[VS] Tobirama VS Orochimaru

[65pirate]

Orochimaru. He's got some super powerful snake jutsus that can take him down, and he almost beat Hiruzen, when tobirama and the 1st couldnt beat him at an old age.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

On what basis? Orochimaru has far more intellectual achievements than Tobirama, based on the manga. I thought it was obvious that Orochimaru was smarter/more intelligent than Tobirama.

At just as young of an age, after Hiruzen told him about the white snake, Orochimaru was already studying kinjutsu... And a thought process of a leader is more of a philosophical trait and intellectual trait, if you ask me.

Feel free to throw out some scans instead of posting your opinion.

I don't remember the manga ever stating he was studying kinjutsu, I remember it stated that's what started the process, that's it.

It can be seen as all three. A child stating how things should be done for peace to exist.

 

[Joker]

Accomplishments have nothing on a fight, especially IQ ones. The best accomplishment is Tobirama defeating Izuna, wheres Orochimaru was utterly beaten by mere Genjutsu.

All of Orochimaru's techniques revolve around his snakes. Where is the versatility? All of those are biological feats. Tobirama has IQ feats in all fields. Do you even know what wisdom is?​

Lmfao, the conditions of Tobirama's fight weren't known, for all we know Izuna was known beforehand, plus I like the way you assume that since Orochimaru was beat by genjutsu, Tobirama would be him, even though I haven't seen Tobirama do genjutsu yet.

Tobirama isn't beating him, to constantly dance around the field takes chakra, Orochimaru can just sit in Hydra and take everything he gots with ease, fall back.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Tobirama fought for a whole day. Stamina isn't an issue.

Riding about in the hydra just makes him a bigger target, and needlessly wastes chakra.

 

[Joker]

Tobirama fought for a whole day. Stamina isn't an issue.

Riding about in the hydra just makes him a bigger target, and needlessly wastes chakra.

Tobirama was backed up, so it's arguable to how much he's capable of, ALONE. Riding in Hydra makes him harder to kill, and he regenerates from anything Tobirama can do.

 

[Bronze]

As usual, it seems wank is clouding your judgement. Lel at you asking me if I know what wisdom is. :yeah:

Those achievements are not all biological... Seriously, how is being a master planner and manipulator, along with making your own dimension, biological feats? Get out of here with that a**backwards madness.

Where's Tobirama's versatility? How is he more versatile than Orochimaru?

And to answer your question (or rather enlighten you): Wisdom is the quality of having experience (which Oro has more of), knowledge (which Oro has more of), and good judgment (arguably the only aspect Tobirama beats Oro in, in this case). You are the one who doesn't know what wisdom is.

Lel...asking me if I know what wisdom is, yet you yourself don't even know what it means.

Just accept that, based on feats and manga praise, Orochimaru is smarter than Tobirama, and that your first point as to why Tobirama wins this is moot.

Why butthurt though? I will play with you.

Master manipulator is a sociological feat and serves no purpose on fights. Orochimaru manipulates children, and children are easy to manipulate in real life. Its a hardly assessed feat. Orochimaru's dimension is something he achieved through experiments which is through biology. His feats all revolved around biology. Your argument is invalid.

Tobirama has FTG versions revolving around physics, since he bends time and space. He created Kage Bunshin for decoys and other purposes. He created Edo Tensie (Orochimaru's best technique) for battle purposes and made the technique so perfect. Tobirama achieved immortality, unlimited Chakra, unlimited stamina, and broke the laws of nature. That is a feat debunks all of Orochimaru's.

Retard, the experience in the context refers to the individual's mentality and stability. Tobirama is a calm and collected person. Orochimaru is a criminal with mental disorder (real fact that criminals have mental disorder). First, interpret the definition correctly, then come back uneducated kido.

Says accept manga praises and Orochimaru was the one who praised Tobirama [

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]. I will post one last counter for you child.​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Tobirama was backed up, so it's arguable to how much he's capable of, ALONE. Riding in Hydra makes him harder to kill, and he regenerates from anything Tobirama can do.

Doesn't make a difference. For all we know Madara was too, if even Hashirama couldn't take him alone.

Makes him easier to tag and hit.

Lol, so we're gonna no-limits fallacy now?

 

[Vapid]

Feel free to throw out some scans instead of posting your opinion.

I don't remember the manga ever stating he was studying kinjutsu, I remember it stated that's what started the process, that's it.

It can be seen as all three. A child stating how things should be done for peace to exist.

Actually, you and Dimitri are the ones who need to start posting scans. Post some scans that even remotely imply that Tobirama is superior to Orochimaru, intellectually.

Either way, around the age of seven/at a very young age, Orochimaru was already dabbling with kinjutsu, while Tobirama was only dreaming of a way to end the senseless fighting and came up with the idea of a treaty.

