Tobirama vs SM Jiraiya

[Draegod]

Tobirama already has prior knowledge on SM from all the time he spent with his brother, he's very quick mentally and physically so the only thing in Jiraiya's arsenal which will catch Tobirama out is Gama Rinshou.
Result: Jiraiya high diff. (Unless Tobirama realises and manages to get out of it's range then I'd give it to Tobirama, again high-diff.)

Tobirama > Base Jiraiya because his fighting style is too slow.

Negative. Base Jman Is broken and well rounded when fighting. His clone techs are among the best with Naruto and will be more then enough to defeat Tobirama in base. SM isnt even needed tbh.

I like Jiraya, but he is never going to win it in base. Even in SM, it's debatable

SM Wins Low to mid at best. Base takes it Mid to high at best. Are you really overating Tobirama's FTG that much against JMAN?????

 

[WolfHaley]

The toad stomach technique can only be used in doors. :|

Counters to oil bullet please.

Thinking Jiraiya summons Bunta before the blitz. Lol

 

[Draegod]

The toad stomach technique can only be used in doors. :|



Thinking Jiraiya summons Bunta before the blitz. Lol

What Blitz? Please post a link!

 

[WolfHaley]

What Blitz? Please post a link!

Apperenlty the Mach 143 calc came from Madara, meaning via feats the first scaling were from him before all the tiers were hypersonic+ above Mach 40 due to FRS being scaled to that.

This is Madara's scaling....yeah the pictures are missing can't link the website ...(the mods infracted me previously since it counts as advertisement)

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That's the feat.

I think I know a way I can calculate this.

In fact I think I know two ways to calculate this, although one of them may be a little dubious..

First of all I need to do some scaling.

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Madara is 20.248px and 1.7m making the scale 0.08395890952m/px.

The Gem thing is 43.658px making it 3.67m.

With that scaling I can now scale the size of the BB.

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The Gem is 3.67m and 31.113px making the scale 0.11795712403m/px.

The BB is 75px making it 8.85m wide.

Now with that done I can proceed to the actual calc.

What I'm going to do is scale how big the gates are and then attempt to do this:

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Originally Posted by GGNK
Anyone going to answer ?

Edit : Well , I will try to do something anyway

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1/18*PI*Juubi's Torso

That means the juubi fell 0.17453292519 Of it's torso height (Whatever that might be)
So without further ado let's get to it.

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The BB is 61px and 8.85m making the scale 0.14508196721m/px.

The gate is 384px tall making it 55.71m tall.

The gate is also 189.23px making it 27.45m wide.

Now.

The gate falls it's full 90 degrees.

So we can sub in 1/4 in the place of 1/18 from what GGNK had before.

Therefore it falls:

1/4pi*55.71 = 43.75m

It would take 2.99 seconds to fall that distance.

Now we just need a distance for how far the BB fell.

This is where my two possibilities come in.

Firstly we could scale the distance we see at first for a massive lowball.

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Width of gate = 36.235px

Distance travelled = 683.17px

D/Gate = 18.8538705671

Gate = 27.45m

D = 517.54m

Speed = 173.1 m/s

But yeah that's retarded.

Instead we'll scale how far away the BB is at the end of the time frame.

The Bijuudama in this case is 17404.2m wide

The BB is 60px and the panel is 703px

2*atan(60/(703/tan(70/2))) = 6.84 Degrees.

Anglesizing we get a distance of 145.61km.

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Originally Posted by Flutter
so I hear ol Dartg needed some help with projectile motionz here

lets see :

she got the distance = 145.61 km


now we need height :

gate height from here (

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) is at least 83.33 meters tall

BB initial height can then be scaled from the gates
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^ I think we can scale altitude here correctly since we're looking at both objects directly from the side

237/450*83.33 = 43.88 m

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input ~48700 m/s to get a 145.66 km distance

48700 m/s = Mach 143

Via this scaling see how sm hashi could keep and severely blitz him on occasions should put him at mach 143+ and all the high tiers who have done/shown superior feats speed feats get that scaling...some of the mid tiers don't get the movement speed overall, but do get Mach 143 reactions...like pain and others etc And characters keeping pace with hashi's shunshin minato, Tobirama, even hiruzan (don't be surprised) got the Mach 143 scaling for keeping pace with hashi.

Jiraiya is not capable of reacting to a shushin from Hashirama, Tobirama, or Hiruzen for that matter.

 

[NarutoIndra]

The toad stomach technique can only be used in doors. :|



Thinking Jiraiya summons Bunta before the blitz. Lol

When was this stated? Last I checked he was summoning a toads oeso****us around them despite it being indoors or outdoors. No blitz occurring as long as Jiraiya can use Doton: Yomi Numa or Toad Stomach's summoning.

 

[WolfHaley]

When was this stated? Last I checked he was summoning a toads oeso****us around them despite it being indoors or outdoors. No blitz occurring as long as Jiraiya can use Doton: Yomi Numa or Toad Stomach's summoning.

No. The *eso****us has to morph onto something as it did in the manga. It does not just appear whenever. Jiraiya cannot react to the blitz period. He has no sensory abilities or Sharingan precog to keep up with Tobirama in base. In SM, he wins.

 

[NarutoIndra]

No. The *eso****us has to morph onto something as it did in the manga. It does not just appear whenever. Jiraiya cannot react to the blitz period. He has no sensory abilities or Sharingan precog to keep up with Tobirama in base. In SM, he wins.

