Tobirama Senju vs Itachi Uchiha

[Optimistic]

lol at Itachi blitzing Bee. Bee swats Itachi like a fly.

 

[Unorthodox]

lol at Itachi blitzing Bee. Bee swats Itachi like a fly.

you became so irrogant

 

[Transcendence]

Itachi wins.

 

[Optimistic]

you became so irrogant

i don't care but thanks.

 

[Booker]

Tobirama wins this handily.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Incorrect. Without the Hiraishin, Tobirama won't be capable of keeping up with Itachi's speed since

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more than once.

And Tobirama was keeping up with hashi's shunshin, moreover hashirama is scalable to Madara levels who's Mach 143 for intercepting Hashi

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That's the feat.

I think I know a way I can calculate this.

In fact I think I know two ways to calculate this, although one of them may be a little dubious..

First of all I need to do some scaling.

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Madara is 20.248px and 1.7m making the scale 0.08395890952m/px.

The Gem thing is 43.658px making it 3.67m.

With that scaling I can now scale the size of the BB.

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The Gem is 3.67m and 31.113px making the scale 0.11795712403m/px.

The BB is 75px making it 8.85m wide.

Now with that done I can proceed to the actual calc.

What I'm going to do is scale how big the gates are and then attempt to do this:

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Edit : Well , I will try to do something anyway

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1/18*PI*Juubi's Torso

That means the juubi fell 0.17453292519 Of it's torso height (Whatever that might be)
So without further ado let's get to it.

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The BB is 61px and 8.85m making the scale 0.14508196721m/px.

The gate is 384px tall making it 55.71m tall.

The gate is also 189.23px making it 27.45m wide.

Now.

The gate falls it's full 90 degrees.

So we can sub in 1/4 in the place of 1/18 from what GGNK had before.

Therefore it falls:

1/4pi*55.71 = 43.75m

It would take 2.99 seconds to fall that distance.

Now we just need a distance for how far the BB fell.

This is where my two possibilities come in.

Firstly we could scale the distance we see at first for a massive lowball.

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Width of gate = 36.235px

Distance travelled = 683.17px

D/Gate = 18.8538705671

Gate = 27.45m

D = 517.54m

Speed = 173.1 m/s

But yeah that's retarded.

Instead we'll scale how far away the BB is at the end of the time frame.

The Bijuudama in this case is 17404.2m wide

The BB is 60px and the panel is 703px

2*atan(60/(703/tan(70/2))) = 6.84 Degrees.

Anglesizing we get a distance of 145.61km.

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so I hear ol Dartg needed some help with projectile motionz here

lets see :

she got the distance = 145.61 km


now we need height :

gate height from here (

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) is at least 83.33 meters tall

BB initial height can then be scaled from the gates
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^ I think we can scale altitude here correctly since we're looking at both objects directly from the side

237/450*83.33 = 43.88 m

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input ~48700 m/s to get a 145.66 km distance

48700 m/s = Mach 143

This was EMS Madara scaling for intercepting hashirama hand golem and the BB bomb, moreover it should be applied that hashirama was on his level, via scaling he gets the same scaling, and so did Tobirama and the others for keeping pace with hashirama shunshin when arriving at the war zone.

The first time Itachi attacked Naruto and Bī,

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. Even if he uses Hiraishin, it will be no trouble for Itachi really since the man is

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he can do the same by placing multiple tags, giving prep that itachi can handle all of them simaltanously.

And moreover could react to

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due to the fact that the Hiraishin marks are made out of Chakra. He won't get near those marks and Tobirama won't be capable of placing the Hiraishin marks on him due to the fact that Itachi is faster than him if you don't count the Hiraishin and

He isn't faster then him even via shunshin, his shunshin is comparable to hashiramas Mach 143 speed scaling, even if they are made out of chakra, despite obito being a sharingan user

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and moreover his sufficient control with his clones. He can tag the surrounding, can tag or teleport his susanoo.

managed to land hits on JUUBITO multiple times despite him lol blitzing the hokages, without significant trouble.

