Tobirama vs Sasuke

[TheAncientCenturion]

Feat whores. Try using something called power scaling, then adding hype into that, as well as portrayal....then you come up with my answer.

So, you're essentially King Hashirama's replacement since he left?

 

[Penguin]

Not sure how you got Madara was only above him because of PS from this scan. Their skill level being similar doesn't automatically mean PS was the only reason why he was above him.

From what we have seen, I doubt a regular Susano'o will cut it. The Gokage dispatched of them, and in my opinion Tobirama/Minato/Hiruzen is above their level. What else puts Madara above Tobirama bar PS?

So, you're essentially King Hashirama's replacement since he left?

What made you come to that conclusion? If Orochimaru were fighting an Uchiha, would he use the same tactics and jutsu against an Akamichi or Nara? Given the small amount of feats, one should use hype and portrayal. With feats, one could make an argument that Neji pushes Tsunade to high difficulty or even beats her. But common sense and portrayal let you know she merks him.

 

[Conspirator.]

So, you're essentially King Hashirama's replacement since he left?

LOL! Why did KH leave anyway?

 

[LordDarui]

Current sasuke neg diff

 

[A v i]

So you think character statements have absolute value?

Who said that it has absolute value? I said Lawd Tobi is on the same level as Mads coz he was confident about taking on Mads.If I took it literally then I would have said that Tobi > Mads coz he said he would defeat him.He wasn't cluelessly making such a comment about EMS Madara to say that it holds no value. when someone of Tobirama's intellect says that he can take on someone even after knowing what his enemy is capable of then it means that he is on the same level.Penguins post further proves this point as even Madara was implying that the gap in their skill wasn't that big back then/b4 power ups.

According to manga portrayal Tobirama isn't as hopeless as we have been implying against an EMS user.

 

[ARGUS]

Sasuke surpassed both Minato (base) and Tobirama after gaining EMS.
EMS Sasuke > Tobirama > MS Sasuke
Tobirama beats any weaker sasuke

 

[Dark Riku]

Sasuke wins.

 

[ARGUS]

Did you read what I said? Madara > Tobirama due to PS. Without PS, they are the same basically.

actually i dunno where u got PS from,,,,,
if we go by portrayal then Tobirama is close too EMS Madara,,,
its only through feats that PS puts EMS Madara above Tobirama

And five seconds after that he faceplants into Madara's rod.

That was RT Madara who solod 9 bijuu along with naruto.. One panelled sasuke..and. Defeated hashirama
Dnt compare him to EMS Madara

 

[A v i]

actually i dunno where u got PS from,,,,,
if we go by portrayal then Tobirama is close too EMS Madara,,,
its only through feats that PS puts EMS Madara above Tobirama.

Even by portrayal Mads and Hashi are clearly above Tobi and Mads shits on Tobi according to feats.

NOTE:I was just being funny so don't take my prv posts seriously.IMO Tobi stands a fair chance against EMS Mads according to portrayal and is definitely not as hopeless as we have been implying.

OT:Current Sasuke shits on Tobi and Tobi loses against any Sasuke above MS according to feats.

 

[DMT]

People think Tobirama is equal to EMS Sasuke?
People think Tobirama can beat MS Sasuke?

NB is full of idiots.

Tobirama is barely featless

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OT: Tobirama blitz him Unless he has PS

 

[KidGamer65]

Who said that it has absolute value? I said Lawd Tobi is on the same level as Mads coz he was confident about taking on Mads.If I took it literally then I would have said that Tobi > Mads coz he said he would defeat him.He wasn't cluelessly making such a comment about EMS Madara to say that it holds no value. when someone of Tobirama's intellect says that he can take on someone even after knowing what his enemy is capable of then it means that he is on the same level.Penguins post further proves this point as even Madara was implying that the gap in their skill wasn't that big back then/b4 power ups.

According to manga portrayal Tobirama isn't as hopeless as we have been implying against an EMS user.

