Tobirama's contradiction

[KingHashirama]

Idk if anyone else noticed.. but Tobirama just contadicted himself in this page:

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Like I have been saying ever since I made this account.. that Uchiha were LOYAL TO THE VILLAGE... There was no need for segregation or putting them to the side.

He said "to forsake their clan"... but how in the hell do you forsake your clan, when your basically forced to live on the outskirts of the village. How do you do that?

But here is the contradictory part : He said the posed a great threat and are a clan possessed by evil.. yet in the end they were the most loyal to the village. It was his actions that led to them being possessed by evil. He also stated that Hashirama was to naive, because he believe the village would break the segregation..BUT how can you call someone naive when in reality his plan was working........ People don't realize this, but it was due to Madara that Hashirama told Tobirama to not persecute the Uchiha. But he disobeyed the orders and which eventually led to the hatred in the hearts of some Uchiha , who started to dislike the government..




However even with all that said, Tobirama is still the SECOND GREATEST KAGE In NARUTO HISTORY.

 

[Invsblphntm]

What he was saying was.. he needed to keep the clan in check, but he knew the "good" Uchiha were the most loyal to the village.


That is all, don't try and twist his words.

 

[KingHashirama]

What he was saying was.. he needed to keep the clan in check, but he knew the "good" Uchiha were the most loyal to the village.


That is all, don't try and twist his words.

Apparently someone doesn't know what contradiction.

He said the Uchiha were a clan possessed by Evil.. and it was no wonder that the enemy was a Uchiha (sasuke).

And he stated all Uchiha.. not "good" Uchiha.. there were no "bad " Uchiha, besides Madara.

 

[Bogard]

If you mean by that he lied when he said he didn't hate Uchihas, then nope. I explained it here:

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Btw, nope he isn't the second greatest, he is the third after Minato U_U

 

[Invsblphntm]

Apparently someone doesn't know what contradiction.

He said the Uchiha were a clan possessed by Evil.. and it was no wonder that the enemy was a Uchiha (sasuke).

And he stated all Uchiha.. not "good" Uchiha.. there were no "bad " Uchiha, besides Madara.

A clan possessed by evil, and the ones that overcame that boundary (Itachi,Kagami,Shisui) were the most loyal to the village.


Again, you're trying to make it seem like Tobirama didn't know what he was talking about and you just were the only one to pick up on it.

 

[Insidious Smile]

It's clearly a bad translation . You can read Tobirama say ; '' Your brother Kagami Uchiha, and several others just like him ... '' . When was Kagami Sasuke's brother ?

 

[Retsu]

What he was saying was.. he needed to keep the clan in check, but he knew the "good" Uchiha were the most loyal to the village.


That is all, don't try and twist his words.

This is what I'm saying, ppl look too hard for manga mistakes just to post about them

 

[Crow Zero]

It's clearly a bad translation . You can read Tobirama say ; '' Your brother Kagami Uchiha, and several others just like him ... '' . When was Kagami Sasuke's brother ?

Your brother, kagami uchiha... there is comma there..

 

[KingHashirama]

If you mean by that he lied when he said he didn't hate Uchihas, then nope. I explained it here:

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Btw, nope he isn't the second greatest, he is the third after Minato U_U

Minato? The guy who only did 1 important thing ;x Okkkk =D

And no I said he contradicted himself on what he said and what he did. You simply don't put to the corner of a village a clan that was the most loyal. That was the Uchiha's sole drive for the coup.

A clan possessed by evil, and the ones that overcame that boundary (Itachi,Kagami,Shisui) were the most loyal to the village.

Again, you're trying to make it seem like Tobirama didn't know what he was talking about and you just were the only one to pick up on it.

And yet you say i'm twisting the words......

He stated "It just so happened the Uchiha always had a way of always attracting my attention, but their loyalty was second to none." He talked about the Uchiha clan as a whole.

And then he mentions Kagami and etc

And I said contradiction.. which is exactly what happened. You twisted his whole statement about the whole Uchiha clan into a statement that applies to only 3 or 4. lmao.

It clearly a bad translation . You can read Tobirama say ; '' Your brother Kagami Uchiha and several others just like him ... '' .

No.. he stated those were the ones that went above the "Clan".. lmao. He stated the Uchiha were the most loyal..

This is what I'm saying, ppl look too hard for manga mistakes just to post about them

How is that a mistake? lmao. Its called a contradictory statement made by a character not a mistake. Danzo did it when he died...."I am the Root who protects the leaf" or w.e he stated... yet he was responsible for it annihilation also.

 

[Shadowkiller56]

It's clearly a bad translation . You can read Tobirama say ; '' Your brother Kagami Uchiha, and several others just like him ... '' . When was Kagami Sasuke's brother ?

You missed a very important comma there. There is a comma after he says "Your brother ..."

 

[Sensational]

Bad translation

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[KingHashirama]

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Yours is a bad translation...

 

[Invsblphntm]

If I say "Wow Hashirama fanboys are such great people, but their idiocy is second to none. KingHashirama, and several others like him, were able to foresake their brains, and overcome great difficulty in doing that."


