Tobirama is a genius level shinobi

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Much of this thread is speculative, so don't start flaming and saying that I said it was fact




Edo Tensei

A jutsu that brings back the dead, makes them immortal and regenerate, and also grants them an endless supply of chakra. I'm sure everyone agrees that this is one of the most OP Jutsu out there.

Tobirama invented this.........and he doesn't even have Dojutsu like Rinnegan that gave him this ability to bring back the dead.


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Space-Time Ninjutsu

Only a handful of people were shown to use this S/T

Obito got his from his MS and Minato has a similar jutsu that was most likely inspired by Tobirama

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Chronologically, Tobirama was the first one to use Space-Time and no other nin during his time or before that we know of had Space-Time Ninjutsu. So that means it's very possible that Tobirama invented Space/Time Ninjutsu

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Water Realease


Tobirama's nature affiliation, which is another thing he possess and excelled at. The only time we've seen him use Suiton was during his battle with Hiruzen as Edo Tensei.......

he wasn't even resurrected to near-full strength and managed to impress the Anbu with his suiton that time.

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Chakra Sensing


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Again, much like his Space-Time ninjutsu, chronologically he was he one of the first to possess chakra sensing that we know of.

The only other person that had Chakra-Sensing ability during his time was Mu, but considering we don't know who's older, we can't compare timelines.

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It's debatable who had acquired it first, but so far we know no one before them that had it(without Dojutsu) which could again suggest that one of them invented it, but one thing we do know is that Tobirama was adept at sensing even as a child.

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Kage Bunshin

Just about every Kage-Bunshin user from the Naruto(manga, not anime) was from Konoha
  • Naruto
  • Minato
  • Jiraiya
  • Itachi
  • Hayate Gekko
  • Hiruzen
  • Kiba
  • Orochimaru
  • Konohamaru


The forbidden scroll which Naruto read and obtained Kage-Bunshin was from Konoha

Tobirama was the first to use Kage-Bunshin from Konoha

again, this may suggest that he invented it

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On a side note:
Hashirama used mokuton clones, not Kage-Bunshin. Mokuton Clones are part of his kekkai genkai





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Thus leading to my conclusion, Tobirama invented Edo Tensei, which is considered to be one of the deadliest jutsu of all time.

He was also one of the first to utilize chakra sensing and Space-time ninjutsu which would also suggest that he could have invented them as well.

Point is, most shinobi take their whole lifetime to invent one jutsu whereas Tobirama possibly invented 4 or at least 2(space-time and edo tensei)

it is probably even harder to invent jutsu that are not even within one's nature affiliation or granted by Dojutsu or Kekkei Genkai






some examples:

Third Kazekage created iron sand(with kekkei genkai)
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Fourth Kazekage created gold dust(with kekkei genkai)
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Minato created Rasengan
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Third Raikage created Black Lightning
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Sasori created human puppets
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AlphaScythian

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Yeah isnt that bad now that we got something.
 

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His power is Frail compared to Mighty Naruto San who is only 16
 

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Nice deduction. I agree with all points!
 

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His power is Frail compared to Mighty Naruto San who is only 16

this has absolutely nothing to do with power

Naruto only invented 1 jutsu(rasenshuriken) which was initially a rasengan that his dad invented
 

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Yeah, definitely. He was able to counter Obito's explosive, mark Obito without him knowing (albeit he was behaving like a retard), stay one step ahead of him, and managed to execute an attack which actually landed on him. Tobirama is definitely a genius, one of the smartest yet.
 
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Let kishi show more of his feats, now we will surely see more from tobirama and minato, they are up against obito.
 

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Yea tobi is kinda a genius he did established the hidden leaf and there ninja rankings so he is a master ninjustu
 

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Agreed, but the only reason why the water jutsu impressed the Anbu was because there wasn't a source of water nearby. It's not so impressive when compared with Part 2 feats
 

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Agreed, but the only reason why the water jutsu impressed the Anbu was because there wasn't a source of water nearby. It's not so impressive when compared with Part 2 feats

yeah I know, but he also wasn't resurrected with much of his power.

If we compare part 1 edo Hashirama to part 1 edo Hashirama, there is a huuuuge difference in scale

So the same would be said for Tobirama.....my point was that even with his handicap, he still managed to impress and that he excels at what he does.



Good thread and great read

Thank You! :)
 

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<3 You too!
yeah I know, but he also wasn't resurrected with much of his power.

If we compare part 1 edo Hashirama to part 1 edo Hashirama, there is a huuuuge difference in scale

So the same would be said for Tobirama.....my point was that even with his handicap, he still managed to impress and that he excels at what he does.
What I mean was, the only impressive factor was the lack of water source. While he could probably make more impressive suiton jutsu now, that really isn't something to classify him a Genius by. The rest? Yes. But that is sort of. . Not an impressive thing anymore
 

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Very good thread. Plus rep ;) (Finally, someone who is able to speak about Tobirama with solid facts in a non biased way. You sound like neither a fanboy, or a hater and the things you have said are legit).

Good work.
 

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Very good thread. Plus rep ;) (Finally, someone who is able to soeak about Tobirama with solid facts in a non biased way. You sound like neither a fanboy, or a hater and the things you have said ate legit).

Good work.

thanks, I'm glad you think so :)
 
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