Tobirama=Minato

[ajpn920]

Good if you judge them equally. But hype and portrayal puts Tobirama in a different level.

hype and portrayal puts Tobirama in a different level

This is retarded. Only a fool or a dumbass like you would say. Give me Tobirama's hype that exceeds Minato's?

Minato's hype:

"I believe that only you [naruto] can surpass the Fourth Hokage.
~ Kakashi, The Legendary Copy Ninja of the Leaf.
"There was never a man that could surpass him [Fourth Hokage] "
~ The Legendary Raikage
"That unrivalled strength [Minato], that carefree smile.."
~ Masashi Kishimoto, Creator of Naruto.................
Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind.
~Jiraiya, the Legendary Sannin.

Tobirama's hype: ?????

Minato shits on Tobirama any day

 

[KingHashirama]

U dnt even knw how to use logic ...
I have already told u being dumb dosen't mean that he isn't smart and I have never said Tobirama is dumb...!
Tobirama said that even B4 Toads attack on Obito and he said that bcoz of Naruto's foolish action's..

Naruto is the one to notice Obito's weakness for the first time...!

See this Bottom left pannel Naruto noticed abt Obito's weakness

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now See his
Naruto analyzed the sittuation and comeup with an Idea (Top left pannel) and after that Tobirama noticed abt the attack(middle right)

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In the same Image u can Observe Naruto entering SM.....!

If u think what Tobirama did in these few chapters are Impressive feats ,Minato did the same thing more that one time in manga go and read Manga again.......


What manga have u been reading ..?

Do u knw the reason behind creation of Rasengan..?

Minato created Rasengan with an intention of combining it with his affinity and died b4 accomplishing that..!

U r a fool right he said that he had seen everything from Minato and it is completly false....!

I don't know how to use logic? Is this coming from the guy who is still telling me that I said Minato is dumber then Tobirama due to that scan.. even though i have already stated the scan was to nulify the point yall fanboys made of "Minato is smarter then Tobirama".. clearly Manga doesn't show he is smarter then Tobirama.

And why are you bringing Naruto into this? This convo has nothing to do with Naruto.. but as for that scan.. if you look carefully, Naruto was still observing, When Tobirama with 1 look figured it out.. . Basically they figured it out at the same time.. I'm not gonna continue arguing about this.. cause i'm not here for a Naruto vs Tobirama.


Show me where MINATO's REASON of creating Rasengan is stated.

 

[Cursed Prince]

More like the contrary U_U

1- It's already a mangafact that Minato has

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over Tobirama U_U

2-

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complimented

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over their quickness to act, so it's safe to assume that they have comparable reflexes, even illustrated

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. I do believe however that Minato still has the most impressive feats and hype in this category(compared to Raikage's reflexive speed in lightning armor and surpassed him by on-panel feats) U_U

3- Both have FTG, but Tobirama's use is too limited. Having no marked kunais, he can't teleport freely over the battlefield(on spread markings) like Minato can, which makes his use of FTG limited and thus can never really surprise an opponent except if he manages to mark him in close combat U_U

4- Tobirama's use of FTG is also limited to the fact that he can't teleport people

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like Minato can U_U

5- Minato also has more FTG variants:

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(teleport to a moving marking) or hax defensive

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U_U

6-

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have

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U_U

7- Tobirama has suiton? That's good, but we have yet to see Minato's

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he tried to add to his rasengan(would be laughable if it's suiton as well Lol) U_U

8- Tobirama has Edo-tensei? Nice, but it is too weak compared to the current era(Orochimaru's or Kabuto's), reason why it was mainly used for kamikaze attempts during missions. Minato's contract seal also even forbid him in the possibility of summoning it at all U_U

I think it's all we know concerning Tobirama so far?