Tobirama fought for a whole day. Stamina isn't an issue.

Riding about in the hydra just makes him a bigger target, and needlessly wastes chakra.

Don't even use the "He fought a whole day" argument; he had a whole platoon of Senju allies fighting alongside him, along with Hashirama.

 

[Joker]

Doesn't make a difference. For all we know Madara was too, if even Hashirama couldn't take him alone.

Makes him easier to tag and hit.

Lol, so we're gonna no-limits fallacy now?

Did I ever say he had no limits? We've never seen him run out of chakra on screen, every time it was his physical body that failed him. His chakra feats are extremely underrated, even hailing summoning three Rashomon gates was something only capable by himself and few others [

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] being in Hydra, he towers of Manda, and he has

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, so unless Tobirama has a gigantic blade that can seal everything in an illusion, he gets shat on.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Actually, you and Dimitri are the ones who need to start posting scans. Post some scans that even remotely imply that Tobirama is superior to Orochimaru, intellectually.

Either way, around the age of seven/at a very young age, Orochimaru was already dabbling with kinjutsu, while Tobirama was only dreaming of a way to end the senseless fighting and came up with the idea of a treaty.


Don't even use the "He fought a whole day" argument; he had a whole platoon of Senju allies fighting alongside him, along with Hashirama.

The burden of proof is on you, if you make a claim, like you did, instead of appealing to credulity.

And you're not worth a decent response until you do.

 

[Vapid]

Snip.

You say that I'm mad, yet you call me a retard. This guy.

None of that proves that Tobirama is smarter than Oro, especially since real-life physics don't apply to the Narutoverse. Tobirama didn't break any scientifically laws, because they don't exist in the Narutoverse.

All of that time, and you were just typing up another fodder-tier post. *smh*

You still haven't proven that Tobirama > Orochimaru, in intelligence.

The burden of proof is on you, if you make a claim, like you did, instead of appealing to credulity.

And you're not worth a decent response until you do.

And you still haven't proven that Tobirama > Orochimaru, in intelligence. What a hypocrite...

 

[Bogard]

Orochimaru is much smarter than Tobirama who was so stupid not to recognise Orochimaru was using Hashirama's cells(even Hashirama said that)

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Did I ever say he had no limits? We've never seen him run out of chakra on screen, every time it was his physical body that failed him. His chakra feats are extremely underrated, even hailing summoning three Rashomon gates was something only capable by himself and few others [

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] being in Hydra, he towers of Manda, and he has

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, so unless Tobirama has a gigantic blade that can seal everything in an illusion, he gets shat on.

You just said he'll regenerate from anything Tobirama does to him.

I acknowledge the rashoumon feats, even the DB states it's impressive. Doesn't mean he can fight for a whole day though.

And I'm not convinced such a massive creature will touch one of the fastest characters in the manga, with FTG, with the zero speed feats it has. Therefore Oro wastes chakra when Tobirama gets aboard it.

So unless Oro has anything to suggest he can touch Tobirama - which he doesn't. Tobirama just routinely marks him and hurts him until he's out of chakra.

And there's nothing to suggest he'll come back from decapitation.

Orochimaru is much smarter than Tobirama who was so stupid not to recognise Orochimaru was using Hashirama's cells(even Hashirama said that)

Come now Bogard.

And you still haven't proven that Tobirama > Orochimaru, in intelligence. What a hypocrite...

I'm waiting until you actually give me something to counter.

 

[Optimistic]

Tobirama sits on Orochimaru's face.

 

[Touken]

Tobirama sits on Orochimaru's face.

That'd be awful to see.

 

[Optimistic]

That'd be awful to see.

I swear Tobirama wears armor that covers his ass. So it won't be too gruesome.

But it's a manga fact :snick:

OT: Tobirama shits on Jamison

your mums dead.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

I see Bogard using T-Rama memes and I be like

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[Vapid]

I'm waiting until you actually give me something to counter.

Still nothing? I expected as much. Orochimaru has more intellectual feats than Tobirama.

Please enlighten me on Tobirama's intellectual feats. And please don't make a dumb*ss assertion like wank-train Dimitri above, and say that with Edo Tensei and FTG, Tobirama used physics and broke the laws of nature, since both are practically non-existent real-life qualities that desperate people try to apply to the Narutoverse when their back is against the wall.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Orochimaru loses Mid diff. He's not going to be reacting to FTG when Tobirama has such fast striking speed.

 

[Optimistic]

Orochimaru loses Mid diff. He's not going to be reacting to FTG when Tobirama has such fast striking speed.

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Wouldn't wanna see Oro eating metal plate either. God knows what turns Homochimaru on.

#Shotsfired