more when we get to it. xd
Oh lol, no. That would depend on the depth of the water and on the size of the whirlpool, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't encounter such a thing. Haven't you ever seen a whirlpool sucking someone into the water, in any other anime? I mean, it's very easy to depict and there's definitely no earth on the bottom. I mean, even if that happened, it would have to be so violent and quick to be able to split and leave the earth exposed and because of that you'd simply fall onto the ground. And now that you mentioned it, that's a sick custom idea! Make the water split so quick that the user falls onto the bottom and the close it up again, crushing him.
There's your first custom. Oh lol I thought so first, but I still performed it x_xLol, that technique was actually not related to the training. I just posted it to show which jutsu you could use in the previous situation. Nevermind, we'll have to do it once more when we get to it. xd
Oh lol, no. That would depend on the depth of the water and on the size of the whirlpool, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't encounter such a thing. Haven't you ever seen a whirlpool sucking someone into the water, in any other anime? I mean, it's very easy to depict and there's definitely no earth on the bottom. I mean, even if that happened, it would have to be so violent and quick to be able to split and leave the earth exposed and because of that you'd simply fall onto the ground. And now that you mentioned it, that's a sick custom idea! Make the water split so quick that the user falls onto the bottom and the close it up again, crushing him.
And oh I understand. Yay my first custom xD
Now how do I go about getting that approved? O___O
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Water Style: Power of Moses
Type: Offensive
Rank: A
Chakra: 30
Damage: 60
Description: To perform the technique, the user places his hands in a praying position while releasing his chakra into a large watersource. To make the technique work, the opponent needs to stand on the watersource, which means that it's best performed on lakes, rives, seas, etc. After infusing the watersource with his chakra, the user would forcefully split his hands and pull them away from each other, symbolizing the splitting of the water. Suddenly, the water beneath the opponent would split, leaving him suspended in the air for a moment. This would force him to fall onto the bottom of the water source after which the user would clap his hands together, once again, symbolizing the reunion of the separated water sections. The forceful joining of the water would crush the opponent beneath the amount of water. Depending on the size and depth of the watersource, the opponent would need different amounts of time to reach the bottom. The water can be joined prematurely but this way it loses on power. The full potential of the technique is achieved when the water is joined with the opponent at the bottom.
Note: Can be used twice per battle
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(Suiton: Suiryuudan no Jutsu) - Water Style: Water Dragon Bullet Technique
Rank: B-S-Rank
Type: Offense
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 20-40
Damage Points: 40-80
Description: After performing a long series of hand seals Ox β Monkey β Hare β Rat β Boar β Bird β Ox β Horse β Bird β Rat β Tiger β Dog β Tiger β Snake β Ox β Ram β Snake β Boar β Ram β Rat β Yang Water β Monkey β Bird β Dragon β Bird β Ox β Horse β Ram β Tiger β Snake β Rat β Monkey β Hare β Boar β Dragon β Ram β Rat β Ox β Monkey β Bird β Yang Water β Rat β Boar β Bird the user then shapes a large amount of water into a giant, powerful dragon, which hits the opponent with formidable might, dealing physical damage. The ideal place to use it is near a body of water, but if the user's skill allows it, it is possible to use it even in a place where there is none. The amount of water used will be in proportion with the user's skill as well as its power which can vary. Ninjas with a primary water specialty will be able to produce up to an S-Rank technique; ninjas with a secondary water specialty will be able to produce up to an A-Rank technique; normal water masters will produce the basic B-Rank technique. Tobirama was able to use this technique with a single hand seal showing testiment to his skill in water ninjutsu.
Note: Requires a water source to use.
Now that most of the water techniques has been limited to Kisame we aren't left with much.
As you can see, it has a very long sequence of handseals and that's because it was shown in the manga for the purpose of explaining Kakashi's sharingan tracking abilities. However, it has been slightly modified for our RP and depending on the expertise you posses with water, the strength also increases. If you have water as your first affinity like I do, you can perform the S rank variant with a single handseal which is really cool. *I walk over to the water source and I begin performing a long series of handseals: Ox β Monkey β Hare β Rat β Boar β Bird β Ox β Horse β Bird β Rat β Tiger β Dog β Tiger β Snake β Ox β Ram β Snake β Boar β Ram β Rat β Yang Water β Monkey β Bird β Dragon β Bird β Ox β Horse β Ram β Tiger β Snake β Rat β Monkey β Hare β Boar β Dragon β Ram β Rat β Ox β Monkey β Bird β Yang Water β Rat β Boar β.
After performing those haldseals, I begin shaping a very large amount of water into a very powerful, huge dragon.*
Counters:
Comment on jutsu: I don't like this technique because of its many amount of handseals, and I would never be able to perform it with a single handseal because my first affinity is not water
After performing those haldseals, I begin shaping a very large amount of water into a very powerful, huge dragon.*
Counters:
- Use a very very powerful earth wall or golem to block the force that the dragon hits you with. (Not sure about this)
- If your opponent does not have water as his first affinity, then a very good counter would be to avoid him from performing the technique in the first place, due to the fact that it has so many handseals (44 O_O), so it would be easy to make him not perform the techinque. This would be difficult if your opponent has water as their first affinity, as they would be able to use a more powerful variant with just one handseal.
