Tobirama Senju vs Akatsuki

[Ababeel]

He loses to Pain, Kisame, Obito.

probably win the rest.

 

[Oblivionx]

up to itachi he definitely wins... from there onwards it gets difficult... next 3 are all can go either way matches....

 

[Zexion~]

Kakuzu can potentially take out Minato

He's of course beating a weaker version U_U

Deidara wins this easily Indra my man

Sasori wins

Kisame stomps

Hidan loses

Konan may lose...Most likely

Others are obvious

 

[Bronze]

Stops at Kakuzu.

Kakuzu, being 91 years old and someone lived during Tobirama's era will have a good idea of how FTG works, especially with his vast experience. Even if he did not, he scored 4 in intelligence according to the databook, so he will be able to analyze the mechanics of FTG. Marking him isn't going to do anything, since Kakuzu can simply cut that marked part and heal it via his threads. Once he merges with his masks, he will be utilize his full power through his elemental combination attacks. One of them destroyed a forest easily [

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[Touken]

Oh shet, I didn't think about that. That's actually pretty broken on second thought. However, he doesn't clear as you stated. MS Obito low diffs, Pain can use BT>Soul rip before Tobirama creates shadow clones given Asura can fire a laser in a horizontal manner to clear any clones/make it obvious which is the real and which is not.

MS Obito low diffs? When it's clearly been shown that FTG is the perfect counter to Kamui? Not to mention that Tobirama has full intel on Obito anyway so he knows exactly how to counter his Kamui given his intelligence. Pain tries that then Tobirama teleports to a kunai/sword/Shadow Clone or he simply has one of his Shadow Clones to kill Deva Path via Suiton: Suidanha. Or Tobirama himself uses the technique while he's being pulled by Bansho Ten'in. Asura Path isn't taking out any of his Bunshin. You're forgetting that they too can use Hiraishin and if Asura Path does manage to, Tobirama can make more. Chakra isn't an issue with him.

Doesn't matter, unless you are willing to claim Kisame's chakra is capped at a certain Suiton mass, then your point is moot. I can go as far to say he uses his water dome to near chakra depletion (he won't, but you can think that if you want) and still not need any more chakra to win the fight since the dome basically ends the fight. The edo can no longer move in the water prison, and external sources cannot do anything about it as shown when Gai failed to penetrate it. The only plausible way of escaping alone was by disturbing the flow of the prison i.e. Hyuga, which Tobirama cannot do. He has to pull tags out of himself, unless you are claiming he can do such when restrained by massive pressure, then I don't see your point. Again, the only reason I brought up the statement of prison was to buy enough time for water dome. Once water dome is up the fight is over. Anyways, I fail to see why I am debating this match-up when it's a stomp. By the time Tobirama has placed his hand on the floor and put up the hand seal, Tobirama and the edo coffin would already be separated and in the water. Kisame blitzes them or releases shark summons inside the water dome to end Tobirama.

Larger scale technique = more chakra required. Water Dome is only deadly because of its size and it can only get to that size after Kisame absorbs a large amount of chakra. Gojou Kibakufuda ends Kisame well before Water Dome gets to that massive because the process of executing Gojou Kibakufuda certainly seems quicker [

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He teleports the Edo out of the Water Prison. It isn't containing the Edo or Tobirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is some pretty comical shit in this thread. Kakuzu taking Tobirama out is one of them.

1. Tobirama vs Kakuzu

He wins mid diff without Edo Tensei, Kakuzu isn't touching Tobirama due to reactions that let him mark Juubito before he chopped his body in half and speed superior to Madara, who moved so fast that SM Naruto couldn't react. Can't forget about Hiraishin either. The excess threads make it very easy for Tobirama to tag, and kill Kakuzu. Once tagged, he can't protect himself as he can't react.

With Edo Tensei, Tobirama simply summons them, blows them up, and that's game. Kakuzu dies in one shot. Low diff win.

2. Tobirama vs Konan

Gojo GG. Low diff.

3. Tobirama vs Sasori

Gojo GG. Low diff. He could win without it too. Sasori is never going to touch him, but there is no reason Tobirama can't touch him.

4. Tobirama vs Deidara

Low diff whether or not he has Gojo.

5. Tobirama vs Kisame

He'd lose here without Gojo, but since he has it, he blows Kisame up, mid difficulty.

6. Tobirama vs Itachi

He takes Itachi mid diff. Gojo just makes it easier, not low diff though.

7. Tobirama vs 6 paths of pain

Gojo gives Tobirama the win here.

8. Tobirama vs MS Obito

Gojo is useless here, but Hiraishin already shat on MS Obito, so its obvious who wins this one.

He clears this gauntlet without a high diff fight.

 

[DMT]

There is some pretty comical shit in this thread. Kakuzu taking Tobirama out is one of them.



He wins mid diff without Edo Tensei, Kakuzu isn't touching Tobirama due to reactions that let him mark Juubito before he chopped his body in half and speed superior to Madara, who moved so fast that SM Naruto couldn't react. Can't forget about Hiraishin either. The excess threads make it very easy for Tobirama to tag, and kill Kakuzu. Once tagged, he can't protect himself as he can't react.

