Tobirama Senju vs Akatsuki

[Touken]

Wait.. CLEARS? Dayum bruh. Didn't know people could only watch the edo tensei be summoned when they have full knowledge of its capable destruction. Kakuzu ties it down with threads, no feats means it isn't getting out of the tangle. Water dome also makes it useless. Pain does BT>Soul rip and no more ET. Obito takes them to the kamui dimension. Itachi uses Amateratsu and it burns for the duration of the fight/seals it with totsuka. Such clear, much wows.

He can send the Edo Tensei coffin to any seal he wants. None of his opponents can do anything to it because of Hiraishin. The only problem there is Kisame, but I thought he could only use Water Dome after absorbing a large amount of chakra from his opponent? Even if he can use it without absorbing chakra, I'm pretty sure he can take down Kisame in the early stages of his Water Dome being active considering he has to fuse with Samehada to gain that speed advantage, and that process is longer than it takes for Tobirama to explode an Edo into his path.

 

[BlackFlame44]

He makes it to Itachi

 

[Apêx1]

He can send the Edo Tensei coffin to any seal he wants. None of his opponents can do anything to it because of Hiraishin. The only problem there is Kisame, but I thought he could only use Water Dome after absorbing a large amount of chakra from his opponent? Even if he can use it without absorbing chakra, I'm pretty sure he can take down Kisame in the early stages of his Water Dome being active considering he has to fuse with Samehada to gain that speed advantage, and that process is longer than it takes for Tobirama to explode an Edo into his path.

That's implying he immediately tags it. I don't recall of such a possibility given that his hands would be touching the floor and making a hand seal [

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] while summoning the edo tensei coffin. The second it is summoned, it is counter, unless you are implying Tobirama can summon edo tensei coffins and immediately tag them before the opponent can do anything. More so, it's been shown the people within the coffin leave at a quick pace, Tobirama would have the backside of the coffin, and would have to walk around the backside, to the front side, tag the Edo and send it to an FTG kunai he hasn't even created. This of course, will vary based on perspective since I always see you claiming Tobirama can do 50 things before his opponent has blinked.

I was implying water prison, the one where the clones trapped Neji, Lee and Tenten and there was nothing they could do about it. After this is achieved, Water dome is used. And no, Kisame without Samehada was confirmed in a scan to have tailed beast chakra levels. It was stated with the Samehada, 'the most fierce sword of all the seven' he becomes the tailedless biju. He alone already has the chakra reserves to do it, however. He has the speed advantage without fusing with Samehada as shown here [

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[Gold Lightning]

Tobiramas ET is non existent, featless, unknown, weak... Etc

The fact that all people can say is he has 2 Edo fodder but can't mention their names, abilities pretty much says it all.

 

[DMT]

Tobiramas ET is non existent, featless, unknown, weak... Etc

The fact that all people can say is he has 2 Edo fodder but can't mention their names, abilities pretty much says it all.

Names , abilities .. Doesn't matter

Tobirama said that he can use GKF with edos but that was the first time
he use GKF on his body .. fodder edo without any ability is pretty good ..

FTG mark + Edo body + GKF = the reason why I give tobirama 2 edos

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tobiramas ET is non existent

No stop. One does not simply thinks its ok to state this. Reevaluate this sentence. The creator of this jutsu contradicts this statement.

featless,

It was NOT suppose to be built the way Oro and Kabuto use it Edo Tensei. Tobirama explains this already, so once again it isn't featless as Tobirama showed how he used ET's purpose

unknown, weak... Etc

Exactly how he wants its, and exactly how he built it

The fact that all people can say is he has 2 Edo fodder but can't mention their names, abilities pretty much says it all.

Thats because it was never meant to be controlled by a mass. Chiyo explains this[

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This conditions completely makes sense stop trying to deny what the manga implied its feats and purpose.

 

[ARGUS]

1. Tobirama vs Kakuzu

Tobirama wins mid diff

2. Tobirama vs Konan

Tobirama wins mid diff

3. Tobirama vs Sasori

Tobirama wins this mid/high diff

4. Tobirama vs Deidara

Tobirama wins this mid diff

5. Tobirama vs Kisame

Tobirama wins this mid/high diff

6. Tobirama vs Itachi

Tobirama wins this high diff

7. Tobirama vs 6 paths of pain

Pein wins this high diff

8. Tobirama vs MS Obito

Tobirama wins this high diff most likely

 

[Unorthodox]

he loses to all but konan and apex your reason why he defeats deidara is poor tobirama wont have ftg out of c3 range

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[End of Days]

Wait.. CLEARS? Dayum bruh. Didn't know people could only watch the edo tensei be summoned when they have full knowledge of its capable destruction. Kakuzu ties it down with threads, no feats means it isn't getting out of the tangle. Water dome also makes it useless. Pain does BT>Soul rip and no more ET. Obito takes them to the kamui dimension. Itachi uses Amateratsu and it burns for the duration of the fight/seals it with totsuka. Such clear, much wows.

