Tobi's identity could have easily been found out

[lanakau888]

And how many known edo tensei users are there? 2? 3? If someone from the joint could use it, they would be doing it right now.

There is one way the alliance could have known what he looked like which was pretty stupid: ask konan before she died, or search her mind for his face, considering he readily shows it to people as low-ranking in akatsuki as kisame.

 

[NarutoKage2]

And how many known edo tensei users are there? 2? 3? If someone from the joint could use it, they would be doing it right now.

There is one way the alliance could have known what he looked like which was pretty stupid: ask konan before she died, or search her mind for his face, considering he readily shows it to people as low-ranking in akatsuki as kisame.

False statement. The guards knew about minato's ftg, yet they were not using it. How many ppl thought Danzo knew izanagi before it was shown..? Techs and their knowledge are stored for the right occasion. And besides, i already said this is just a possibility did you even bother to read that ?

 

[MissShakra]

you know you have a point....NICE WAY TO DRAW IT OUT KISHI

 

[NarutoKage2]

you know you have a point....NICE WAY TO DRAW IT OUT KISHI

Thanks....now gimme plus reps/thanks lolz.

 

[grenwood]

kisame didnt see tobi, he saw the real madara, because in the flashback that madara had long hair and red armour, neither of which tobi has(the fact that madara knew nagato supports this theory). nice try though

 

[NarutoKage2]

kisame didnt see tobi, he saw the real madara, because in the flashback that madara had long hair and red armour, neither of which tobi has(the fact that madara knew nagato supports this theory). nice try though

Ah, but there's also this:

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He says Mizukage san, meaning back then it was also Tobi.

 

[ibsdyfs]

"PAIN is inevitable but SUFFERING is optional"

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[Rexoniel]

Ah, but there's also this:

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He says Mizukage san, meaning back then it was also Tobi.

Do you not find it at all strange the panel suddenly zooms into Kisame's eyeball? He's being placed under a genjutsu, listen to Naruto's catch phrase and believe it!

 

[NarutoKage2]

Do you not find it at all strange the panel suddenly zooms into Kisame's eyeball? He's being placed under a genjutsu, listen to Naruto's catch phrase and believe it!

Speculative, nah i think Kisame saw the real Tobi.

 

[grenwood]

Ah, but there's also this:

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He says Mizukage san, meaning back then it was also Tobi.

good point, i didnt remember that part, that makes me wonder if it was a splitting justu that madara used to bioth dioe and be tobi

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

Ah, but there's also this:

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He says Mizukage san, meaning back then it was also Tobi.

I have a tendency to read the OP and just that post and that's it. Thank god you caught the mistake of your ENTIRE THEORY xd

But honestly, yeah that really is the entire counter point to your theory and I was going to show that page. Kisame clearly thinks Tobi/Madara/Person controlling Yagura AKA 4th Mizukage was/is Madara. Not really much else to discuss on that point.

About the Edo-Tensei. I made a thread about this but I can't find it, it was awhile ago. Anyway my whole point was wondering why the Edo-Tensei/IWR was not used by the Allied Shinobi Army. It has to by only a couple of reasons and logical ones at that. 1: Honestly no self-respecting shinobi in any of these villages would grave-rob or steal DNA. MADARA HIMSELF even comments on the fact that it (Edo-Tensei) was known as a complete atrocity:
(Not to mention he obviously is upset/pissed that he was brought back in that fashion/with that technique because he thought he would be brought back probably with the Heavenly Life Technique).

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2: Adding on to the first point, since all of the 5 villages are in the Allied Shinobi Force, who are they going to Edo-Tensei? Their own relatives or someone from Konoha is going to use someone from Kirigakure's DNA and be allowed to get away with it? I don't think so. It would be like if Ao knew how to perform IWR/Edo-Tensei and brought back Kakashi's father, Sakumo (Who was a very, very powerful shinobi and said to be more powerful than the Sannin). Point: It would never ever be tolerated or allowed since they are all in a pact.