And Minato still has:

- Rasengan(

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, basically

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) U_U

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coming from the Uzumaki clan some of them taught by his wife Kushina, others being variations(Shiki fujin, Hakke fuin, Shishou fuin and so on). U_U

- Great and powerful summoning toads who are arguably the best summons in the manga(they are well-versed in terms of ninjutsu, genjutsu and powerful taijutsu). U_U

- We also have yet to see his Rasen chourinbu kousanshiki he loudly talk about since these past few chapters U_U

Latest chapter also showed Minato being smarter than him. He thought about the impossibility of teleport all the Bijuudamas without even thinking about a way on

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(or another way). Tobirama seems more knowledgeable though U_U

2. Wroooooooooooongn!!!
Tobirama's reflexes > Minato's

He placed a seal on Juubito and an explosive tag (I think) During the instant he rushed him... so yeah U_U

4. He cant? Lol

8. You''re downplaying edo tensei. He would likely have many powerful senju in his arsenal

Minato
tobirama created FTG and Edo, so his seals are pretty damn good :|

His element doesnt matter, cuz he doesnt use it like that, his combat is heavily based on FTG

Oh, and FTG LvL2 isnt a real thing you ****ing idiot. So you're saying if someone was simply moving Tobirama wouldnt be able to teleport to him? Thats retarded, just like Minato -insert facepalm here-

 

[H a n]

They look like equals but I think Tobirama > Minato.

 

[Xāvî1]

No comments.....

 

[Avinash012]

I don't know how to use logic? Is this coming from the guy who is still telling me that I said Minato is dumber then Tobirama due to that scan.. even though i have already stated the scan was to nulify the point yall fanboys made of "Minato is smarter then Tobirama".. clearly Manga doesn't show he is smarter then Tobirama.

And why are you bringing Naruto into this? This convo has nothing to do with Naruto.. but as for that scan.. if you look carefully, Naruto was still observing, When Tobirama with 1 look figured it out.. . Basically they figured it out at the same time.. I'm not gonna continue arguing about this.. cause i'm not here for a Naruto vs Tobirama.


Show me where MINATO's REASON of creating Rasengan is stated.

U r useng this BS since u have no logical reason to put Tobirama above Minato..

Ur sayng that Tobirama is smart just bcoz he is coming up with Ideas faster than Minato and denyng when the same logic when it comes to Naruto....

Just telme the feats what make's u thik that Tobirama is better ..?

What is ur point of usng that scan as reference ..how could being called as dumb means that Minato is below Tobirama interms of smartness....

Read manga properly and here is ur scan

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2. Wroooooooooooongn!!!
Tobirama's reflexes > Minato's

He placed a seal on Juubito and an explosive tag (I think) During the instant he rushed him... so yeah U_U

4. He cant? Lol

8. You''re downplaying edo tensei. He would likely have many powerful senju in his arsenal

Minato
tobirama created FTG and Edo, so his seals are pretty damn good :|

His element doesnt matter, cuz he doesnt use it like that, his combat is heavily based on FTG

Oh, and FTG LvL2 isnt a real thing you ****ing idiot. So you're saying if someone was simply moving Tobirama wouldnt be able to teleport to him? Thats retarded, just like Minato -insert facepalm here-

He practically died more than one time and needed Hashirama's help to mark a brainless Obito while expecting an attack from Obito where as Minato did the same thing more than one time in Manga wihtout getng a single scratch ....

So Kishi is an Idiot to make a name like FTG v2 ..and ur BS logic >> Kishi...

 

[KingHashirama]

U r useng this BS since u have no logical reason to put Tobirama above Minato..

Ur sayng that Tobirama is smart just bcoz he is coming up with Ideas faster than Minato and denyng when the same logic when it comes to Naruto....

Just telme the feats what make's u thik that Tobirama is better ..?

What is ur point of usng that scan as reference ..how could being called as dumb means that Minato is below Tobirama interms of smartness....

Read manga properly and here is ur scan

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How is that not a logical reason?? lmaoo. Tobirama is a better scientist.... He is the creator of EDO TENSEI... something way more complicated then manipulating chakra.

I'm saying Tobirama is smarter, cause he feats.... Why are you claiming Minato to be smarter? Where the feats? Naruto isn't even part of the convo.. yet your getting butthurt and can't defend Minato.. so you decide to make Naruto part of the convo..

And how can you say after that scan, Minato is smarter then Tobirama? Is Minato smarter then Orochimaru also? no. Smarter then Tsunade? no... Smarter then Kabuto? no... Smarter then Tobirama? No...

Thank you for providing the scan. Now where is it stated he can use his affinity? Naruto can only use wind through Rasengan.... . Atleast, I'm not making up excuses....

 

[Cursed Prince]

U r useng this BS since u have no logical reason to put Tobirama above Minato..

Ur sayng that Tobirama is smart just bcoz he is coming up with Ideas faster than Minato and denyng when the same logic when it comes to Naruto....

Just telme the feats what make's u thik that Tobirama is better ..?