I doubt threads would do anything, the edo needs only pull out the tags out of his body, kakuzu would be better off trying to evade it by flying than try to wrestle with someone who is about to explode

the ones who have a credible counter to edo explosion imo are

Sasori: paralyzing posions [edo hanzo was paralyzed by his own posion [

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Itachi: totsuka
Pein: paralyzing chakra rods, bansho tenin
Obito: uchiha kaejin, phase through it, warp

to execute edo explosion, he has to first restrain the opponent so that he doesnt try to run away, and get near it (since the explosion focuses its power at the center [

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the ones listed can deal with the edo in the short time, others are better of trying to attack him since controlling the movements of edo requires effort and concentration

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[Gold Lightning]

No stop. One does not simply thinks its ok to state this. Reevaluate this sentence. The creator of this jutsu contradicts this statement.



It was NOT suppose to be built the way Oro and Kabuto use it Edo Tensei. Tobirama explains this already, so once again it isn't featless as Tobirama showed how he used ET's purpose



Exactly how he wants its, and exactly how he built it



Thats because it was never meant to be controlled by a mass. Chiyo explains this[

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].


This conditions completely makes sense stop trying to deny what the manga implied its feats and purpose.

Hmm I see, makes sense. Thanks for explanation, I have seen the light.

 

[DMT]

It was NOT suppose to be built the way Oro and Kabuto use it Edo Tensei. Tobirama explains this already, so once again it isn't featless as Tobirama showed how he used ET's purpose


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exactly

They don't why Tobirama created ET ..
it's because he needed Edo Body that can regenerate so he can mark this edo and use GKF ..

 

[Apêx1]

he loses to all but konan and apex your reason why he defeats deidara is poor tobirama wont have ftg out of c3 range

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Yea, I agree. Tobirama can't counter C3 unless he goes completely out of character like putting a shadow clone in a far distance and using mutually instantaneous revolving tech with it to switch places. But again, I will agree and not go on far fetched OC tactics.

I doubt threads would do anything, the edo needs only pull out the tags out of his body, kakuzu would be better off trying to evade it by flying than try to wrestle with someone who is about to explode

the ones who have a credible counter to edo explosion imo are

Sasori: paralyzing posions [edo hanzo was paralyzed by his own posion [

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Itachi: totsuka
Pein: paralyzing chakra rods, bansho tenin
Obito: uchiha kaejin, phase through it, warp

How so? Edo thread can literally wrap around Edo and pierce him from once side to the other so many times it is completely useless. Implying the edo has enough strength to move when he's completely restricted by the threads. He isn't exploding when kakuzu uses threads, and he isn't faster than Kakuzu simply bliting to prevent this given his full intel considering it's an absolutely featless edo.
Yes, but sasori still loses since IS and poison won't land on Tobirama himself.
Agree on the rest.

to execute edo explosion, he has to first restrain the opponent so that he doesnt try to run away, and get near it (since the explosion focuses its power at the center [

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the ones listed can deal with the edo in the short time, others are better of trying to attack him since controlling the movements of edo requires effort and concentration

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The rest isn't really a strong argument. I don't see a single Akatsuki member getting restrained by Tobirama so it remains moot. Everyone I said would win can counter the restraint which leads to the edo explosion.

 

[Haizaki]

Only problem is Obito for me

 

[Touken]

That's implying he immediately tags it. I don't recall of such a possibility given that his hands would be touching the floor and making a hand seal [

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] while summoning the edo tensei coffin. The second it is summoned, it is counter, unless you are implying Tobirama can summon edo tensei coffins and immediately tag them before the opponent can do anything. More so, it's been shown the people within the coffin leave at a quick pace, Tobirama would have the backside of the coffin, and would have to walk around the backside, to the front side, tag the Edo and send it to an FTG kunai he hasn't even created. This of course, will vary based on perspective since I always see you claiming Tobirama can do 50 things before his opponent has blinked.

He doesn't need to tag them. His chakra is linked with the Edo. He'd start out the battle with Shadow Clones out and he can teleport to said Shadow Clones. Once he's summoned the coffin, he can move it to any Shadow Clone he wants and that only needs a thought process.