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which is

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And how fast is Kirin? We don't know, lighting is reltavistic, which is 10c percent lightpseed or otherwise Mach 81,000, so ur saying his reaction timeing is faster the goku? He never even moved he only set up his defences in such a way i.e susanoo to counter it before Kirin came raging in. His base speed is Mach 35 with above Mach 50 reaction which are scalable to FRS. He's literally comparable to SM nardo in speed comparability.

Just cause itachi seems fast, it actually isn't the case, speed scale it, he doesn't make it to MHS, he's relitvely slower compared to top MHS tiers.

due to the fact that it's as fast as lightning itself. It's only a matter of time before Itachi figures out how Tobirama teleports and then

Which wouldn't happen, he tags the surrounding area and his susanoo with Gojō Kibaku Fuda blows it up, and is more then capable of blitzing him, since itachi mostly runs out of chakra when initiating susanoo. And can't use it for prolong periods as well. He becomes exhausted, making a huge drop in speed and combat, As soon as he's out of his susanoo, he can simply use hiriashin slash to end it or pop up from a tag. More then capable of ending it.

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. In the end, Itachi doesn't even need to do this since

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and since Tobirama has no knowledge on it like Naruto, he will get caught since

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. All he needs to do is make his Crow make eye contact with Tobirama. Not to mention that Tobirama looks into an Uchiha's eyes too much so he will look into Itachi's eyes and he will get caught in a Genjutsu.

To a guy who has him outclassed in both speed and DC, his exploding tags were superior to KCM nardos FRS in terms of DC, scalable to small city level regarding AOE, which is more then enough to fuk him up when he gets ripped of his susanoo, and gets the area tagged.


He can't directly get him with finger genjutsu as well, despite being faster. Making/relying on direct eye contact would be a difficult to a guy who pretty much moves around like a speedster, and moreover hes more intelligent in terms of battle expericance and isnt dumb like nardo, moreover that was a fodder nardo who got caught in his GJ, he had trouble doing doing it to nardo who was convienently faster, And has previously fought MS users I'm sure he has a trick :snick:

 

[Shura]

And Tobirama was keeping up with hashi's shunshin, moreover hashirama is scalable to Madara levels who's Mach 143 for intercepting Hashi

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That's the feat.

I think I know a way I can calculate this.

In fact I think I know two ways to calculate this, although one of them may be a little dubious..

First of all I need to do some scaling.

Spoiler:

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Madara is 20.248px and 1.7m making the scale 0.08395890952m/px.

The Gem thing is 43.658px making it 3.67m.

With that scaling I can now scale the size of the BB.

Spoiler:



The Gem is 3.67m and 31.113px making the scale 0.11795712403m/px.

The BB is 75px making it 8.85m wide.

Now with that done I can proceed to the actual calc.

What I'm going to do is scale how big the gates are and then attempt to do this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GGNK
Anyone going to answer ?

Edit : Well , I will try to do something anyway

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1/18*PI*Juubi's Torso

That means the juubi fell 0.17453292519 Of it's torso height (Whatever that might be)
So without further ado let's get to it.

Spoiler:



The BB is 61px and 8.85m making the scale 0.14508196721m/px.

The gate is 384px tall making it 55.71m tall.

The gate is also 189.23px making it 27.45m wide.

Now.

The gate falls it's full 90 degrees.

So we can sub in 1/4 in the place of 1/18 from what GGNK had before.

Therefore it falls:

1/4pi*55.71 = 43.75m

It would take 2.99 seconds to fall that distance.

Now we just need a distance for how far the BB fell.

This is where my two possibilities come in.

Firstly we could scale the distance we see at first for a massive lowball.

Spoiler:



Width of gate = 36.235px

Distance travelled = 683.17px

D/Gate = 18.8538705671

Gate = 27.45m

D = 517.54m

Speed = 173.1 m/s

But yeah that's retarded.

