Todays chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju

[piercethejen]

He didn't, he showed that he fear Uchiha.

can ya blame him? but Tobimara didn't exactly state he feared the Uchiha, but instead Madara.

 

[slaton02]

HA! NO Hashirama wiped the Uchiha leaders ass, so how can Uchiha's beat Senju if they already lost?

 

[MrSimple]

I'm having a hard time, understanding where Tobirama only cared for his clan. In the manga it is written and specified towards the village not the clan.

And about him fearing Madara, i doubt it would be fear of his power. He feared more rebellious Uchiha, which would turn against the village as Madara did. He knew their hatred carried power, boosting them considerably. He acknowledged Madara's power. Because he was and is powerful. But he has no control over his hatred, which would cause harm to anyone in his path.

Your assumptions are nothing else. You state it is proven but it is far from. Because Madara had considerably power, it's not equivalent to the entire clan being stronger. They simply revealed information of how the Sharingan works. Because at the time Madara alone was stronger than most, it do not imply the entire clan is stronger. As it would vice versa imply that Senju are stronger because Hashirama is stronger than him. As far from how many people acquired partly the power which Madara had, there has only been mentioned two in that era whom awakened Mangekyou. At later time you also have Shisui, Obito, Itachi and Sasuke. Implying that Uchiha are stronger is not possible at the present time. As far as we know, they were rival clans. Which means they both were at a level of competition. Before anything more specific is reveal. All threads implying that Uchiha is stronger. Is based on assumptions alone.

The fact is the only information we received from the chapter. Is how the Sharingan works, what fuels it, and the personalities of the two Senju brother's. Everything else is assumptions. So think through it once. Before jumping to conclusion.

Next time learn to read throughout the thread. It seems this is the the 100 time of saying it. Let's see how much could last longer. As the new members on the topic never read throughout. So What did you suggest me is what I'm suggesting you. "Before jump on conclusions read the entire thread first".

And I already explained why Hashirama makes the balance in this comparison. Read again.

 

[Earthisaac]

suggestion maybe change your title to madara> tobirama
cause there is nothing supporting uchiha> senju
sure tobirama is scared of madara. madara did kill his amazingly strong older brother.
but history has shown the uchiha maybe strong but the senju are always stronger

 

[shishomaru 21]

actually it just shows how selfish the uchihas really are, think about it, everybody in the shinobi world has lost sumone, thats the cycle of hate that pain was talking about, thats actually every villains back ground story from pain, kabuto, orochi, garaa at one point in time. but none of the other shinobi flipped out an wanted to change the world to fit their needs. ( well maybe Orochi) but the whole theme so far has been no-matter what you go thru you are not alone we as a village got your back. but the uchiha's whether it be madara, obito, or sasuke flipped the **** out when they lost someone, and even tho they had the rest of the village or clan in madara's case telling them dont worry it'll be alright, they wasn't tryin to hear it... it was all about what they wannted an how they could get even.. then only uchiha that didnt have that was obito, all he had was madara in his ear brain washing him, so he gets a pass, an that's also why i think obito is going to change course in the middle of this fight. but even dealing with madara, obito is being selfish in wanting his own way... just a thought

 

[Draphsin]

HA! NO Hashirama wiped the Uchiha leaders ass, so how can Uchiha's beat Senju if they already lost?

HA YES! How can you associate all the senju's power to that of hashi, its already stated that hashi is by far the strongest senju and not only that but he's just barely stronger than madara (they fought plenty of times before the VotE fight). So its safe to say that an MS/EMS madara would make short work of most senju. & Tobirama wouldnt have isolated the clan if they all didnt have the potential to reach madara's level of power or at least close, meaning that your average uchiha has more potential than your average senju

HA HA..! The manga only states that Uchiha and senju fought each other and there were competitors. It is never stated that Uchihas are more stronger than Senju. It was a stalemate. If Uchihas were that strong they would have never negotiated a truce with Seju's (that is the basic negotiating principle).

If your enemy is weaker than you; then there is no need for a negotiation. You can simply destroy them. This is the basic principle unless you are too good and Uchihas were never that kindhearted.

HA HA, maybe if you read my other posts you'd realize what i meant by that....the basic 3 tomoe sharingan uchiha clan were able to run stalemates with the senju clan. Meaning, that if a uchiha is able to awaken MS then they have the potential to reach madara's level...therefore meaning that the uchiha = more potential than the senju

its simple, name me 1 clan that would be able to stand up to an army of MS/EMS users?

