Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

[Retsu]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

sir not trying to be rude, but this makes no sense whatsoever, kishimoto ALREADY STATED THAT TSUNADE AND HER TEAM WAS THE ULTIMATE TEAM, SO HOW DO YOU counteract my statement now?

Tsunade with her team...while Tobirama's strength has nothing to do with him being on a team, it's all but obvious while he may not be able to kill her, he can easily best her in combat.

 

[Moe22]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

Then someone can kill her when she's rendered useless. Stick a sword in her heart and leave it there and the heart won't be able to fully regenerate.

How does Tsunade's team have to do anything with her battle prowess. All your merely implying is that Tsunade hid behind her team mates. Nothing can be said about Tobirama vs Tsunade. We know next to nothing about Tobirama's Suiton or Jikukan skills. For all we could know, Tobirama could be capable of transporting Tsunade's body to another dimension. But i'd still say Tobirama was better. Tobirama was chosen because Hashirama and the ninja of Konoha acknowledged him to be powerful enough for the Hokage title. Tsunade was merely chosen out of necessity as Jiraiya declined, Kakashi was unmotivated & Danzo as Hokage would have been a disaster. Your telling me a former drunk, who used to travel the Elemental Nations, losing her clan's money in pitiful gambling & getting drunk of her ass because her brother and lover died is better than Tobirama who gave his live to protect his team from the Kinkaku Butai. Who are on par with the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist & The Twelve Guardian Ninja? I believe Tsunade redeemed herself, but Tobirama for me is better.

Sure the sword would eventually kill her, but the actual fire and bisection wouldn't. That was my point.
Also, Tsunade is also going to save her teammates (the kages) in exchange for her life.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

slow down there, tsunade is a SANNIN (very strong). but everyone has a limit (no such thing as living after loosing her head, not hidan).
tsunade won't even keep up with tobirama (lacks speed/jutsu and regeneration techs are not enough) plus that fight was a 5on1 (madara wasn't focused on one enemy and tobirama was a dude that lived in a time where shinobi's like madara existed yet he was considered very strong), tanking everything is not a good idea and in a 1on1 tobirama's water element ALONE can cause tsunade a LOT of trouble. the question is, how can tsunade get tobirama ??

 

[SubZeroMS]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

Sure the sword would eventually kill her, but the actual fire and bisection wouldn't. That was my point.
Also, Tsunade is also going to save her teammates (the kages) in exchange for her life.

While that is very admirable & heroic, it doesn't do anything for her battle prowess. If Naruto character strengths were measured by their heroics, and willingness to save people in exchange for their life then Naruto would be a God. Besides this proves Tsunade isn't immortal.

 

[zesto]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

slow down there, tsunade is a SANNIN (very strong). but everyone has a limit (no such thing as living after loosing her head, not hidan).
tsunade won't even keep up with tobirama (lacks speed/jutsu and regeneration techs are not enough) plus that fight was a 5on1 (madara wasn't focused on one enemy and tobirama was a dude that lived in a time where shinobi's like madara existed yet he was considered very strong), tanking everything is not a good idea and in a 1on1 tobirama's water element ALONE can cause tsunade a LOT of trouble.

are you even listening to yourself..... another slow speed issue after all that i have posted through my consecutive threads, what you do need to remember is that people with ocular jutsus can see fast attacks coming(Izuna, Madara, Itachi, Hinato Nagato Neji etc) but they cant react to it because they are slow so they ended up getting bliz (just for the record if you think that anyone of them is fast like A or Minato and possibly Tsunade since she's on par with A/EI)
the woman could keep up when A was about to bliz Naruto again, she used chackra scalpel, break susanoo and used it against madara in a blink of an eye thats even Madara including kages were astonished and couldn't record her speed at that time
dont forgot the main fact that she reacted to an upcoming attacked before A and elevated herself to tank it before he could evade it.

speed isn't her problem thats the main point she's a raiton user she can simply amplify her speed in combat

 

[zesto]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

While that is very admirable & heroic, it doesn't do anything for her battle prowess. If Naruto character strengths were measured by their heroics, and willingness to save people in exchange for their life then Naruto would be a God. Besides this proves Tsunade isn't immortal.

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Manga proves that when she used regeneration or has chackra she is truly immortal....... If byakugou was still active MAKUTON could'nt rip her in two so what you just said is flawed....

the last time we saw Tsunade/Kages before Madara knock them out............

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she had the opportunity to reactivate her technique but she didn't........

