Top 5 Hokages

[Noni]

tobirama ... Last...disagree my friend

 

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Hashirama
Minato
Tobirama
Hiruzen
Tsunade

 

[Tazzilla88]

Tsunade was the one who won the 2nd shinobi war.
IDK about the 3rd.

Tsunade brought victory in the third great war.
In the second great war Tobirama was killed
In the first Hashirama perished iirc.

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[Stark]

Hiruzen
Hashirama
Minato
and idgaf about Tsunade and Tobiramas order

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hiruzen
Hashirama
Minato
and idgaf about Tsunade and Tobiramas order

Placing Hiruzen to the top of the list? Lol.

 

[Transcendence]

Hashirama
Minato
Tobirama
Hiruzen
Tsunade

 

[Makoto]

Do you honestly believe he planned so far ahead?
Its no secret that most if not all Mangas progress as time goes on

It's no secret you plan the major and crucial parts of the story first and then just fill in the details. Kishi already has planned all the important and crucial details, while only filling in the less important details as the manga goes on. Hashirama is powerful, I admit, he's one of the most powerful in the series, but that doesn't mean he can't be beat, just like it doesn't mean that Hiruzen can't be beat if he's stronger than Hashirama. I also think that Hashirama would've wanted Hiruzen to be stronger than himself, otherwise he would be disappointed at training a Hokage weaker than himself (Hashirama) to protect the village he built. Additionally, Hashirama wasn't at all surprised that Hiruzen defeated him when the two fought and neither was Tobirama.

Think of it like this: fire beats wind, wind beats earth, earth beats lightning, lightning beats water, water beats fire. Now tell me, which one's the strongest one? None, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. If Naruto is proven to be like DBZ where there is only one single strongest character who can't be beaten, Rikudou Sennin is the exception because of having the Juubi, I'm quitting Naruto and I'll hate it for the rest of my life. The one thing that attracted me to Naruto the most is that there is no single strongest character, that the fights all depend on who's smarter, has more skill, has more experience, and can get the most out of his or her jutsu.

We can always disagree, but if you wish to have a discussion on Hiruzen vs Hashirama, I see no problem in defending my position that Hiruzen can defeat Hashirama.

 

[Owarij]

Do you honestly believe he planned so far ahead?
Its no secret that most if not all Mangas progress as time goes on

In an interview kishi pretty much said he had his entire story figured out but just changes a few minor things as he goes..what writer just completely starts a story and has no idea where they're going?
Kakashi's eye, Obito being tobi, he knew all of these things from the beginning, Zetsu , black and white was in P1 as well


Hashrama and Madara were already portrayed as having earth changing abilities, as their fight caused the rip in the earth now known as the valley of the end.. NO other ninja in p1 had a fight so big it caused such damage to the landscape..

So you say kishi didn't know what hashi would be capable of?

 

[Rainbow Dash]

I feel like Hiruzen's retcon is not his strength per se, but it was his title of strongest hokage. So he would still be up there.

Hashi
Hiruzen
Tobirama
Minato
Tsunade