Tobirama Senju vs 7 Swordsmen of the Mist

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can he merk 7 kakashi level ninja with no intel and them having full intel. The 7 swordsmen are feared for a reason how is he going to dodge them all, he didn't want to f with the Gin-Kin squad Darui beat the Gin/Kin bros with ZERO intel effortlessly so their not that special and he's about part 1 kakashi level.

They played with Dairu and Plot allowed him to live. Then later on it took 2 DIVISIONS AND HALF OF GAARAS just to take out ONE BROTHER! And on top of that They lost to their own weapons with the smartest strategist ever and intel to help it happen. Dairu on his best day with 3 of him would get destroyed by one brother if they are serious in the sense they knew what was going on.
 

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DIdn't sneak up on him, don't know where you got that from. Plus the fact it was 2 vs 2 and a village. Not only did Tobirama get raped, The Raikage possibly died as well. While they Lived To know that Tobirama was killed later on.

Please do not Down play The brothers Of destruction! (WWE Reference! haha)

Well Tobirama and the Raikage were having peace negotiations right? Tobirama would have no reason to activate his sensory skills by kneading chakra. During a coup, it is usually custom to sneakily attack the leaders is it not? They got jumped more or less. xD

And I am not downing Kin or Gin. Together, they are beastly. Even alone they can solo quite a few note worthy people.
 

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Mr. Senju picks them off.. Power level difference is too high.
 

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Well Tobirama and the Raikage were having peace negotiations right? Tobirama would have no reason to activate his sensory skills by kneading chakra. During a coup, it is usually custom to sneakily attack the leaders is it not? They got jumped more or less. xD

And I am not downing Kin or Gin. Together, they are beastly. Even alone they can solo quite a few note worthy people.


A coup d'état (/ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/; French: blow of state; plural: coups d'état), also known as a coup, a putsch, or an overthrow, is the sudden deposition of a government,[1][2][3][4] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to depose the extant government and replace it with another body, civil or military. A coup d'état is considered successful when the usurpers establish their dominance. When the coup neither fails completely nor succeeds, a civil war is a likely consequence.

Not a "sneak/Surprise attack", more like planned attack. Whether Tobirama or the Raikage was ready didn't matter since they had Anbu who stay ready No matter the situation (like at the kage meeting). The fact that the Brothers left/lived and posibly got rid of 1 kage and badly injured the other while a village with anbu and Joinins every where should show how smart and powerful they are. The Raikage Himself wanted to Help Fight them.. That speaks Volumes!!! haha

I just don't like when PPL try to downplay their little feats. When they are Broken then a B'! Together or solo they are still monsters. Imagine if they would have stayed "Good guys" lol.
 

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Well Tobirama and the Raikage were having peace negotiations right? Tobirama would have no reason to activate his sensory skills by kneading chakra. During a coup, it is usually custom to sneakily attack the leaders is it not? They got jumped more or less. xD

And I am not downing Kin or Gin. Together, they are beastly. Even alone they can solo quite a few note worthy people.

Whenever the kages visit another country they take bodyguards with them, and if a sensor is available in their village, they take them, no kage goes unprotected
for example

Raikage took Shi (a sensor) with him
Danzo took Fuu (a sensor from yamanaka clan) with him
Mei took Ao (again a sensor) with her
First tsuchikage rook muu (again a sensor) with him

Tobirama also most definitely took bodyguards with him and a sensor from yamanaka clan with him

plus its impossible to attack unnoticed, sasuke was detected way before he reached anywhere near the kages, it was a surprise attack sure, but its not like they were able to hit tobirama and raikage from behind their backs
 

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Whenever the kages visit another country they take bodyguards with them, and if a sensor is available in their village, they take them, no kage goes unprotected
for example

Raikage took Shi (a sensor) with him
Danzo took Fuu (a sensor from yamanaka clan) with him
Mei took Ao (again a sensor) with her
First tsuchikage rook muu (again a sensor) with him

Tobirama also most definitely took bodyguards with him and a sensor from yamanaka clan with him

plus its impossible to attack unnoticed, sasuke was detected way before he reached anywhere near the kages, it was a surprise attack sure, but its not like they were able to hit tobirama and raikage from behind their backs

You don't know who Tobirama took first off, that is an assumption. Secondly Tobirama is a sensor, and a great one at that, so why would he bring another one with him? It seems as if there is one sensor per group. It is not impossible to attack unnoticed. They are ninja after all? Lol
 

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You don't know who Tobirama took first off, that is an assumption. Secondly Tobirama is a sensor, and a great one at that, so why would he bring another one with him? It seems as if there is one sensor per group. It is not impossible to attack unnoticed. They are ninja after all? Lol

But it wasn't a sneak attack, more like a planned attack. Big difference bruh.
 