Instead we'll scale how far away the BB is at the end of the time frame.

The Bijuudama in this case is 17404.2m wide

The BB is 60px and the panel is 703px

2*atan(60/(703/tan(70/2))) = 6.84 Degrees.

Anglesizing we get a distance of 145.61km.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flutter
so I hear ol Dartg needed some help with projectile motionz here

lets see :

she got the distance = 145.61 km


now we need height :

gate height from here (

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) is at least 83.33 meters tall

BB initial height can then be scaled from the gates
Spoiler:


^ I think we can scale altitude here correctly since we're looking at both objects directly from the side

237/450*83.33 = 43.88 m

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input ~48700 m/s to get a 145.66 km distance

48700 m/s = Mach 143

This was EMS Madara scaling for intercepting hashirama hand golem and the BB bomb, moreover it should be applied that hashirama was on his level, via scaling he gets the same scaling, and so did Tobirama and the others for keeping pace with hashirama shunshin when arriving at the war zone.



And what if he can see them? It wouldn't be when he can't even possibly see or react to sudden movements or keep up with his shunshin nonetheless, same logic could also be applied to obito, who couldn't see his marks,

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he can do the same by placing multiple tags, giving prep that itachi can handle all of them simaltanously.

And moreover could react to

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He isn't faster then him even via shunshin, his shunshin is comparable to hashiramas Mach 143 speed scaling, even if they are made out of chakra, despite obito being a sharingan user

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and moreover his sufficient control with his clones. He can tag the surrounding, can tag or teleport his susanoo.

managed to land hits on JUUBITO multiple times despite him lol blitzing the hokages, without significant trouble.




And how fast is Kirin? We don't know, lighting is reltavistic, which is 10c percent lightpseed or otherwise Mach 81,000, so ur saying his reaction timeing is faster the goku? He never even moved he only set up his defences in such a way i.e susanoo to counter it before Kirin came raging in. His base speed is Mach 35 with above Mach 50 reaction which are scalable to FRS. He's literally comparable to SM nardo in speed comparability.

Just cause itachi seems fast, it actually isn't the case, speed scale it, he doesn't make it to MHS, he's relitvely slower compared to top MHS tiers.




Which wouldn't happen, he tags the surrounding area and his susanoo with Gojō Kibaku Fuda blows it up, and is more then capable of blitzing him, since itachi mostly runs out of chakra when initiating susanoo. And can't use it for prolong periods as well. He becomes exhausted, making a huge drop in speed and combat, As soon as he's out of his susanoo, he can simply use hiriashin slash to end it or pop up from a tag. More then capable of ending it.




To a guy who has him outclassed in both speed and DC, his exploding tags were superior to KCM nardos FRS in terms of DC, scalable to small city level regarding AOE, which is more then enough to fuk him up when he gets ripped of his susanoo, and gets the area tagged.


He can't directly get him with finger genjutsu as well, despite being faster. Making/relying on direct eye contact would be a difficult to a guy who pretty much moves around like a speedster, and moreover hes more intelligent in terms of battle expericance and isnt dumb like nardo, moreover that was a fodder nardo who got caught in his GJ, he had trouble doing doing it to nardo who was convienently faster, And has previously fought MS users I'm sure he has a trick :snick:

*Posts calculations even thought knowing that I'm not gonna read that shit* ._. I'll counter later if I feel like it. I'm watching something, sorry.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

*Posts calculations even thought knowing that I'm not gonna read that shit* ._. I'll counter later if I feel like it. I'm watching something, sorry.

Well I'm an NF debater, this is how we debate, the scaling is legit tho

I don't think I'd be able to carry on the debate if u take long AC son.

 

[Optimistic]

Well I'm an NF debater, this is how we debate,

true dat NF > NB

 

[Shura]

I don't think I'd be able to carry on the debate if u take long AC son.

