Tobirama is underwhelming?

[Tobby17]

After recent chapters, Tobirama has gotten feats to back up his hype at least to an extent.. And I've argued his case many times in versus threads.. However, today I was thinking, and even after all the feats he has shown, Edo Tensei and Hiraishin (that's about it really except you want to count shadow clones or a watered down suiton in part 1).. I've got this feeling that Tobirama feats/power is a bit underwhelming??

His Hiraishin is not as mobile as Minato's,(I won't comment on his Edo Tensei because his use of it is totally different and more effecitve IMO) But in the face of great danger, like against top top tier characters, how much of a fight can he really put up?, isn't he sort of underwhelming?

Say for example, what does he have to fight against Madara's Susanoo?, or Sasuke's Susanoo for that matter?.. What does he have against Hashirama's wood dragon?, or Naruto's BM??... (I'm excluding Obito bcoz well not many people can put up a fight against Obito without getting owned in less than a minute)...


I'm not asking for ''counters'', what I'm saying is he has nothing that even puts up a fight against such overwhelming powers, for example Sasuke could still put up a fight against Madara's PS (with his own Susanoo), even though he will get owned. Naruto for example has Bijuu dama's to fight against Hashi's wood dragon, or thousand hand buddah statue.. And Minato while he may not have anything to directly challenge this things, he has a very very mobile Hiraishin that would make it almost impossible for him to be touched. plus he has space time barrier which he can use to teleport stuff away.. (I think Tobirama has that too, but I'm not sure)...

Anyways, what are your thoughts?

 

[Nattana]

Tobirama is good, but he really lacks offensive power.
In P1 he'd be really powerful, but now, when offense is on another level, he seems kinda, well, weak.
I'm not hating, it's just the way it is.
And about his FTG, it's cool, but he still has to make contact with his opponents. He's not immortal and can be hit as well.

 

[Penguin]

His Hiraishin = Minato's. Speed wise. Minato's is only better due to the fact that he has Kunai prepped. Tobirama can mark a Kunai if he wanted to.

OT: He has nothing to break Susano'o. Wait till he gets some Suiton feats.

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama is good, but he really lacks offensive power.
In P1 he'd be really powerful, but now, when offense is on another level, he seems kinda, well, weak.
I'm not hating, it's just the way it is.
And about his FTG, it's cool, but he still has to make contact with his opponents. He's not immortal and can be hit as well.

ok, so you thought it would be nice to basically repeat what I said?:yeah:

 

[Xāvî1]

Tobirama is good, but he really lacks offensive power.
In P1 he'd be really powerful, but now, when offense is on another level, he seems kinda, well, weak.
I'm not hating, it's just the way it is.
And about his FTG, it's cool, but he still has to make contact with his opponents. He's not immortal and can be hit as well.

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Youre saying that to some one who has invented

FTG. Kagebunshin, ET. like kinjutsus. A Previous Hokage known to have killed the kin gin brother heh !!!!!!!

 

[Chīkara]

He can't even get trough susano'o ribcage.
Im still waiting for his suiton tho, but Thb tobirama
is not a fighter but a godly inventor.

just look at edo tensei, kagebunshin and ftg.

 

[Nattana]

ok, so you thought it would be nice to basically repeat what I said?:yeah:

Yeah. Guess our perception of this matter is kinda similar.

 

[Parrish]

I think it's fine, but maybe we'll see one more feat.

 

[Nattana]

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Youre saying that to some one who has invented

FTG. Kagebunshin, ET. like kinjutsus. A Previous Hokage known to have killed the kin gin brother heh !!!!!!!

I know he invented them. It doesn't change anything. He is good, his jutsu are good and interesting, but not really strong in terms of offense.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

His Hiraishin = Minato's. Speed wise. Minato's is only better due to the fact that he has Kunai prepped. Tobirama can mark a Kunai if he wanted to.

OT: He has nothing to break Susano'o. Wait till he gets some Suiton feats.

I'd say this FTG wise.