Am I talking about the Hashirama fanboys in whole and contradicting my self?

 

[KingHashirama]

If I say "Wow Hashirama fanboys are such great people, but their idiocy is second to none. KingHashirama, and several others like him, were able to foresake their brains, and overcome great difficulty in doing that."


Am I talking about the Hashirama fanboys in whole and contradicting my self?

1. If your gonna insult someone because you can't post a decent post to counter their point.. might as well leave.

2. Your statement doesn't even have the same meaning or the structure as Tobirama's. ...

3. Do you even know what the contradiction i'm talking about or are you just assuming stuff?

 

[Bogard]

Minato? The guy who only did 1 important thing ;x Okkkk =D

And no I said he contradicted himself on what he said and what he did. You simply don't put to the corner of a village a clan that was the most loyal. That was the Uchiha's sole drive for the coup.

It's thanks to Minato's sacrifice that the ninja world still exist right now

Concerning what Tobirama said, no he didn't say Uchihas were loyal to the village. He said that some of them were still loyal to the village, but that was probably a minority. There was still the danger that the majority of Uchihas could represent for the village if they ever turned evil. He said it's a cursed clan in general, but there were some exceptions like Kagami. It's all what he said

 

[Sensational]

Yours is a bad translation...

No it isn't.

Any who, what he was talking about when he said they were a evil clan was that there power comes from how much hate they have, a clan who's power comes from there hate can pose a threat to any and everyone as the more power they have that would mean the more blinded by hate they are.

 

[KingHashirama]

It's thanks to Minato's sacrifice that the ninja world still exist right now

Concerning what Tobirama said, no he didn't say Uchihas were loyal to the village. He said that some of them were still loyal to the village, but that was probably a minority. There was still the danger that the majority of Uchihas could represent for the village if they ever turned evil. He said it's a cursed clan in general, but there were some exceptions like Kagami. It's all what he said

It still would've existed without Minato's sacrifice ;].

No reread the statement he made, he stated, "It just so happened the Uchiha always had a way of attracting my attention.. But "THEIR" Loyalty was second to none."

He is specifically talking about the Uchiha clan... "Uchiha always had a way of attracting my attention"... ^_^.

But then he later goes on to say "Your brother, Kagami, and several others just like them made the decision to forsake their clan for the greater well being of the village".

That is what he said about Kagami and etc. Come on man....

No.. the danger they posed drives from Tobirama's decision.. YOU CANNOT PUT INTO A CORNER A CLAN THAT IS THE MOST LOYAL.... that is a sign for disaster... hence why Hashirama told Tobirama not to do so.

Aren't you in the Marines or the Navy or something? If so you should be able to understand this.

No it isn't.

Any who, what he was talking about when he said they were a evil clan was that there power comes from how much hate they have, a clan who's power comes from there hate can pose a threat to any and everyone as the more power they have that would mean the more blinded by hate they are.

Their power comes from rage. Same rage Tobirama showed when Hashirama said not to kill Madara. Same rage 3rd Hokage showed against Orochimaru. Same rage Naruto shows against Madara and etc. The coup was due to them being put the blame of the Kyuubi attack and also having to be put in a corner.... pretty sure they would've killed the village citizens if they wanted to attack the village mate.

 

[Bogard]

It still would've existed without Minato's sacrifice ;].

No reread the statement he made, he stated, "It just so happened the Uchiha always had a way of attracting my attention.. But "THEIR" Loyalty was second to none."

He is specifically talking about the Uchiha clan... "Uchiha always had a way of attracting my attention"... ^_^.

But then he later goes on to say "Your brother, Kagami, and several others just like them made the decision to forsake their clan for the greater well being of the village".

That is what he said about Kagami and etc. Come on man....

No.. the danger they posed drives from Tobirama's decision.. YOU CANNOT PUT INTO A CORNER A CLAN THAT IS THE MOST LOYAL.... that is a sign for disaster... hence why Hashirama told Tobirama not to do so.

Without Minato's decision to give the yang of Kyubi's chakra to Naruto, alliance shinobi would have lost this war already and everyone would have already been in infinite tsukuyomi

Concerning Tobirama's speech, hmm after reconsiderating it, you may be right. Are you sure it's not a mistranslation? :/

 

[KingHashirama]

Without Minato's decision to give the yang of Kyubi's chakra to Naruto, alliance shinobi would have lost this war already and everyone would have already been in infinite tsukuyomi

Concerning Tobirama's speech, hmm after reconsiderating it, you may be right. Are you sure it's not a mistranslation? :/

Without Tobirama's decision of sacrificing himself, we wouldn't have had Hiruzen as the third Hokage. Leading to a random ass third Hokage, in which Minato probably wouldn't have been the Hokage .

I don't think its a mistranslation. In both of the translations they Loyalty is put at a high level

 

[S A G E]

Uchihas were loyal but unpredictable.
Imagine when one of their love ones got killed during a mission. Family members might start blaming the village and start thinking that their family members death could have been avoided.
This ill feeling could lead to grudge or retaliation against the village.
Point is Uchihas are the most loyal to the village, but they are more loyal to their family members and or clan.