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[Obitos]

Itachi wins

 

[P3ĮÑ]

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Ac my boi, the pic doesn't work :/

 

[EKSITE]

Itachi wins for clear reasons


During Itachi fight with Sasuke he was able to use Amaterasu up to 6x

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If Itachi covered the field all in black flames i don't see Tobirama moving around in it so easily.

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Left the area like this would make tobirama less mobile to move around giving itachi a much more clear shot at hitting him ,Itachi being a genjutsu master would be a very good advantage in this case giving Itachi the win.

 

[Optimistic]

And after every amaterasu he suffered from backlash.

IC Itachi won't spam the living shit out of amaterasu.

 

[EKSITE]

And after every amaterasu he suffered from backlash.

IC Itachi won't spam the living shit out of amaterasu.

He's already have the proof is right there come again ?

 

[Optimistic]

He's already have the proof is right there come again ?

Yes he did but did he do that right off the bat? of course not.

1 amaterasu will make Itachi suffer major backlash.Amaterasu takes a few seconds before the move is properly executed
Tobirama can block Itachi's site with a bunshin.

I still believe Itachi will win but not via MS spam.

 

[Bogard]

Itachi wins for clear reasons


During Itachi fight with Sasuke he was able to use Amaterasu up to 6x

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If Itachi covered the field all in black flames i don't see Tobirama moving around in it so easily.

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Left the area like this would make tobirama less mobile to move around giving itachi a much more clear shot at hitting him ,Itachi being a genjutsu master would be a very good advantage in this case giving Itachi the win.

*Sigh* Don't even know where to start to counter the amount of BS in this post

 

[EKSITE]

Yes he did but did he do that right off the bat? of course not.

1 amaterasu will make Itachi suffer major backlash.Amaterasu takes a few seconds before the move is properly executed
Tobirama can block Itachi's site with a bunshin.

I still believe Itachi will win but not via MS spam.

I'm not talking about him trying to hit Tobirama with it i'd clearly be a waste with the FTG he'll be able to dodge with no problem at all.

Here's the Izanami world Sasuke he wasn't trying to him Izanami world Kabuto with Amaterasu he was using it as a defense to keep him away that's what i was talking about .

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Amaterasu I believe is what saves Itachi in this fight in my opinion.

 

[EKSITE]

I'm not talking about him trying to hit Tobirama with it i'd clearly be a waste with the FTG he'll be able to dodge with no problem at all.

Here's the Izanami world Sasuke he wasn't trying to him Izanami world Kabuto with Amaterasu he was using it as a defense to keep him away that's what i was talking about .

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Amaterasu I believe is what saves Itachi in this fight in my opinion.

*Sigh* Don't even know where to start to counter the amount of BS in this post

Because you can't goodbye lol

 

[Shura]

Yes he did but did he do that right off the bat? of course not.

1 amaterasu will make Itachi suffer major backlash.Amaterasu takes a few seconds before the move is properly executed
Tobirama can block Itachi's site with a bunshin.

I still believe Itachi will win but not via MS spam.

He is right though. That one Amaterasu is too big for Tobirama's bunshin to block it. Tobirama's bunshin will disappear as soon as Amaterasu hits it, Itachi will easily, as shown in the scan Kinko posted, envelope the field in Amaterasu.

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This will prevent Tobirama from placing Hiraishin marks on the ground and he won't be able to move freely. You also have to note that this was Itachi who was at death doors. A healthy Itachi should be more than capable of creating an even bigger Amaterasu field. Not to mention that the sick Itachi in the manga used Tsukuyomi and had a battle in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu against Sasuke. Also note that the Amaterasu which enveloped the field was the second Amaterasu which means that Itachi used an Amaterasu before that against Sasuke's fire. He won't have that much of a backslash from using that Amaterasu honestly. A healthy Itachi is more than capable of enveloping the field in Amaterasu.