Todays chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

Uchihas are obviously the strongest clan out there, I mean it only took one of them to annihilate the whole clan. lol

You do realize the Uzumaki clan was the first to go right being feared not only for their power seals etc. but because of what they could become? You know this....??right

 

[UchihaInza]

you dont get eternal mangekyo sharingan for losing a loved one you get regular mangekyo sharingan... you can only get ems if you take your brothers eyes willingly..or unwillingly xd

 

[UchihaInza]

STOP trolling:flaw: all you people do is read one thing an blow it out of proportion yes the Uchiha were emotionally unstable but they are not stronger than the Senju just because Tobirama said that their love is/was stronger thenceforth their drive. What you must take into consideration is that the Senju clan have the body of the Sixth Sage which make them physically stronger which allows them to be able to endure physical things while being more loving and inviting. The Uchiha have eyes which allow them to visually/emotionally perceive more and being able to see more will of course trigger your feeling while making them more spiritual and willing to reject feeling ex: Sasuke and Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura, Madara and Hashirama. Even though their clans have been at war since their genesis Hashirama was still willing to accept Madara while Madara, being hesitant, leading to his leaving the Leaf a village he co created in order to fight the enemy (who accepted you) to the death which verifies my point(s) Comment if you dare

why do you hate uchiha so much??i mean i love both senju and Uchiha but tobirama did say what he said and if it wasnt true to any extent then hashirama would have jumped in and said something..other words stop being so grumpy xd

 

[Vegeta]

You do realize the Uzumaki clan was the first to go right being feared not only for their power seals etc. but because of what they could become? You know this....??right

You must be registered for see images

been waiting for a chance to use that one lol

 

[xxSAGExx]

This was obvious to say the least, only Uchiha haters(Senju/Uzumaki fanatics) would disagree. This is constantly heavily implied throughout the manga and some people actually believe otherwise simply because Hashi>Madara, even with the odds in Hashi's favor(auto-healing and the ability to suppress the 9 tails with wood, wtf) Madara still lived and Hashi didn't, granted we don't know the details. Point is even if Hashi>Madara, which personally I don't believe for obvious reasons, I think Madara would have won without the involvement of the 9 tails. That doesn't make Senju>Uchiha, that is laughable at best, Senju may have been above average, but Uchiha were the Elites.

Senju
-Hashirama

Uchiha
-Madara
-Izuna
-Obito
-Itachi
-Sasuke
-Shisui
-Hell, even Uchiha fodders had hype.

Better to be a fanboy than blind.

no you're kind of blinded or did you forget it was Obito who told Sasuke that the Senju clan was the strongest clan? Obito was taught by Madara and knows information about the past so why would he make the Senju clan stronger than the Uchiha clanif it was a lie? Plus you make no sense at all, how in the heck would Madara have did better without Kurama? He obviously needed Kurama's power to attack Hashirama or he wouldn't have bothered looking for Kurama. Either way Hashirama took control over Kurama and his wife seled it away so it was like Madara never had Kurama from that point.

Fact is the Uchiha's believed that the only way to get the MS was to kill your friend or loved one (That's how Itachi told Sasuke). So this means the Uchihas would have to kill each other to gain the MS since they only had each other being that it's Senju vs Uchiha and not Senju vs uchiha and friends. after losing half if not more of their member, they will then have to take each other's eyes so the can keep their vision. This will only cause fear and mistrust within the Uchiha and they will eventually doom theirselves. Ex: If Shisui killed Itachi for his eyes then Sasuke will hate Shisui and basically do what he did in the manga to get revenge on Shisui. This will be the Chaos that will become of the Uchiha and that's what Tobirama truly feared.

And you might as well add Uzumaki to the Senju list since they are distant relatives and have the Sage's body so it's
Senju/Uzumaki
-Hashirama
-Tobirama
-Mito (Jinchuuriki)
-Kushina (Jinchuuiki)
-Naruto (Jinchuuriki)
-Nagato (a beast)
Tsunade (Healer)
-Karin (Healer

Either way the only Sasuke, Obito and Madara (edo) are around for the Uchihas. Naruto, Karin, Tsunade (most likely dying real soon), Hashirama (edo)and Tobirama (edo) are around for Senju/Uzumaki

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

nope..not at all

 

[Spirit Z]

Honestly guys? Really it seemed to me like Tobirama feared that the Uchiha were a threat to the village. It never shows that he personally cowers in fear face to face against the Uchiha. Tobirama was around before the village, he is an expert at fighting Uchiha as his clan has rivaled them since the beginning of time (or close to it!). I'm sure of all people to fear the Uchiha, the last ones would be Senju.. And Vice versa of course. That and the Senju ended up above the Uchiha.