You all need to stop overrating Tobirama. There is literally no portrayal that puts Tobirama at or near EMS Madara's level. None at all. Not gonna bother mentioning that the whole statement by Madara referenced BOTH brothers, not just Tobirama.

The Gokage were helpless against Perfect Susanoo. Unless you are telling me Tobirama is somehow portrayed to be above them, then Tobirama is helpless against PS too.

From what we have seen, I doubt a regular Susano'o will cut it. The Gokage dispatched of them, and in my opinion Tobirama/Minato/Hiruzen is above their level. What else puts Madara above Tobirama bar PS?

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isn't a regular Susanoo. That is Madara's V4 Susanoo, without legs. It is near the size of Full Kurama.

Even if we go back to Madara's V3 Susanoo, the Gokage never once dispatched this Susanoo on their own nor can they individually take this on and live. So Tobirama being above their level doesn't mean much..that is if you mean individually as there is no chance Tobirama is above the combined Gokage's level.

What portrayal makes clear is that NO ONE was on Hashirama or Madara's level during their time period. No one at all.

 

[WreckRoll]

Sasuke has no sealing Jutsu this is spite.

tobirama is alive in this scenario, and he loses

 

[King Of Pop]

I was joking dude. Chillax.

Anyways, Tobirama wins UNLESS this is current Sasuke.

Gtfo. Ems sasuke destroys tobirama, no need for current sasuke. OT current sasuke nneg diffs him, Full power Ems takes him low dif

 

[King Of Pop]

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OT: Tobirama blitz him Unless he has PS

Lmao!, tobirama blitz who?? Current sasuke? The guy who blitzed juubi jin madaara? Sori but sasuke wil be the one blitzing tobirama. If u were referrin to Ems, sasuke was able to track obito with his eyes so he wil have no problems following tobirama. Ems sasuke and upwards shits on him

 

[A v i]

You all need to stop overrating Tobirama. There is literally no portrayal that puts Tobirama at or near EMS Madara's level. None at all. Not gonna bother mentioning that the whole statement by Madara referenced BOTH brothers, not just Tobirama.

The Gokage were helpless against Perfect Susanoo. Unless you are telling me Tobirama is somehow portrayed to be above them, then Tobirama is helpless against PS too.

:|Take a look at post no 49 in this thread.

 

[KidGamer65]

:|Take a look at post no 49 in this thread.

Part of that still replies to your serious post.

 

[Bronze]

Sasuke without legged Susanoo wins.​

 

[A v i]

Part of that still replies to your serious post.

If you are referrign to Gokage argument then sorry but I can't accept it as it is same as using ABC logic.U can't decide it like that.What if Tobirama's abilities are more suited for fighting people with Susanoo? Minato beat the crap out of Obito where as Obito was holding his own against Kakashi,Gai as well as Naruto but that dosen't mean that Minato > Naruto,Kakashi and Gai.In similar way Tobirama standing a better chance against Madara won't change the fact that Tobirama is below Gokage.We still don't know what FTG can do against Susanoo and it is not like standing a fair chance against EMS user means that you must stand upto PS.IMO forcing Madara to pullout PS is same as pushing him to high dif.I don't think Tobirama is capable of such a feat as full power of EMS is on a whole new level.

All I wanted to say is that "those statements from Madara indicates that Tobirama isn't an utter fodder in the eyes of Uchiha Madara".

 

[Memento Mori]

Any Sasuke above MS stomps on Tobirama,current sasuke roflstomps

 

[VolatileSoul]

EMS Sasuke is enough. There is no discussion feat wise, and if you want to use hype and portrayal, Madara and Hashirama were portrayed to be above everyone else, Tobirama himself said Sasuke was as prodigious as Madara, and Tobirama says he'll defeat Madara this time, meaning he failed in the past. It's certainly fair to say he can defeat MS Sasuke, but he stands no chance against anything above.