I was implying water prison, the one where the clones trapped Neji, Lee and Tenten and there was nothing they could do about it. After this is achieved, Water dome is used. And no, Kisame without Samehada was confirmed in a scan to have tailed beast chakra levels. It was stated with the Samehada, 'the most fierce sword of all the seven' he becomes the tailedless biju. He alone already has the chakra reserves to do it, however. He has the speed advantage without fusing with Samehada as shown here [

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]; "That's why... they call me the Tailless Tailed Beast" and he said that right after Sabu made his statement about Samehada's ability to absorb chakra and transfer the chakra to it's wielder, so he has that title only because of Samehada. How does the Water Prison even stop the Edo from exploding? Team Gai couldn't do anything because they're all taijutsu-based fighters. The Water Prison in no way stops a person from kneading chakra to use his own ninjutsu techs. Kisame tries that on either his Edo or Tobirama himself, they teleport out of the Water Prison, and that's with the assumption that he could actually capture them in the Water Prison. That speed isn't nearly quick enough to escape an explosion that dwarfed Bijuu-sized Juubi fodder and continued to explode for several metres [

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[Apêx1]

He doesn't need to tag them. His chakra is linked with the Edo. He'd start out the battle with Shadow Clones out and he can teleport to said Shadow Clones. Once he's summoned the coffin, he can move it to any Shadow Clone he wants and that only needs a thought process.

Oh shet, I didn't think about that. That's actually pretty broken on second thought. However, he doesn't clear as you stated. MS Obito low diffs, Pain can use BT>Soul rip before Tobirama creates shadow clones given Asura can fire a laser in a horizontal manner to clear any clones/make it obvious which is the real and which is not.

[

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Doesn't matter, unless you are willing to claim Kisame's chakra is capped at a certain Suiton mass, then your point is moot. I can go as far to say he uses his water dome to near chakra depletion (he won't, but you can think that if you want) and still not need any more chakra to win the fight since the dome basically ends the fight. The edo can no longer move in the water prison, and external sources cannot do anything about it as shown when Gai failed to penetrate it. The only plausible way of escaping alone was by disturbing the flow of the prison i.e. Hyuga, which Tobirama cannot do. He has to pull tags out of himself, unless you are claiming he can do such when restrained by massive pressure, then I don't see your point. Again, the only reason I brought up the statement of prison was to buy enough time for water dome. Once water dome is up the fight is over. Anyways, I fail to see why I am debating this match-up when it's a stomp. By the time Tobirama has placed his hand on the floor and put up the hand seal, Tobirama and the edo coffin would already be separated and in the water. Kisame blitzes them or releases shark summons inside the water dome to end Tobirama.

 

[Joki Boi]

Tobirama clears easily. Willing to debate with anyone on individual topics.

Tobiramas ET is non existent, featless, unknown, weak... Etc

The fact that all people can say is he has 2 Edo fodder but can't mention their names, abilities pretty much says it all.

- Mū and the Mizukage recognised it as Tobirama's Jutsu.

- Madara knows the contract seal and knows what it was used for.

Dunno.

 

[Unorthodox]

Tobirama wins mid diff

Tobirama wins mid diff

Tobirama wins this mid/high diff

Tobirama wins this mid diff

Tobirama wins this mid/high diff

Tobirama wins this high diff

Pein wins this high diff

Tobirama wins this high diff most likely

Hell naw Deidara,Itachi,Obito,Pain Kisame, defeats him here

Yea, I agree. Tobirama can't counter C3 unless he goes completely out of character like putting a shadow clone in a far distance and using mutually instantaneous revolving tech with it to switch places. But again, I will agree and not go on far fetched OC tactics.

glad to see you take your L

Only problem is Obito for me

stop Deidara Kisame itachi Pain mops

 

[Joki Boi]

Lol, I'd love to hear how an ineffective shinobi like Deidara takes on Tobirama.

The fact is Sasori, Deidara, Kakuzu, Hidan were all blitzed by characters far slower than Tobirama. You can pretty much rule out these characters because of that fact.

 

[Voidstep]

1st - manga stated his edos are weaker, not useless xD

2nd - MS Obito can't beat Tobirama... is everyone forgetting FTG + reaction time, etc!?!?
FTG counters Kamui, it's a faster tech (than 1 eye kamui) and guys with the reaction time of Minato and Tobirama won't get caught
the problem here is that Tobirama might not be able to kill him either, since he doesn't have FTG V2... so IMO they darw
and water counters katon btw

by portrayal Tobirama should be able to almost clear it... he's the 2nd Hokage after all. and he's one of the smartest characters in NV
but by feats guess he'll only be able to beat around half of those guys

Extra: don't forget he's a Senju with large chakra reserves and able to make shadow clones (he invented it after all)... he's not as easy to put down as some people make it seem

 

[GodKage]

beats konan, sasori, deidara loses to everyone else