tobirama is the second strongest hokage

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You said she NEVER hit Madara. I proved she did.

I was clearly talking about a direct hit that caused damage. Try using your brain sometime.

-She hit him.
-He blocked.

Zero damage.
 

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I was clearly talking about a direct hit that caused damage. Try using your brain sometime.

-She hit him.
-He blocked.

Zero damage.

No. Tsunade DID destroy the real Madara's body. Did you see what a mokuton bunshin looks like when it gets destroyed? YEAH.
 

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No. Tsunade DID destroy the real Madara's body. Did you see what a mokuton bunshin looks like when it gets destroyed? YEAH.

lol, read the manga.

-She hits him.


-They seal the clone away.


-Real Madara comes out of the ground explaining that they sealed a clone.


1. The fact you think it was the real Madara means you think that they sealed away the real Madara, which is obviously not true if you read the manga, something you clearly can't do.

2. The fact you think it was the real Madara contradicts Madara's statement on how it was a Mokuton clone. Who is right here? A fan or Madara?

The manga is there, read it and get back to me.
 

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lol, read the manga.

-She hits him.


-They seal the clone away.


-Real Madara comes out of the ground explaining that they sealed a clone.


1. The fact you think it was the real Madara means you think that they sealed away the real Madara, which is obviously not true if you read the manga, something you clearly can't do.

2. The fact you think it was the real Madara contradicts Madara's statement on how it was a Mokuton clone. Who is right here? A fan or Madara?

The manga is there, read it and get back to me.

:| He must have lied. I mean, look at Hashirama's destroyed mokuton bunshin. It looks completely different when destroyed. When Madara's destroyed body looks just like every other edo tensei'd person when destroyed.

And stop being so rude all the time. :/
 

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:| He must have lied. I mean, look at Hashirama's destroyed mokuton bunshin. It looks completely different when destroyed. When Madara's destroyed body looks just like every other edo tensei'd person when destroyed.

My god, :| I can't believe I just read this.

He didn't lie, he stated a fact. He used a clone unless you think they sealed away the real Madara.
 

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My god, :| I can't believe I just read this.

He didn't lie, he stated a fact. He used a clone unless you think they sealed away the real Madara.

He could have become mobile just a second before they sealed him I guess. But I want you to explain me WHY it didn't look like a mokuton bunshin at all? Why was it like every other edo tendei's person?
 

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He could have become mobile just a second before they sealed him I guess. But I want you to explain me WHY it didn't look like a mokuton bunshin at all? Why was it like every other edo tendei's person?

He was regenerating and was put in a dead state. And he was inside a sand pyramid. He couldn't have escaped.

I don't know why it didn't look like a Mokuton clone, all I know is that it was a Mokuton clone.

-Manga showed it.
-Madara said it.
 

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He was regenerating and was put in a dead state. And he was inside a sand pyramid. He couldn't have escaped.

I don't know why it didn't look like a Mokuton clone, all I know is that it was a Mokuton clone.

-Manga showed it.
-Madara said it.

I just find it so suspicious that they actually look different. I mean given it's Madara he COULD have been fast enough to escape the sealing.
But yeah, this isn't going anywhere. :D
 

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Being someone's relative does not make someone equal or on par with power or skill.

Neji is clearly above Hinata's level.
Gaara is far stronger than his siblings.
Tsunade's brother(Nawaki) was never on par with her.
Tsunade is far weaker than Hashirama
Nagato and Karin are both Uzumakis; we all know who is stronger.
Izuna did not show much of feats and he was Madara's brother; also defeating him does not give much clue about Tobirama's overall arsenal; a featless shinobi against another borderline featless shinobi.

We need to see more of Tobirama in order to determine where is he in terms of power compared to other hokages; right no he is definetely not at the top half.
 

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I just find it so suspicious that they actually look different. I mean given it's Madara he COULD have been fast enough to escape the sealing.
But yeah, this isn't going anywhere. :D

No, Edos can't move while they are regenerating and he was inside a pyramid of sand, there is no escaping. We see the clone get sealed and then we see the real Madara come out and stab Tsunade.

Madara clearly said he used a clone.

Tsunade clearly says that Madara used a clone.


I've already shown that he used a clone multiple times yet you keep on denying the obvious, manga fact.
 

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No, Edos can't move while they are regenerating and he was inside a pyramid of sand, there is no escaping. We see the clone get sealed and then we see the real Madara come out and stab Tsunade.

Madara clearly said he used a clone.

Tsunade clearly says that Madara used a clone.


I've already shown that he used a clone multiple times yet you keep on denying the obvious, manga fact.

I believe what I see and you what you read. :| We can disagree about this. I see it as evidence that the destroyed body was completely different from a mokuton bunshin. ._. Leave me be.
 
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Lineage matters in a family. Even if same traits are not transferred completely from their(hashirama and tobirama) parents, atleast some are transferred. So, it wasn't a great different. So I'm not saying their feats are identical
 

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I believe what I see and you what you read. :| We can disagree about this. I see it as evidence that the destroyed body was completely different from a mokuton bunshin. ._. Leave me be.

-Been proved wrong.
-Disregards manga showing a clone being sealed and disregards multiple characters saying it was a clone.

Seems legit.
 

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-Been proved wrong.
-Disregards manga showing a clone being sealed and disregards multiple characters saying it was a clone.

Seems legit.

Explain the mokuton bunshin difference then. EXPLAIN IT. You must admit it's quite suspicious.
 

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Explain the mokuton bunshin difference then. EXPLAIN IT. You must admit it's quite suspicious.

There's no need to explain anything.

-Tsunade said it was a clone.
-Madara said it was a clone.
-We saw the clone get sealed.
-We saw the real Madara emerge from the Mokuton branch a second after the clone got sealed.

Manga states it was a clone. Manga shows that it was a clone.

It was a clone, this isn't debatable. Nothing you say about how it looked (which is trivial) will change this so you need to just deal with it.

If you are going to keep denying this as a way to make Tsunade look better, then I'm not even going to bother as the manga has spoken. At the end of the day, Manga Fact.>Your opinion.
 

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tobirama is far from the second strongest anything in narutoverse
 

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Tsunade is Hashirama's granddaughter, is borderline pathetic
you mean one of the strongest shinobis ever. shes only one tier below hashi


I'm speaking of when orochimaru resurrected the hokages through edo tensei,it was stated that the strongest have arrive
and yet the latest chapter calls obito the strongest
 
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