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

HA YES! How can you associate all the senju's power to that of hashi, its already stated that hashi is by far the strongest senju and not only that but he's just barely stronger than madara (they fought plenty of times before the VotE fight). So its safe to say that an MS/EMS madara would make short work of most senju. & Tobirama wouldnt have isolated the clan if they all didnt have the potential to reach madara's level of power or at least close, meaning that your average uchiha has more potential than your average senju



HA HA, maybe if you read my other posts you'd realize what i meant by that....the basic 3 tomoe sharingan uchiha clan were able to run stalemates with the senju clan. Meaning, that if a uchiha is able to awaken MS then they have the potential to reach madara's level...therefore meaning that the uchiha = more potential than the senju

its simple, name me 1 clan that would be able to stand up to an army of MS/EMS users?

how pitiful your reasoning this way..
How many senju have you seen? One
what make you thing that if all senju gain their full abilities they won't be hashi's level?
Senju and uchiha is like A-A it not every uchiha that canawaken MS or EMS or it not all that are strong same with the senju lol...

 

[TonyJT]

It's not even "today's chapter" anymore.

 

[enditallsin]

hokage>uchiha nuff said

 

[Draphsin]

how pitiful your reasoning this way..
How many senju have you seen? One
what make you thing that if all senju gain their full abilities they won't be hashi's level?
Senju and uchiha is like A-A it not every uchiha that canawaken MS or EMS or it not all that are strong same with the senju lol...

lol look who's talking, this chapter just explained that ANY uchiha can awaken MS, its not just something only powerful uchiha can possess. Also if there were more powerful senju then where are they? clearly something must've happened if there's no more right? If kishi wanted to emphasize the power of the senju then he would've done so already

And if you read my earlier posts like everybody on this base fails to do for some reason, then you would realize that tobirama isolated the clan because he didnt want another madara to rise. If that was the case and it happened in the village then i doubt they would be ready for any kind of attack. Tobi was even more cautious and made the uchiha into a police force so they dont get power hungry but that was doomed to fail from the start

 

[shelke]

actually it just shows how selfish the uchihas really are, think about it, everybody in the shinobi world has lost sumone, thats the cycle of hate that pain was talking about, thats actually every villains back ground story from pain, kabuto, orochi, garaa at one point in time. but none of the other shinobi flipped out an wanted to change the world to fit their needs. ( well maybe Orochi) but the whole theme so far has been no-matter what you go thru you are not alone we as a village got your back. but the uchiha's whether it be madara, obito, or sasuke flipped the **** out when they lost someone, and even tho they had the rest of the village or clan in madara's case telling them dont worry it'll be alright, they wasn't tryin to hear it... it was all about what they wannted an how they could get even.. then only uchiha that didnt have that was obito, all he had was madara in his ear brain washing him, so he gets a pass, an that's also why i think obito is going to change course in the middle of this fight. but even dealing with madara, obito is being selfish in wanting his own way... just a thought

Gaara and flip out don't belong in the same sentence. He turned into a crazed serial killer, who slaughtered people just for sport.

 

[know it all]

It's confirmed now that Madara was stronger than Tobirama so Tobirama was scared.

Todays chapter confirms that their love growing stronger enough so they can go along with Senju and eventually the reflection of their love turns into a great power that is beyond Senju's love.
Their hatred of loosing their comrade giving them the power of EMS.
That's why Tobirama is happy that Uchiha are annihilated now. U_U

if the uchiha are stronger, why did hashi kick madara's lily white ass?

 

[girya]

HA YES! How can you associate all the senju's power to that of hashi, its already stated that hashi is by far the strongest senju and not only that but he's just barely stronger than madara (they fought plenty of times before the VotE fight). So its safe to say that an MS/EMS madara would make short work of most senju. & Tobirama wouldnt have isolated the clan if they all didnt have the potential to reach madara's level of power or at least close, meaning that your average uchiha has more potential than your average senju



HA HA, maybe if you read my other posts you'd realize what i meant by that....the basic 3 tomoe sharingan uchiha clan were able to run stalemates with the senju clan. Meaning, that if a uchiha is able to awaken MS then they have the potential to reach madara's level...therefore meaning that the uchiha = more potential than the senju

its simple, name me 1 clan that would be able to stand up to an army of MS/EMS users?

You are contradicting your own statements. On one hand you are arguing that don't uses "Hashi beat Madara" argument to justify that Senju > Uchiha; on the other hand you are asking me what if all Uchiha gain EMS. They cannot... and only few members can reach EMS level in case of Uchihas and few senju can reach "Hashi, Tobirama, Minato etc" level in Senju.

I dont know what makes you think that each Uchiha can reach EMS/MS or each uchiha will be ready to make that sacrifice to attain that power. For that to happen their closest person(which mostl likely be an uchiha) must die that reduces half of their population(and really would you like your closest person to die for power and given that u have such great feelings for that person). How many MS/EMS we have seen? Itachi, Sasuke, Shishui, Izuna, Madara, Obito. And yes Madara had atleast MS before the truce this is stated in Manga 398 page 18. Infact Obito as Tobi even states that Izuna gave away his eyes even before truce that made Madara mad abt the negotiation. So Uchiha had atleast one MS/EMS before making the truce.