We have yet to see the Suiton Tobirama was noted with having, and his Edo Bombs are likely effective tools against large scale enemies. The size of the blast is underrated, but the point is that he can do that with a plethora of Edo Tensei summons.


Tobirama so far has been set up to fight in more of a one on one style, and with more of an accuracy/precision style as opposed to the overwhelming offense, and this gives him what feels like a limited arsenal against those who use OP techs like Naruto, Hashirama, and Madara.

 

[Penguin]

I know he invented them. It doesn't change anything. He is good, his jutsu are good and interesting, but not really strong in terms of offense.

Really now?

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That was with one edo. Imagine three or four.

 

[Troyg39]

His Hiraishin = Minato's. Speed wise. Minato's is only better due to the fact that he has Kunai prepped. Tobirama can mark a Kunai if he wanted to.

OT: He has nothing to break Susano'o. Wait till he gets some Suiton feats.

It's better because of that and the fact that Minato can mold his chakra to others with his chakra control, thus eliminating the need of a marking at all. Tobirama hasn't been shown to be able to do that

OT: Tobirama still can summon other edos, and thus he can do that paper bomb thing as well as use whatever edo summons he has to fight. He's pretty OP even without his suiton

 

[Nattana]

Really now?

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That was with one edo. Imagine three or four.

He was using himself as an Edo with unlimited chakra and with his opponent restrained by Hashirama.
When alive, he would have to watch out for himself not to get his by the blast as well.
Moreover, he banned Edo Tensei himself, so he's not using it at all.

 

[Penguin]

He was using himself as an Edo with unlimited chakra and with his opponent restrained by Hashirama.
When alive, he would have to watch out for himself not to get his by the blast as well.
Moreover, he banned Edo Tensei himself, so he's not using it at all.

He used it during the war. Madara said he cleared the battlefields. He is using it. Tobirama has a mark somewhere in the world he can teleport to once he does decide to let the edos go boom.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

I bet you didn't know this: Animals don't commit suicide.

More to the point, There is a possible "counter" for Susano'o. When the doujutsu caster uses Susano'o, there is a locus around the user. Basically meaning there's a good chunk of gap between the user and the Susano'o. If the doujutsu caster is marked by Tobirama/Minato, they are able to teleport inside that gap.

 

[Touken]

Actually, his most impressive feats are the ones which show his genius level intellect.

However, for offensive/defensive feats, wait for more.

Hopefully we see his Suiton in action in the upcoming chapters.

 

[Jcub]

So far we have not seen his array of offensive abilities. When you think about it, he is to smart to waste time and chakra on something he doesn't think will work. It's a wait and see, but it doesn't mean he can't. Much like Oro or Kakakshi with their bagillion jutsu, they only use whats relevant to the situation instead of trying to be a Jutsu MG being left without chakra in a matter of moments.

There is also the prospect that his gifts are not in direct combat (obviously he can to some degree based on his past and what him and the First grew up in), He maybe a superior Piccolo type character.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

He was using himself as an Edo with unlimited chakra and with his opponent restrained by Hashirama.
When alive, he would have to watch out for himself not to get his by the blast as well.
Moreover, he banned Edo Tensei himself, so he's not using it at all.

Considering Madara had knowledge of the Jutsu means that Tobirama has used it. And he mentioned he had a fighting style with it, and as such, his summons could do exactly what he did.

 

[Ovan]

His water based attacks might just be too dangerous to use in a battle with ninja all around.

 

[Nattana]

Considering Madara had knowledge of the Jutsu means that Tobirama has used it. And he mentioned he had a fighting style with it, and as such, his summons could do exactly what he did.

Ofc he used it. But later, for the reason of violating laws of nature, he banned it.

His water based attacks might just be too dangerous to use in a battle with ninja all around.

He showed 1 Suiton jutsu. Considering that he hasn't used any Suiton in the War arc yet and it's the best time to use your strongest techniques, I doubt that he has anything remarkable in that area.
Especially that it hasn't been even stated that's he's anything more than good at Suiton.