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Only deranged Tobirama fanboys think that the kin/gin attack was a "surprise". First of all, the 2nd raikage was there. Plus there would obviously be other kumogokure jounins and bodyguards guarding the two of them.(as when 2 kages meet, it's a big deal.)
 

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You don't know who Tobirama took first off, that is an assumption. Secondly Tobirama is a sensor, and a great one at that, so why would he bring another one with him? It seems as if there is one sensor per group. It is not impossible to attack unnoticed. They are ninja after all? Lol

there is no rule as one sensor per team or group, yes tobirama is a sensor and a competent fighter himself but why do you think they take bodyguards with themselves?

gaara alone is more powerful than temari and kankuro combined
oonoki alone is more powerful than kurotsuchi and akatsuchi combined

they take body guards with themselves because they would be occupied with other activities while visiting other places, thats why they take bodyguards even though they probably can fight and sense better than them

yes kinkaku and ginkaku are ninjas, but the cloud village is also filled with ninjas

security is especially tight during such meetings

 

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considering zabuza almost killed kakashi(naruto had to warn him about the sword strike) and the 7 swordsmen of the mist are elite jounin who are known and feared all of them are going to be a handful, yet penguin tries to downplay them but gives credit to 20 unknown ninja who could or could not have included the Gin/Kin bros. It may have been 1, it may have been 2, or it may have been 0 we don't know. Tobirama fled despite having 2 possibly 3 kage level opponents on his side(Hiruzen who was promoted to Hokage, Danzo who is his rival, and Kagami Uchiha who is the father of Shisui Uchiha and is good enough for Tobirama to risk trusting despite his view on the Uchiha Clan.
 

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But it wasn't a sneak attack, more like a planned attack. Big difference bruh.

I know it is a planned attack, but do you really think Kin and Gin are stupid enough to go up to the kage, letting them know that they will merk them? Plus they were not criminals at the time (I believe), so they could have actually sucker punched them. This is all speculation, but until we see what really happened, who knows what did?

there is no rule as one sensor per team or group, yes tobirama is a sensor and a competent fighter himself but why do you think they take bodyguards with themselves?

gaara alone is more powerful than temari and kankuro combined
oonoki alone is more powerful than kurotsuchi and akatsuchi combined

they take body guards with themselves because they would be occupied with other activities while visiting other places, thats why they take bodyguards even though they probably can fight and sense better than them

yes kinkaku and ginkaku are ninjas, but the cloud village is also filled with ninjas

security is especially tight during such meetings


Back in Tobirama's day they only took one per though. And who is to say that one is a sensor? It could have been Sarutobi, who is not a sensor.
 

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How does he beat Suigetsu's brother who mastered all the seven swords? Lol

Whenever the kages visit another country they take bodyguards with them, and if a sensor is available in their village, they take them, no kage goes unprotected
for example

Raikage took Shi (a sensor) with him
Danzo took Fuu (a sensor from yamanaka clan) with him
Mei took Ao (again a sensor) with her
First tsuchikage rook muu (again a sensor) with him

Tobirama also most definitely took bodyguards with him and a sensor from yamanaka clan with him

plus its impossible to attack unnoticed, sasuke was detected way before he reached anywhere near the kages, it was a surprise attack sure, but its not like they were able to hit tobirama and raikage from behind their backs

I agree with the rest, but Sasuke was not detected before Zetsu announced his location. So stealth can be a factor.
 

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Yes let's all speculate about a fight we know nothing about. For all we know the betrayal could've happened at the last second. I fail to see how a Sensor could affect the result.
 

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Seven Swordsmen are strong but Kinkaku Team is strong as well. Not to mention there are Kinkaku and Ginkaku. And there is 18 more Shinobi. And Kakuzu is possibly one of them.
 
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