What is ur point of usng that scan as reference ..how could being called as dumb means that Minato is below Tobirama interms of smartness....

Read manga properly and here is ur scan

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He practically died more than one time and needed Hashirama's help to mark a brainless Obito while expecting an attack from Obito where as Minato did the same thing more than one time in Manga wihtout getng a single scratch ....

So Kishi is an Idiot to make a name like FTG v2 ..and ur BS logic >> Kishi...

He didnt need help to mark him :| In the time span Juubito speed blitz came close to him and passed him, he slapped a seal on him and an explosive tag, deal with it :|

And no, Minato is an idiot >_> Your logic is very shitty actually.

 

[Avinash012]

He didnt need help to mark him :| In the time span Juubito speed blitz came close to him and passed him, he slapped a seal on him and an explosive tag, deal with it :|

And no, Minato is an idiot >_> Your logic is very shitty actually.

u have no proof to say that he didn't placed a seal on Obito during his first counter and there is noway for Tobirama to touch Obito in that sittuation...Manga fact >> Ur BS

How is that not a logical reason?? lmaoo. Tobirama is a better scientist.... He is the creator of EDO TENSEI... something way more complicated then manipulating chakra.

I'm saying Tobirama is smarter, cause he feats.... Why are you claiming Minato to be smarter? Where the feats? Naruto isn't even part of the convo.. yet your getting butthurt and can't defend Minato.. so you decide to make Naruto part of the convo..

And how can you say after that scan, Minato is smarter then Tobirama? Is Minato smarter then Orochimaru also? no. Smarter then Tsunade? no... Smarter then Kabuto? no... Smarter then Tobirama? No...

Thank you for providing the scan. Now where is it stated he can use his affinity? Naruto can only use wind through Rasengan.... . Atleast, I'm not making up excuses....

Now that it is clear that U dnt knw how to read and understand...

Minato developed it to combine it with his affinity is Obviously mean that he does had an affinity ur the one that is makng excuses .....!

I never said that Minato is smarter than Tobirama nor Tobirama is smarter than Minato u dumbass ...Read all of my posts till now or ask some one to help u to understand it better .....

None of Tobirama's feats can put him above Minato and u dnt knw how to argue logically .....!

It dosen't mean that all of them can beat Minato just bcoz they have more tech's and knwledge....!

Orochimaru had more tech's and knwledge than Itachi but what is the result of thire battle's..?

Minato is smarter than Tsunade,Kabuto and Orochimaru .look at his accomplishments at such an Young age ..!

U can't say that Tobirama is smart just bcoz of these feats which are already shown by Minato more than one time in Manga...!

 

[KingHashirama]

u have no proof to say that he didn't placed a seal on Obito during his first counter and there is noway for Tobirama to touch Obito in that sittuation...Manga fact >> Ur BS

The last time he touched him :

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[Avinash012]

The last time he touched him :

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"Last time I touched him"..?

U didn't proved a thing by showng this scan.....Obito usng those shapes on his hand to attack Hashirama and Tobirama it is a mid range attack which Obviously mean that Tobirama can't touch Obito with his right hand since it is already distrotyed by Obito b4 Tobirama managed to touch him ...Tobirama marked Obito during his suicide attack and that was the first time Tobirama touching Obito....

 

[KingHashirama]

"Last time I touched him"..?

U didn't proved a thing by showng this scan.....Obito usng those shapes on his hand to attack Hashirama and Tobirama it is a mid range attack which Obviously mean that Tobirama can't touch Obito with his right hand since it is already distrotyed by Obito b4 Tobirama managed to touch him ...Tobirama marked Obito during his suicide attack and that was the first time Tobirama touching Obito....

Look at tobirama's left hand... lmao, the same hand that was used to implant the paper bombs.... so yes he was able to touch him ;]

 

[Tawleyn]

You're all looking at this the wrong way.

Look at the situation minato is in. When he died, he believed that Obito was dead and that he died protecting his friends, and sacrificed himself to make his friend stronger.

He's revived by edo and finds obito not only alive, but the worlds most dangerous villain it has yet to ever see. Even greater than Madara. Even greater than the Juubi, now. He's looking at a mirror of his complete failure as a teacher and as a hokage.

Haven't any of you guys noticed all the panels where he's completely distressed and confused about the situation? Why, when naruto figures out his weakness, Minato is over there asking himself why. Asking Obito why. He can't wrap his mind around what is going on.