The manga states that Uchiha and senju were in stalemate. You can use Tobirama's statement to make whatever conclusion you want. But what he states is that because of their physical condition, they were destined to be rebellious and uncooperating; that is why they were secluded from the main village and given a special job that he thought fits their nature. He was not afraid; he was averting a potential coup that would destroy the village and start another great war.

And yes, the one clan that can stand to uchihas is Senju and that is clearly mentioned in Manga.

 

[minato17]

not all uchiha just madara maybe...

 

[xxSAGExx]

That's the whole problem of Tobirama. His fear of another Madara. Resolving his own opinion about Uchiha and not what Hashirama was talking him in their age of living.
You cannot unite two of the most powerful clans out there and suppress one of them. It always turns this way- Uchiha are annihilated now for their resolving to retake the authority of Konoha.
It was already been stated that Uchiha were threatened like a dogs and for civil people it was hidden from them.
It's not like they were mind tortured over and over but it was clearly said that Tobirama made the Anbu. Uchiha were totally thrown away of the policy. This is not how you have to act against this kind of a pride clan.

Well you have to remember they were in a time of constant war and the Senjus and Uchihas were always hired by people who were enemies because only those clan could compete with each other. If two villages where fighting and one hired the Senju clan then the other would hire the Uchiha clan. So there most likely would have been deaths on both sides. But as Tobirama said, when they lose a love one then they get filled with hatred. Now The Senju clan must have seen this happened alot and see ho Madara turned out from it. Tobirama most likely gave them a position, (village police), that was to handle internal affairs. This is so they have less of a chance to be put in danger because if they lose someone they love then they will get a taste of that hatred that created Madara.

Also remember that hate can make thema great danger to even their comrades, there hate would drive them to gain more power in order to kill the one who hurt them. This mean they would kill their kinsmen to take their eyes to gain EMS. Look at Sasuke, he went crazy at Kage Summit to kill Danzo and attacked everyone to try and achieve that. He even used chidori sword on Karin just to get Danzo. Do you think this haven't happened before? Look at Obito, he did the same thing by killing anyone who gets in his way, using others. Madara left the village after Hashirama became the 1st Hokage then returned with Kurama to destroy the village regardless that his clan was in that village or not.

 

[MohamedSenju]

Too much love is harmful, Senju are the best because they didn't harm the village. Instead the built it look at Tombirama's record the dude built the Academy, Chunin Exams, Konoha Police. Yeah he had some problems espcially with the edo-tensei but he was beast.

 

[Draphsin]

You are contradicting your own statements. On one hand you are arguing that don't uses "Hashi beat Madara" argument to justify that Senju > Uchiha; on the other hand you are asking me what if all Uchiha gain EMS. They cannot... and only few members can reach EMS level in case of Uchihas and few senju can reach "Hashi, Tobirama, Minato etc" level in Senju.

I dont know what makes you think that each Uchiha can reach EMS/MS or each uchiha will be ready to make that sacrifice to attain that power. For that to happen their closest person(which mostl likely be an uchiha) must die that reduces half of their population(and really would you like your closest person to die for power and given that u have such great feelings for that person). How many MS/EMS we have seen? Itachi, Sasuke, Shishui, Izuna, Madara, Obito. And yes Madara had atleast MS before the truce this is stated in Manga 398 page 18. Infact Obito as Tobi even states that Izuna gave away his eyes even before truce that made Madara mad abt the negotiation. So Uchiha had atleast one MS/EMS before making the truce.

The manga states that Uchiha and senju were in stalemate. You can use Tobirama's statement to make whatever conclusion you want. But what he states is that because of their physical condition, they were destined to be rebellious and uncooperating; that is why they were secluded from the main village and given a special job that he thought fits their nature. He was not afraid; he was averting a potential coup that would destroy the village and start another great war.

And yes, the one clan that can stand to uchihas is Senju and that is clearly mentioned in Manga.

:sy: the manga explains that any uchiha can awaken MS, it doesnt take a special power (if your family member is murdered you unlock it) while on the other hand hashi had mokuton, a kekkei genkai that just so happens to heve to the power to supress a bijuu. Not all senjus can supress bijuu or tobirama would have that attribute too. The fact that every uchiha has the possibility to awaken MS no matter how young/old they are makes them potentially stronger than the senju.

 

[BloodSeed]

It's confirmed now that Madara was stronger than Tobirama so Tobirama was scared.

Todays chapter confirms that their love growing stronger enough so they can go along with Senju and eventually the reflection of their love turns into a great power that is beyond Senju's love.
Their hatred of loosing their comrade giving them the power of EMS.

That's why Tobirama is happy that Uchiha are annihilated now. U_U

look what happen to tobi his love for rim makes him unreasonable

 

[MohamedSenju]

So how did Kakashi awaken his Mangekyo Sharingan????????????

 

[Draphsin]

So how did Kakashi awaken his Mangekyo Sharingan????????????

his eye is connected with obito's