3: This one is the most complicated one but also the most important I personally think. Why it is complicated is because we have to realize a couple of things. Edo-Tensei/IWR is a KINJUTSU. It is not allowed to be used. Yes it was originally used and created by Tobirama AKA the 2nd Hokage, BUT (Here comes the next point of the theory) he had to have known something about the technique that I think Madara alludes to and here it is:

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Look at the first thing Edo-Madara says. That doesn't sound like something positive is coming for Kabuto or anyone who uses the Technique. I think Tobirama knew long-term use of this technique would cause a high-level of catastrophe and even if it doesn't, even USING Edo-Tensei would be counter-intuitive to having an Allied Shinobi Force. If someone brought Jirayai back, you better damn well believe Naruto is going to kill everyone from that village

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

And how many known edo tensei users are there? 2? 3? If someone from the joint could use it, they would be doing it right now.

There is one way the alliance could have known what he looked like which was pretty stupid: ask konan before she died, or search her mind for his face, considering he readily shows it to people as low-ranking in akatsuki as kisame.

Konan doesn't know who he is. I don't think anyone does. If Tobi could fool Itachi into believing he was/is Madara, then NO ONE KNOWS who Tobi is. Itachi is one of the smartest and most brilliant Shinobi in the Narutoverse. I don't even think Kabuto has any clue.

There is one major flaw I find with this. For one, they wouldn't know Kisame would know what Tobi really looks like because of that fact majority of the Akatsuki didn't get to see his face or even know him as the boss. And second, I think from the moment Tobi removed his mask he placed Kisame in a genjutsu to make him believe he was really the Mizukage. He acts suprised both times when Tobi removes his mask to him. That isn't normal. Plus viens appear around his eyes.

Also notice how Tobi tried to show his face to Sasuke even though Sasuke wouldn't have recognized him anyway. And then Itachi made it a point to make him automatically activate Amateratsu if he ever showed his sharingan to Sasuke, why? Because he would manipulate Sasuke with it like he did Kisame. Sounds strange I know since Sasuke went up against Itachi's tsukuyomi but there has to be something to it for Itachi to go the lengths he did to prevent Tobi from showing his eyes to Sasuke.

Very, very interesting and well thought out point. I never thought of it like that. One thing though, how would Itachi know Kisame thought Tobi was Madara and/or the whole event/dialogue that happens between Kisame and the person controlling the Yagura/4th Mizukage? When Tobi finally showed Kisame that they (Tobi and the person Kisame has the dialogue with) were the same person, Itachi was already dead.

 

[NarutoKage2]

I have a tendency to read the OP and just that post and that's it. Thank god you caught the mistake of your ENTIRE THEORY xd

But honestly, yeah that really is the entire counter point to your theory and I was going to show that page. Kisame clearly thinks Tobi/Madara/Person controlling Yagura AKA 4th Mizukage was/is Madara. Not really much else to discuss on that point.

About the Edo-Tensei. I made a thread about this but I can't find it, it was awhile ago. Anyway my whole point was wondering why the Edo-Tensei/IWR was not used by the Allied Shinobi Army. It has to by only a couple of reasons and logical ones at that. 1: Honestly no self-respecting shinobi in any of these villages would grave-rob or steal DNA. MADARA HIMSELF even comments on the fact that it (Edo-Tensei) was known as a complete atrocity:
(Not to mention he obviously is upset/pissed that he was brought back in that fashion/with that technique because he thought he would be brought back probably with the Heavenly Life Technique).

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2: Adding on to the first point, since all of the 5 villages are in the Allied Shinobi Force, who are they going to Edo-Tensei? Their own relatives or someone from Konoha is going to use someone from Kirigakure's DNA and be allowed to get away with it? I don't think so. It would be like if Ao knew how to perform IWR/Edo-Tensei and brought back Kakashi's father, Sakumo (Who was a very, very powerful shinobi and said to be more powerful than the Sannin). Point: It would never ever be tolerated or allowed since they are all in a pact.