Are you sure it only works within a building? I don't recall.. Anyways, show me feats of Tobirama's shunshin. I know in SM he wins, I am trying to figure out whether he wins in base.

 

[WolfHaley]

Are you sure it only works within a building? I don't recall.. Anyways, show me feats of Tobirama's shunshin. I know in SM he wins, I am trying to figure out whether he wins in base.

It only works if the stomach can morph onto a hallway of sorts. Read the manga. Read post #24 for Tobirama's speed. Hiruzen blitz's base Jiraiya, as well as Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[Draegod]

Jiraiya is not capable of reacting to a shushin from Hashirama, Tobirama, or Hiruzen for that matter.

You literally proved nothing. Like literally. You just wasted my time... **Now i'm pissed!**

 

[EternalFlame]

SM Jiraiya takes this a comfortable Mid-Diff

 

[NarutoIndra]

It only works if the stomach can morph onto a hallway of sorts. Read the manga. Read post #24 for Tobirama's speed. Hiruzen blitz's base Jiraiya, as well as Hashirama and Tobirama.

That doesn't tell me anything. hiruzen has no speed feat that is impressive. Hashirama has barely any speed feats, none of which won't allow Jiraiya to react, and all Tobirama has is extremely short spurts of quick movement, which aren't comparable to that of high speed high distance movement.

 

[WolfHaley]

That doesn't tell me anything. hiruzen has no speed feat that is impressive. Hashirama has barely any speed feats, none of which won't allow Jiraiya to react, and all Tobirama has is extremely short spurts of quick movement, which aren't comparable to that of high speed high distance movement.

Hiruzen kept up with Hashirama and Tobirama's shushin, which is a great feat. No wonder you are pretty slow. Hashirama kept up with Madara, who is scaled to be Mach 143. Quit trying to debate when you cannot comprehend anything. Lol

You literally proved nothing. Like literally. You just wasted my time... **Now i'm pissed!**

Jiraiya cannot react to Mach 143 when Orochimaru blitz'd him.

 

[Draegod]

Hiruzen kept up with Hashirama and Tobirama's shushin, which is a great feat. No wonder you are pretty slow. Hashirama kept up with Madara, who is scaled to be Mach 143. Quit trying to debate when you cannot comprehend anything. Lol



Jiraiya cannot react to Mach 143 when Orochimaru blitz'd him.

Ima ask you one more time to post Manga or databook Links before I stop being "nice"....

 

[NarutoIndra]

Hiruzen kept up with Hashirama and Tobirama's shushin, which is a great feat. No wonder you are pretty slow. Hashirama kept up with Madara, who is scaled to be Mach 143. Quit trying to debate when you cannot comprehend anything. Lol



Jiraiya cannot react to Mach 143 when Orochimaru blitz'd him.

OBD stats don't concern me. They do not count as fact or viable in a debate on NB unless it is comparing destruction against endurance. Apart from that it is only viable on OBD. Anyways, I would still like to see the calculations of how he was scaled as 143 Mach.

Are you saying old Hiruzen is also 143 Mach? Implying that Orochimaru was capable of keeping up with him in their fight? Lol.. Not that I have pointed out your terrible comprehension skills in other threads.. Your argument does't hold.

 

[WolfHaley]

OBD stats don't concern me. They do not count as fact or viable in a debate on NB unless it is comparing destruction against endurance. Apart from that it is only viable on OBD. Anyways, I would still like to see the calculations of how he was scaled as 143 Mach.

Are you saying old Hiruzen is also 143 Mach? Implying that Orochimaru was capable of keeping up with him in their fight? Lol.. Not that I have pointed out your terrible comprehension skills in other threads.. Your argument does't hold.

Old Hiruzen is 143 Mach when using shunshin. He is not 143 Mach just running around. Do you know what shunshin is? It is not base speed, it is chakra enhanced sprinting. Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

Ima ask you one more time to post Manga or databook Links before I stop being "nice"....

Why post links when you know Orochimaru blitz'd Jiraiya? I showed you the scan and the mathematics, so that should be sufficient unless you can rebuttal.

 

[Draegod]

Old Hiruzen is 143 Mach when using shunshin. He is not 143 Mach just running around. Do you know what shunshin is? It is not base speed, it is chakra enhanced sprinting. Your lack of comprehension is astounding.



Why post links when you know Orochimaru blitz'd Jiraiya? I showed you the scan and the mathematics, so that should be sufficient unless you can rebuttal.

The match matics made no sense and was inconsistant (that is why he kept editing it). And most the links in the quote you posted were not availible. So at the very least, post manga scans to back your statements up, or let it go.

 

[Dave Stevenson]

Tobirama wins jiraiya is weak.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Old Hiruzen is 143 Mach when using shunshin. He is not 143 Mach just running around. Do you know what shunshin is? It is not base speed, it is chakra enhanced sprinting. Your lack of comprehension is astounding.



Why post links when you know Orochimaru blitz'd Jiraiya? I showed you the scan and the mathematics, so that should be sufficient unless you can rebuttal.

I aksed for proof, I couldn't give a shit about Hiruzen's rating to be honest or what he has done. You simply always change the topic so you don't have to supply information. Post a link of Hashirama's shunshin mach 143 calculations or gtfo. My lack of comprehension? Are you saying this because you got butthurt the last time I told you this? Ah I can tell you are, that's why you neg repped me with your one rep power.