Comment on jutsu: I don't like this technique because of its many amount of handseals, and I would never be able to perform it with a single handseal because my first affinity is not water
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I still haven't convinced you that water is the best element? Well, then I have failed this training already.*I walk over to the water source and I begin performing a long series of handseals: Ox β Monkey β Hare β Rat β Boar β Bird β Ox β Horse β Bird β Rat β Tiger β Dog β Tiger β Snake β Ox β Ram β Snake β Boar β Ram β Rat β Yang Water β Monkey β Bird β Dragon β Bird β Ox β Horse β Ram β Tiger β Snake β Rat β Monkey β Hare β Boar β Dragon β Ram β Rat β Ox β Monkey β Bird β Yang Water β Rat β Boar β.
After performing those haldseals, I begin shaping a very large amount of water into a very powerful, huge dragon.*
Counters:
- Use a very very powerful earth wall or golem to block the force that the dragon hits you with. (Not sure about this)
- If your opponent does not have water as his first affinity, then a very good counter would be to avoid him from performing the technique in the first place, due to the fact that it has so many handseals (44 O_O), so it would be easy to make him not perform the techinque. This would be difficult if your opponent has water as their first affinity, as they would be able to use a more powerful variant with just one handseal.
Comment on jutsu: I don't like this technique because of its many amount of handseals, and I would never be able to perform it with a single handseal because my first affinity is not water
Yeah, the biggest problem are the handseals which can obviously be intercepted and countered. However, when fighting against the actual technique you would be best off by using a water technique with similar power if you are fighting on water. In case you're fighting on ground but with the dragon being formed from a nearby water source then a wall would be good. However, why rely strictly on defense? If the dragon launches at you, stomp your foot and make giant pillars protrude from the ground and skewer and splatter the dragon all around the field. This also gives you the ability to simultaneously attack the opponent, which you should always be after.
Can you show me an earth jutsu that would be good enough against a user that has water as his second affinity?
Noo, you have convinced mee :T_T:
You have not failed U_U, in fact, I find your teaching to be the best
And okay, I understand. The Stomping your foot part reminds me of something Toph Beifong would do xD
And hmm, what about this (I'm not sure) :
(Doton: Iwa no GΕremu) β Earth Release: Stone Golem
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user expels a large creature composed of stone from his mouth. The rock golem has a fair amount of stamina and brute strength, being able to bite and tear off flesh with its mouth and hands respectively. If used from above the target then the user can use the earth golem to drop down onto the opponent like a bomb and crush them. The golem can also devour earth structures and other enemy attacks, biting and chewing on it.
You have not failed U_U, in fact, I find your teaching to be the best
And okay, I understand. The Stomping your foot part reminds me of something Toph Beifong would do xD
And hmm, what about this (I'm not sure) :
(Doton: Iwa no GΕremu) β Earth Release: Stone Golem
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user expels a large creature composed of stone from his mouth. The rock golem has a fair amount of stamina and brute strength, being able to bite and tear off flesh with its mouth and hands respectively. If used from above the target then the user can use the earth golem to drop down onto the opponent like a bomb and crush them. The golem can also devour earth structures and other enemy attacks, biting and chewing on it.
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Ok, let's break this down a bit. So as the water dragon technique says, if water is the second affinity then the dragon is A rank. To overpower a water technique of A rank, you need an earth technique of A rank, while B rank would be enough to cancel it. So, going by the idea I already said, this jutsu would be your best bet.Noo, you have convinced mee :T_T:
You have not failed U_U, in fact, I find your teaching to be the best
And okay, I understand. The Stomping your foot part reminds me of something Toph Beifong would do xD
And hmm, what about this (I'm not sure) :
(Doton: Iwa no GΕremu) β Earth Release: Stone Golem
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user expels a large creature composed of stone from his mouth. The rock golem has a fair amount of stamina and brute strength, being able to bite and tear off flesh with its mouth and hands respectively. If used from above the target then the user can use the earth golem to drop down onto the opponent like a bomb and crush them. The golem can also devour earth structures and other enemy attacks, biting and chewing on it.
( Doton: Dosekidake no Jutsu ) - Earth Release: Earth and Stone Bamboo Shoot Technique
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: 40
Description: The user of this technique condenses the soil and rock in the area to sprout out in the form of four large spikes which attack the target from four separate directions to make it harder to evade. However, it can be easilty avoided by escaping upwards.
What this technique gives you is four pillars that protrude form the ground. You control their position within mid range. This allows you to use 3 of those pillars against the dragon while you can use the 4th one to attack the opponent. The force at which the pillars rise from the ground would impale the flying dragon and scatter it around. Since escaping upwards is the best bet against the earth pillar, you can follow up with stormy blockage and there you go. You not only defended but also attacked and followed up by cornering your opponent. It's that easy.