3: This one is the most complicated one but also the most important I personally think. Why it is complicated is because we have to realize a couple of things. Edo-Tensei/IWR is a KINJUTSU. It is not allowed to be used. Yes it was originally used and created by Tobirama AKA the 2nd Hokage, BUT (Here comes the next point of the theory) he had to have known something about the technique that I think Madara alludes to and here it is:

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Look at the first thing Edo-Madara says. That doesn't sound like something positive is coming for Kabuto or anyone who uses the Technique. I think Tobirama knew long-term use of this technique would cause a high-level of catastrophe and even if it doesn't, even USING Edo-Tensei would be counter-intuitive to having an Allied Shinobi Force. If someone brought Jirayai back, you better damn well believe Naruto is going to kill everyone from that village

Lol whaaaatt??
Dude, its not what Kisame said, its what he saw.
The edo kisame would be forced to show(mind probing) what he saw, and that's Tobi w/o a mask.

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

Lol whaaaatt??
Dude, its not what Kisame said, its what he saw.
The edo kisame would be forced to show(mind probing) what he saw, and that's Tobi w/o a mask.

What didn't you understand? You posted that link and countered your original evidence in your OP. And dude it's what Kisame SAID after what he SAW in the MANGA (And also I don't think I wrote it out like he said it like this and never SAW anything, or vice versa as in Kisame saw that and didn't say a word because than what the hell would be the point in Edo-Tensed Kisame? None because he already says he believes its Madara). That is pretty obvious. Kisame SEES Tobi who he believes is Madara because of the original encounter which is obvious because when he SEES Tobi again he Says: Mizukage...I mean Madara.":

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So he obviously SAW and BELIEVES that the person controlling Yagura/4th Mizukage/Madara and Tobi are one in the same: Madara.

EDIT: And the points that I wrote were to show you why they wouldn't Edo-Tensei ANYONE let alone Kisame.

 

[NarutoKage2]

What didn't you understand? You posted that link and countered your original evidence in your OP. And dude it's what Kisame SAID after what he SAW in the MANGA. That is pretty obvious. Kisame SEES Tobi who he believes is Madara because of the original encounter which is obvious because when he SEES Tobi again he Says: Mizukage...I mean Madara."

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So he obviously SAW and BELIEVES that the person controlling Yagura/4th Mizukage/Madara and Tobi are one in the same: Madara.

EDIT: And the points that I wrote were to show you why they wouldn't Edo-Tensei ANYONE let alone Kisame.

I think i lost brain cells reading that.

Tsk, no thats not what it is. Don't make simple things sound complicated. Here, i'll explain it in plain words:
Kisame only called Tobi Madara because the 1st time Tobi took off his mask, that's what he called himself.

There's no evidence Kisame knew what the real Madara, who lived ages ago, looked like. Now he accepted what he was told, Tobi may have looked like Goku but since he chose to call himself Madara, thats wat kisame called him.
Got it?

And no shit its not gonna happen, i said Tobi' s identity can be revealed like this. Get your head outta your ass and read what i say before commenting cuz lets face it, you sound retarded.

 

[MinatoIsBestHokage]

I think i lost brain cells reading that.

Tsk, no thats not what it is. Don't make simple things sound complicated. Here, i'll explain it in plain words:
Kisame only called Tobi Madara because the 1st time Tobi took off his mask, that's what he called himself.

There's no evidence Kisame knew what the real Madara, who lived ages ago, looked like. Now he accepted what he was told, Tobi may have looked like Goku but since he chose to call himself Madara, thats wat kisame called him.
Got it?

And no shit its not gonna happen, i said Tobi' s identity can be revealed like this. Get your head outta your ass and read what i say before commenting cuz lets face it, you sound retarded.