And on that first point, the only thing this chapter 'confirmed' is that the Uchiha have a flaw; that they're destined to be enveloped with hatred. And YES, that is a flaw in an Anime where good triumphs evil. AKA, every anime to exist. Tbh, I feel like Kishi nerfed the hell out of the Uchiha last chapter. They used to seem full of potential, now they look so limited especially in the character development aspect. Sasuke, being a main character, will have to eventually have to move past the hatred emo-phase since I doubt they're killing him off. Either way he can't be the rebel badass his fanboys crave forever..

 

[Spirit Z]

Uchihas are obviously the strongest clan out there, I mean it only took one of them to annihilate the whole clan. lol

You do realize that statement contradicts itself, right? >.>

Besides, it's been done similarly a couple other times. Like Zabuza sneaking into the graduation exam without any training.. Not a 'clan', but same village.

Or Kimimaro's barbaric clan all dying, while he was far and beyond and killed all of their killers. Not killing the clan, but killing their killers by himself which is similar.

Or Kisame killing the 7 Swordsmen and to claim Samehada for himself.

It's not the same, but it would look redundant if it were. You all would compare him to Itachi and we all know how Itachi comparisons go. A lot of over hyping and genuine B.S. Granted he is a great ninja, one of the best for certain.

 

[BryanSk8]

Ehhh not necessarily. Uchihas are a great clan however the Senju are an ever greater clan. If the Senju however had a big of a clan as the Uchicha then that would be another story.

 

[AngryRock]

Tsukuyomi-If Kakashi can get out of Tsukuyomi than it is not as powerful as we've believed it to be
Susano'o-the abilities of Susano'o have differed with each Uchiha that have used it so the capabilities vary
Kotoamatsuki-only Shisui had this
Izanagi-makes reality what you want it to be (cost you an eye)
Inzanami-ultimate puts your opponent in a looping reality (negates izanagi)
Amaterasu-the only Uchiha shown to use this was Itachi (sasuke only has it because he has Itachi's eyes)
Kamui-only Obito and Kakashi have this

the abilities of the Uchiha aren't that great, when you forget to mention Madara's Perfect Susano'o and Itachi's genjutsu. And, even then thats only two Uchiha.

I am just saying what abilities we have seen through all users of the MS. All of the techniques are extremely powerful thus if more Uchiha had MS they would also have extremely powerful eye tech.

Also, Kakashi never got out of Tsukuyomi.

 

[The Alchemist]

Scared? No
Wary? Yes
I would be too if a clan possessed those eye techniques with most of the members being psychologically imbalanced and so would all of you if you had a brain in your heads U_U

 

[ntel]

Until Kishi says "Uchiha are stronger then Senju" then yes.#thread

 

[Sozaa]

I cannot agree with the statement that Tobirama was scared.

That Shinobi was a lot of things, but afraid? Not one of them.

 

[P A N D E]

at last someone spoke the truth.

 

[narutoblitz]

Kishimoto confirmed a few things with 619:

EMS Madara = Hashirama
EMS Madara >> Tobirama "impossible to deal with"
MS Sasuke > SM Naruto
EMS Sasuke > KCM Naruto

We already saw this, and as fans I think most people have always known in the back of their minds Naruto and Sasuke were in the same league. ***** Sasuke is the only one in Naruto's league, except Madara that blows everyone else away currently.

 

[neowisdom]

Nothing in this chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju, we already have a statement that says Senju > Uchiha tho.

Can you tell me where the statement that says Senju > Uchiha is in the manga? I can't remember.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I am just saying what abilities we have seen through all users of the MS. All of the techniques are extremely powerful thus if more Uchiha had MS they would also have extremely powerful eye tech.

Also, Kakashi never got out of Tsukuyomi.

But you're forget the fact that Itachi told Sasuke that he needed to kill his bestfriend/someone he cares for to get MS. At that time the Uchiha clan would have to kill each other to gain the MS and if this happened then fear and mistrust would spread among the Uchiha clan. Not only would their numbers drop by half if not more, the clan would fall apart. Their numbers would drop my more than half again when they all attack each other for each other eyes to get the EMS and save their vision. Don't for get their curse of hatred. Ex: If Shisui killed Itachi for his eyes or to get MS then Sasuke would be consumed y hatred like he was in the manga and would do anyhing to gain the power to kill Shisui. This is how it would be back in the Uchiha clan if they All went after the MS and EMS. They would become their own enemies.

Kishimoto confirmed a few things with 619:

EMS Madara = Hashirama
EMS Madara >> Tobirama "impossible to deal with"
MS Sasuke > SM Naruto
EMS Sasuke > KCM Naruto

We already saw this, and as fans I think most people have always known in the back of their minds Naruto and Sasuke were in the same league. This is true of everyone I know that watches this series except the retards on NarutoBase (yeah, you guys mad). Sasuke is the only one in Naruto's league, except Madara that blows everyone else away currently.