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

are you even listening to yourself..... another slow speed issue after all that i have posted through my consecutive threads, what you do need to remember is that people with ocular jutsus can see fast attacks coming(Izuna, Madara, Itachi, Hinato Nagato Neji etc) but they cant react to it because they are slow so they ended up getting bliz (just for the record if you think that anyone of them is fast like A or Minato and possibly Tsunade since she's on par with A/EI)
the woman could keep up when A was about to bliz Naruto again, she used chackra scalpel, break susanoo and used it against madara in a blink of an eye thats even Madara including kages were astonished and couldn't record her speed at that time
dont forgot the main fact that she reacted to an upcoming attacked before A and elevated herself to tank it before he could evade it.

speed isn't her problem thats the main point she's a raiton user she can simply amplify her speed in combat

i don't like your tone so i will tell you the same thing "are you even listening to yourself ??" tsunade is not on bar with A's speed and NO i didn't read your "consecutive thread" (don't even care after reading this one) "blink of an eye" lol. don't explain to me what she did against madara coz i did see that (5on1), don't try to point out something and leave the rest, i said she lacks speed/jutsu so getting close to madara being able to hit in close range was because of their numbers (5kages attacking/edo madara toying with them). in a 1on1 situation against tobirama (both focused on each other) she is done for, one was considered strong in a time where shinobi's like madara and hashirama existed and the other got beaten up against a little kabuto/crippled oro. now am not saying that tsunade is weak (i like the character), all am saying is everyone has a limit.
you are trying to tell me that tsunade = no offensive good jutsu (basically close range hot headed), can keep up with an s/t user with monster water style (not even considering edo tensei here) ?? i saw what she did in a 1on1 (kid kabuto) and honestly am not impressed .....

 

[Horus]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

I completely Agree with this Thread.
Nice work Zesto...
And for the People Arguing Against,Note that Zesto is Trying to Say Tsunade Defeats Tobirama Because He has Not SHOWN yet To be able to kill her

 

[S A G E]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

I'll wait for more chapters and comeback to this thread to show you that you were highly underestimating Tobirama just because you haven't seen the extent of his power.
I guess you can call that slap to the face!

 

[Moe22]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

While that is very admirable & heroic, it doesn't do anything for her battle prowess. If Naruto character strengths were measured by their heroics, and willingness to save people in exchange for their life then Naruto would be a God. Besides this proves Tsunade isn't immortal.

Well I just stated that because of your point about Tobirama saving his teammates. And woah, I never said she's immortal, I just said she is *while* using that technique.

 

[Joshutsu]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

are you even listening to yourself..... another slow speed issue after all that i have posted through my consecutive threads, what you do need to remember is that people with ocular jutsus can see fast attacks coming(Izuna, Madara, Itachi, Hinato Nagato Neji etc) but they cant react to it because they are slow so they ended up getting bliz (just for the record if you think that anyone of them is fast like A or Minato and possibly Tsunade since she's on par with A/EI)
the woman could keep up when A was about to bliz Naruto again, she used chackra scalpel, break susanoo and used it against madara in a blink of an eye thats even Madara including kages were astonished and couldn't record her speed at that time
dont forgot the main fact that she reacted to an upcoming attacked before A and elevated herself to tank it before he could evade it.

speed isn't her problem thats the main point she's a raiton user she can simply amplify her speed in combat

People often underestimate her speed? would they consider someoen like kakashi slow? I think she can move just as fast as most speedy ninja minus the super fast A, and ftg doesn't count as speed to me. Speed isnt everything A can't even keep his speed up throughout a battle plus his speed feats are more of a sudden jolt then anything.

If these people can be implying Tsunade has shows all her abilities, we don't know, as a medical ninja byakugou is perfect when she HAS to battle because she can live any unexpected attacks and not worry about dyign and leaving her teammates.

If don't underestimate the technique known as byakugou, it is so underrated. I think we have seen all of tobiramas techniques, being ftg, his sword skills and suiton. We just havent seen to what degree his suiton is capable, im pretty damn sure his suiton can't take her out that easily and even more sure for his sword.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

People often underestimate her speed? would they consider someoen like kakashi slow? I think she can move just as fast as most speedy ninja minus the super fast A, and ftg doesn't count as speed to me. Speed isnt everything A can't even keep his speed up throughout a battle plus his speed feats are more of a sudden jolt then anything.

If these people can be implying Tsunade has shows all her abilities, we don't know, as a medical ninja byakugou is perfect when she HAS to battle because she can live any unexpected attacks and not worry about dyign and leaving her teammates.

If don't underestimate the technique known as byakugou, it is so underrated. I think we have seen all of tobiramas techniques, being ftg, his sword skills and suiton. We just havent seen to what degree his suiton is capable, im pretty damn sure his suiton can't take her out that easily and even more sure for his sword.

lol but what can she do to him (s/t user) in a 1on1 ?? i like this thread and i agree speed is not everything but if you are going in a fight to just tank and regenerate (rush ahead trying to punch) then you are going no where (no real jutsu). she is not suited for 1on1 combat.

 

[SubZeroMS]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

are you even listening to yourself..... another slow speed issue after all that i have posted through my consecutive threads, what you do need to remember is that people with ocular jutsus can see fast attacks coming(Izuna, Madara, Itachi, Hinato Nagato Neji etc) but they cant react to it because they are slow so they ended up getting bliz (just for the record if you think that anyone of them is fast like A or Minato and possibly Tsunade since she's on par with A/EI)
the woman could keep up when A was about to bliz Naruto again, she used chackra scalpel, break susanoo and used it against madara in a blink of an eye thats even Madara including kages were astonished and couldn't record her speed at that time
dont forgot the main fact that she reacted to an upcoming attacked before A and elevated herself to tank it before he could evade it.

speed isn't her problem thats the main point she's a raiton user she can simply amplify her speed in combat

Basically since you said Tsunade's speed is on par with A's your pretty much saying her top speed is almost as fast as the FTG right? Besides if Tsunade runs out of chakra her Byakugou stops and she's pretty much one trick pony Tsunade again.