Dude you are making complicated things hard and I can't even understand why I had to explain the "Saw" and "See" thing. Anyway let me just tell you why your theory won't happen. THEY AREN'T GOING TO USE EDO-TENSEI. You are using links in your OP that favor your theory. Just because Aoba (guy who interrogates Kisame) has an exclamation point over his head does not mean he now knows the identity to who Tobi is or was getting somewhere and your whole point and counter-post above shows/proves that.

If Kisame believes that Tobi is Madara because Tobi told him that or because he is actually Madara (the reason does not really matter), what would be the point in bringing Kisame back to life? IF HE BELIEVES TOBI IS MADARA as you said and it shows (like I said whether it was because Kisame believes it because he is told that or because it is what he saw, it does not matter) in that manga page, all bringing back Kisame (which is what you said should be done to find out Tobi's identity "easily") would do is him saying Tobi is Madara.

If you don't understand that than I really don't know what else to say. IF YOU GOT YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR OWN ASS, you would see YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF DIRECTLY. Make some damn sense in your theories. If Kisame always believed Tobi was Madara, what makes you think if the Allied Shinobi Force brought him back he would know differently now? Its common sense. He always believed Tobi=Madara until the end of his life.

EDIT: In case YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, I will make it very simple for you since you are probably a little kid using words like retarded and making fun of those that don't argue with your theories.

I will use what you wrote in your post above:

Kisame only called Tobi Madara because the 1st time Tobi took off his mask, that's what he called himself.

Yeah this is correct. BUT, he also sees him later when Tobi reveals himself to Kisame and Kisame recognizes him as who? MADARA! Like I already showed you:

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So Kisame called him MADARA AGAIN, so he believed Tobi was Madara and if they brought him back and said hey who is Tobi or we interrogated him more, guess who Kisame would think was Tobi? Yeah you guessed it. MADARA.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Dude you are making complicated things hard and I can't even understand why I had to explain the "Saw" and "See" thing. Anyway let me just tell you why your theory won't happen. THEY AREN'T GOING TO USE EDO-TENSEI. You are using links in your OP that favor your theory. Just because Aoba (guy who interrogates Kisame) has an exclamation point over his head does not mean he now knows the identity to who Tobi is or was getting somewhere and your whole point and counter-post above shows/proves that.

If Kisame believes that Tobi is Madara because Tobi told him that or because he is actually Madara (the reason does not really matter), what would be the point in bringing Kisame back to life? IF HE BELIEVES TOBI IS MADARA as you said and it shows (like I said whether it was because Kisame believes it because he is told that or because it is what he saw, it does not matter) in that manga page, all bringing back Kisame (which is what you said should be done to find out Tobi's identity "easily") would do is him saying Tobi is Madara.

If you don't understand that than I really don't know what else to say. IF YOU GOT YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR OWN ASS, you would see YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF DIRECTLY. Make some damn sense in your theories. If Kisame always believed Tobi was Madara, what makes you think if the Allied Shinobi Force brought him back he would know differently now? Its common sense. He always believed Tobi=Madara until the end of his life.

I love how this thread was pretty much dead and now you revive it. None of your points address what i'm saying, you certainly are slow.

Listen, try to comprehend this:

KISAME SAW THE FACE OF SOMEONE WHO CLAIMED HE WAS MADARA, KISAME DID'NT KNOW WHAT REAL MADARA LOOKED LIKE SO HE ACCEPTED HIM. BUT A MIND PROBE OF EDO KISAME WOULD ALLOW THE JOINT SHINOBI ARMY TO SEE TOBI'S FACE AS KISAME SAW AND SINCE THEY DO KNOW WHAT REAL MADARA LOOKS LIKE, THEY CAN TELL IF ITS HIM OR NOT.

Now do you get it?

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Sersly? The 2nd Hokage was a bad guy?

He did stop using it and label it a Kinjutsu...