And where did you get that? Madara (EMS) needed to get Kurama before attacking Hashirama and still lost so how is he even to him? Madara (edo) even sad only Hashirama can defeat him, that means he's stronger not even or Madara could have said only Hashirama can fight on my level. You do know Tobirama created the Edo tensei and has S/T jutsu right? His water jutsu counters Madara's fire and What makes you think he isn't able to use edo on Izuna or Hashirama after both of their deaths? Both would give Madara a run for his money and defeat him working together since Hashirama is stronger than Madara. White Zetsu already stated Naruto (SM) was stronger than Sasuke (MS) after Pain arc. This was before Sasuke was skilled with his MS but then again Naruto fused with Ma and Pa toad is on another level too so Naruto is stronger (frog song beats Sasuke). Where do you get Sasuke EMS being stronger than Naruto KM? Naruto KM showed more power than Sasuke EMS has, Sasuke can't hit Naruto with his speed and Naruto an pull Sasuke from Sasunoo with chakra arms underground. Now if Naruto goes BM Mode then Sasuke is dead from what he shown so far, 1 tbb and Sasunoo breaks and Sasuke dies (Naruto's tbb> 5 bijuus tbb combine so no way Sasunoo is not breaking since Itachi took the shield with him).

Can you tell me where the statement that says Senju > Uchiha is in the manga? I can't remember.

It was when Obito told Sasuke about both clans after Itachi died. Obito stated the Senju clan was respected and feared as being the strongest clan. Obito was trained and taught by Madara so it's Madara saying the Senju's were strongest because there's no point in Obito saying the Senju were stronger. If he wanted to lie then he could have said the Uchiha clan was stronger and that's why they were sectioned off from the clan with no power but he didn't, we now know Tobirama sectioned them off in order to limit them. He didn't want the Uchihas to be given power if he seen them go wild whenever they lose someone close to them, that would make the village unstable.

 

[Sage mode Tobi]

NOWAY! Come on, what have you been reading? The Senju defeated the Uchiha in battle everytime they fought. Tobirama maybe feared Madara, but not their Clan. Come on dude, this is borderline trolling.

 

[Sage mode Tobi]

But you're forget the fact that Itachi told Sasuke that he needed to kill his bestfriend/someone he cares for to get MS. At that time the Uchiha clan would have to kill each other to gain the MS and if this happened then fear and mistrust would spread among the Uchiha clan. Not only would their numbers drop by half if not more, the clan would fall apart. Their numbers would drop my more than half again when they all attack each other for each other eyes to get the EMS and save their vision. Don't for get their curse of hatred. Ex: If Shisui killed Itachi for his eyes or to get MS then Sasuke would be consumed y hatred like he was in the manga and would do anyhing to gain the power to kill Shisui. This is how it would be back in the Uchiha clan if they All went after the MS and EMS. They would become their own enemies.



And where did you get that? Madara (EMS) needed to get Kurama before attacking Hashirama and still lost so how is he even to him? Madara (edo) even sad only Hashirama can defeat him, that means he's stronger not even or Madara could have said only Hashirama can fight on my level. You do know Tobirama created the Edo tensei and has S/T jutsu right? His water jutsu counters Madara's fire and What makes you think he isn't able to use edo on Izuna or Hashirama after both of their deaths? Both would give Madara a run for his money and defeat him working together since Hashirama is stronger than Madara. White Zetsu already stated Naruto (SM) was stronger than Sasuke (MS) after Pain arc. This was before Sasuke was skilled with his MS but then again Naruto fused with Ma and Pa toad is on another level too so Naruto is stronger (frog song beats Sasuke). Where do you get Sasuke EMS being stronger than Naruto KM? Naruto KM showed more power than Sasuke EMS has, Sasuke can't hit Naruto with his speed and Naruto an pull Sasuke from Sasunoo with chakra arms underground. Now if Naruto goes BM Mode then Sasuke is dead from what he shown so far, 1 tbb and Sasunoo breaks and Sasuke dies (Naruto's tbb> 5 bijuus tbb combine so no way Sasunoo is not breaking since Itachi took the shield with him).



It was when Obito told Sasuke about both clans after Itachi died. Obito stated the Senju clan was respected and feared as being the strongest clan. Obito was trained and taught by Madara so it's Madara saying the Senju's were strongest because there's no point in Obito saying the Senju were stronger. If he wanted to lie then he could have said the Uchiha clan was stronger and that's why they were sectioned off from the clan with no power but he didn't, we now know Tobirama sectioned them off in order to limit them. He didn't want the Uchihas to be given power if he seen them go wild whenever they lose someone close to them, that would make the village unstable.

I concur.

 

[bmillz012]

It's confirmed now that Madara was stronger than Tobirama so Tobirama was scared.

Todays chapter confirms that their love growing stronger enough so they can go along with Senju and eventually the reflection of their love turns into a great power that is beyond Senju's love.
Their hatred of loosing their comrade giving them the power of EMS.

That's why Tobirama is happy that Uchiha are annihilated now. U_U

^^yup pretty much i knew i picked the right side
UCHIHA FTW