With Edo Tensei, Tobirama simply summons them, blows them up, and that's game. Kakuzu dies in one shot. Low diff win.


Gojo GG. Low diff.



Gojo GG. Low diff. He could win without it too. Sasori is never going to touch him, but there is no reason Tobirama can't touch him.



Low diff whether or not he has Gojo.



He'd lose here without Gojo, but since he has it, he blows Kisame up, mid difficulty.



He takes Itachi mid diff. Gojo just makes it easier, not low diff though.



Gojo gives Tobirama the win here.



Gojo is useless here, but Hiraishin already shat on MS Obito, so its obvious who wins this one.

He clears this gauntlet without a high diff fight.

pretty much ..

the best argument in this thread

 

[Zexion~]

There is some pretty comical shit in this thread. Kakuzu taking Tobirama out is one of them.



He wins mid diff without Edo Tensei, Kakuzu isn't touching Tobirama due to reactions that let him mark Juubito before he chopped his body in half and speed superior to Madara, who moved so fast that SM Naruto couldn't react. Can't forget about Hiraishin either. The excess threads make it very easy for Tobirama to tag, and kill Kakuzu. Once tagged, he can't protect himself as he can't react.

Has Tobirama showed Kunai usage? I don't think so, regardless once one heart is taken down, Kakuzu's going to go in long range mode >.< AND ACTUALLY STAY LONG RANGE, Now with 3 elements at his disposal that could even still manifest in their own bodies, its going to be much harder for Tobirama to pull an ass pull and blindside Kakuzu With Especially once Kakuzu gets a feel of his jutsu U_U Scans of these speed feats please?

 

[FlashReturns]

Tobirama defeats everyone in Akatsuki 1v1. He defeats Konan, Hidan, and Deidara with relative ease. He beats Kakuza, Kisame, Itachi, and Sasori with mid difficulty, and Pain and MS Obito he beats with high difficulty. Tobirama is a top 9-13 character. Most of Akatsuki aren't even top 20 which is a huge gap.

 

[FlashReturns]

Has Tobirama showed Kunai usage? I don't think so, regardless once one heart is taken down, Kakuzu's going to go in long range mode >.< AND ACTUALLY STAY LONG RANGE, Now with 3 elements at his disposal that could even still manifest in their own bodies, its going to be much harder for Tobirama to pull an ass pull and blindside Kakuzu With Especially once Kakuzu gets a feel of his jutsu U_U Scans of these speed feats please?

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Tobirama uses a Kunai.

 

[Made in Heaven]

tobirama would lose to some of 'em

 

[Latios]

How does Tobirama beat Konan? v-v

 

[Zexion~]

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Tobirama uses a Kunai.

Alright thanks U_U

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama can beat every single person on that list.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Tobirama can beat every single person on that list.

How does he beat Pain?

 

[BlackFlame44]

How does Tobirama beat Konan? v-v

Water Style

 

[Latios]

Water Style

There is something called oiled papers and paper wings bro.

 

[Bogard]

1. Tobirama vs Kakuzu - All Kakuzu masks get dodged either with shunshin or hiraishin. All he has to do is to mark the main body(he doesn't need to touch the others) and Kakuzu can't maintain domu forever. He will get killed sooner or later. If needed, he can use clones to make other Kakuzu bodies busy

2. Tobirama vs Konan - He can mark Konan with Hiraishin and kill her considering she uses a jutsu to become paper and she won't have time to react the moment she gets marked. Though Tobirama would have to be cautious cuz she could leave explosive tags, but with the usage of clones, it shouldn't be a problem

3. Tobirama vs Sasori - He is a sensor. Sasori's core emit chakra, so he should be capable to know its weak-point really fast and aim for it. Considering the vast speed advantage plus the fact puppet master are weak in close combat, i see him accomplishing it sooner or later. Either way he is never getting tagged by attacks that beginning of shippuden Sakura could dodge

4. Tobirama vs Deidara - Here is where a problem lies. Deidara being a aerial opponent, it would be difficult for Tobirama to tag him especially with the lack of mobile markings, but on the other side i don't see Tobirama getting tagged by his bombs as well. Even C4 is useless considering Tobirama should be capable to identify them with his sensing ability. Deidara is however an inexperienced kid, most of the time coming in battles unprepared and running out of clay when Tobirama is a stamina freak, so i see him getting outlasted and Tobirama taking opportunity to strike

Will comment others later U_U

 

[DMT]

How does Tobirama beat Konan? v-v

Scenario 1

1. Summon fodder Edo

2. Mark this edo with FTG

3. Transfer this edo behind konan

4. Blow up this edo with GKF



scenario 2


1. Konan gets hiraishingiri'd

 

[Latios]

Scenario 1

1. Summon fodder Edo

2. Mark this edo with FTG

3. Transfer this edo behind konan

4. Blow up this edo with GKF



scenario 2


1. Konan gets hiraishingiri'd

Unless the edo can fly it can't get Konan. Tobirama isn't marking Konan unless he can fly. Gojo uses paper bombs right? Guess who manipulates paper.