Would you be able to focus in that kind of a situation? I don't think so.

However, upon seeing his son, his success in life, not only kicking obito's ass, but also defending his father's name even after being put through hell, he will regain his composure and seek to redeem himself rather than question why why why.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

We also already seen all of Minato's skills. You're saying they are equal and we haven't seen any of Tobirama's water jutsu yet, which is what he was really legendary for.

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We haven't seen all of Minato's arsenal yet. We've seen little to no seals from Minato, and these seals were apparently very effective in combat. It's very clear that there's other ninjutsu from Minato that we haven't seen.

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The fact that he hasn't used ninjutsu like that in a while indicates that he's almost never come across an opponent that could stop his basic skills(FTG ransengan). It has to be as strong of an offense as Tobirama's edo bombs if he were to even attempt to attack Obito.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He didnt need help to mark him :| In the time span Juubito speed blitz came close to him and passed him, he slapped a seal on him and an explosive tag, deal with it :|

And no, Minato is an idiot >_> Your logic is very shitty actually.

"Minato's an idiot"

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Sorry pal, but Kishimoto's giving both of them turns on who figures what out first. Minato's intelligence is at least equal to Tobirama's. On top of this, the time Tobirama figured out Obito's weakness was when Minato was focusing on talking to Obito, not fighting him.

Given your reasoning you must be either.

A. A troll

B. A Tobirama wanker

C. A Minato hater.

 

[tyltyl]

Taijutsu - Tobirama > Minato

Kenjutsu - Tobirama > Minato

Ninjnutsu - Tobirama > Minato

Genjutsu - Tobirama > Minato

Tobirama is simply Minato + Oro + Kisame.

Agreed! =D

 

[Cursed Prince]

"Minato's an idiot"

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Sorry pal, but Kishimoto's giving both of them turns on who figures what out first. Minato's intelligence is at least equal to Tobirama's. On top of this, the time Tobirama figured out Obito's weakness was when Minato was focusing on talking to Obito, not fighting him.

Given your reasoning you must be either.

A. A troll

B. A Tobirama wanker

C. A Minato hater.

I dont see what those scans are for :| anyway, he is, just like Naruto. He's smart, but dumb as **** at the same time U_U

 

[Touken]

Oh, this thread's back.

 

[Bogard]

2. Wroooooooooooongn!!!
Tobirama's reflexes > Minato's

He placed a seal on Juubito and an explosive tag (I think) During the instant he rushed him... so yeah U_U

He placed a seal on a mindless Juubito. While it's impressive, Minato has much more reflexives feats than Tobirama:

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And he has more hype on the category as well, being compared to Raikage's reflexive speed while holding lightning armor

Furthermore, you're showing a indirect comparison between both when i clearly showed a direct comparison between them on my post. Indirect comparison hardly shows a difference between 2 characters in a special category

4. He cant? Lol

Yes he can't. At least from what we've seen from him. If he could, he could have summoned Obito by his side for Naru-Sasu attack to work instead of going in the trouble of a combo attack with Minato not sure to work. Minato has shown the possibility to summon everyone connected to his chakra. Tobirama has yet to display such a feat

8. You''re downplaying edo tensei. He would likely have many powerful senju in his arsenal

We don't know that. You're the one trying to hyping that up with baseless assumptions

Minato
tobirama created FTG and Edo, so his seals are pretty damn good :|

FTG and Edo are not sealing techniques. Edo is a summoning variation when FTG is a teleportation based on summoning jutsu And don't even try to compare them in seals because Minato shits on him in this department

His element doesnt matter, cuz he doesnt use it like that, his combat is heavily based on FTG

Just like Tobirama. I don't remember him doing anything other than FTG in battle so far even in FBs

Oh, and FTG LvL2 isnt a real thing you ****ing idiot. So you're saying if someone was simply moving Tobirama wouldnt be able to teleport to him? Thats retarded, just like Minato -insert facepalm here-

You're the idiot here. FTG level2 exists. It's a teleportation to a moving marking. The retarded one is the guy who gives baseless feats to Tobirama just to make him look better than he is shown to be

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I dont see what those scans are for :| anyway, he is, just like Naruto. He's smart, but dumb as **** at the same time U_U

If you don't understand what those scans are for, you're actively trying not to. In which case, it's pointless to debate with you since you've come to a conclusion without solid backing and you won't admit that.