 

[zesto]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

Tsunade with her team...while Tobirama's strength has nothing to do with him being on a team, it's all but obvious while he may not be able to kill her, he can easily best her in combat.

not sure on the up take on that but anything is possible i wont underestimate him

 

[Joshutsu]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

lol but what can she do to him (s/t user) in a 1on1 ?? i like this thread and i agree speed is not everything but if you are going in a fight to just tank and regenerate (rush ahead trying to punch) then you are going no where (no real jutsu). she is not suited for 1on1 combat.

Well, his ftg does not appear to be like minatos yet in terms of how it is used, still him jumping around the place all the time he would have to come in to hit her unless hes using his suiton which he would probably realise is being ineffective and try to get her close up which would be a mistake.

Theres always katsuya as well

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

Well, his ftg does not appear to be like minatos yet in terms of how it is used, still him jumping around the place all the time he would have to come in to hit her unless hes using his suiton which he would probably realise is being ineffective and try to get her close up which would be a mistake.

Theres always katsuya as well

why should he ?? mid range attacks (water style, dragon bullet, water missiles)/ slice her up from time to time (s/t slash, total darkness), she regenerates from the heavy wounds then what ?? does she have unlimited chakra/ any actual good jutsu ?? ...... any teammates for distraction to get close ?? she couldn't catch a young kabuto for god's sake ...... i can't believe that you guys are actually putting tsunade in tobirama's league lol

 

[zesto]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

lol but what can she do to him (s/t user) in a 1on1 ?? i like this thread and i agree speed is not everything but if you are going in a fight to just tank and regenerate (rush ahead trying to punch) then you are going no where (no real jutsu). she is not suited for 1on1 combat.

Basically since you said Tsunade's speed is on par with A's your pretty much saying her top speed is almost as fast as the FTG right? Besides if Tsunade runs out of chakra her Byakugou stops and she's pretty much one trick pony Tsunade again.

she still can tank fatal wounds without dying as you can clearly see with the orochimaru fight and thee tree trunk thats on top of her, she still has rebith she can use her slug acid slime for long range offenses so i really wonder about that tricky pony statement you conjure up....... scalpel are difficult to make especially this long

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[Joshutsu]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

why should he ?? mid range attacks (water style, dragon bullet, water missiles)/ slice her up from time to time (s/t slash, total darkness), she regenerates from the heavy wounds then what ?? does she have unlimited chakra/ any actual good jutsu ?? ...... any teammates for distraction to get close ?? she couldn't catch a young kabuto for god's sake ...... i can't believe that you guys are actually putting tsunade in tobirama's league lol

She may not have unlimited chakara but neither does he (talking about non edo) i doubt he can keep up his onslaught of high end techniques. I forgot about bringer of darkness though she has genjutsu techniques to break bringer of darkness, idk. I doubt she doesnt have any range techniques though that would just be weird since Shizune knows range poison, but lets focus on what we know.

Also katsuya can divide itself, and get close to tobi use its ranged acid, water obv shouldn't be a problem for slugs either and she doubles for defence as well.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

she still can tank fatal wounds without dying as you can clearly see with the orochimaru fight and thee tree trunk thats on top of her, she still has rebith she can use her slug acid slime for long range offenses so i really wonder about that tricky pony statement you conjure up....... scalpel are difficult to make especially this long

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oh god .... i don't know where this is coming from or what are you trying to prove .... she is the best MEDIC period. when it comes to combat against really strong shinobi's (combat specialists) in a 1on1 fight she is not good enough. you talk about tobirama not showing feats to beat tsunade while we already saw what she can do in a 1on1, and she struggled against a young kabuto, crippled oro (regeneration/super strength are not enough), so just let it go.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Tobirama's Hiraishingiri<<<Tsunade; His water styles aren't strong enough

She may not have unlimited chakara but neither does he (talking about non edo) i doubt he can keep up his onslaught of high end techniques. I forgot about bringer of darkness though she has genjutsu techniques to break bringer of darkness, idk. I doubt she doesnt have any range techniques though that would just be weird since Shizune knows range poison, but lets focus on what we know.

Also katsuya can divide itself, and get close to tobi use its ranged acid, water obv shouldn't be a problem for slugs either and she doubles for defence as well.

both have large chakra pools but we are talking about someone who is gona be taking a lot of damage (might loose limbs) in the middle of a fight and she can do nothing to stop this from coming while the other keeps attacking. wounds, regenerate (if she had the time, she is alone here), wounds, regenerate, it's like shooting the target until it falls. tsunade's greatest feats are her medical abilities (she is a medic) not that good in combat. and about the total darkness ..... just NO, and the same goes for the ranged techs.