[VS] Tobirama and Jiraiya vs Kisame and Itachi

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That translation is the VIZ?
Proof?

Not in the slightest.

I don't know who said they won't be able to beat Naruto. I said Itachi was scared of the Kyuubi inside Naruto...you know the Tailed Beast?

I will send them to you when I find them because I don't have them now.

itachi has the MS, you know, the eyes that can control the beast?
Kisame the guy who was called to be the perfect opponent against the jins? You know, the guy who went alone against perfect jin?
 

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He's right. Tobirama is faster than all of them. He's not just going to stand there and let Kisame give Itachi chakra. Don't be ignorant. And even if they are able to do it, Kisame would be without a sword for a while and Jiraiya can finish him off before he can heal himself. The way I see it is Kisame is kinda screwed on using his water globe because both Jiraiya and Tobirama are both fine in water. Tobirama beingh the suiton master and Jiraiya having huge toads he can summon. Itachi on the other hand doesn't have anything much he can do in the water. He has weak suiton attacks. Again, Kisame can't touch Tobirama because hes too slow to keep up with him and Itachi wouldn't get Tobirama in any genjutsu because #1 he's also too slow and Tobirama has plenty of experience fighting the two most powerful Uchihas of all time, Itachi isn't any different. Kisame also can't absorb Jiraiya's chakra if hes in sage mode. So Kisame has to rely on his Taijutsu and/or suiton attacks which aren't enough to beat someone who has frog Katas and movement perception that rivals the sharingan in sage mode. It's already been proven that Susanoo cant block out sound so frog song takes Itachi out or goemon can melt Itachi's Susanoo because Yata mirror only blocks and doesn't absorb so goemon will melt it like Mei's lava melted Sasuke's. I just don't see Kisame and Itachi winning.

No, he's not right. These scenarios don't go as you two wish them to go. First of all, none of these four characters are emotionless robots, meaning that just like in EVERY last fight in this manga and numerous other mangas, there will be a lot of talk where none of these characters will be attacking each other and neither of the characters in team 1 have intel on Samehada's ability to share Chakra so during these talks and when they re-group to prepare for a second attack, Kisame can share his Chakra. More so, they can share Chakra once Kisame puts up the WD or Itachi casts a Genjustu on either of the characters in team 1. Kisame wouldn't be without a sword for a while, that's non-sense. It will take a second or two for Kisame to transfer some of the Chakra to Itachi and keep on fighting. They'll stick together and work together and they definitely will not be separated like you two wish them to be and let me guess, Jiraiya and Tobirama can separate these two despite them being on the same level as Jiraiya and Tobirama and despite Itachi's intellect which is most likely above both Jiraiya's and Tobirama's. Don't care about the Tobirama has experience fighting two Uchihas like Madara and Izuna. Neither of these use Genjutsu in the same way Itachi does nor do they have comparable feats to the Genjutsu feats Itachi possesses. No matter what oponent, they have always been caught in Itachi's Genjutsu. Nothing changes here.

Yata doesn't block, it repells any attack by changing it's properties to those of that attack and negating it. Whatever is classified as a technique with properties or as an attack will be negated. Itachi and Kisame can camp in Susano'o while Kisame is sharing his Chakra with Itachi. Sound? It's an attack and it has properties, meaning it can be negated by Yata or Itachi can simply use Crow Explosions so he could cause shockwaves that would get rid of the sound. More so, if either of these two get caught underwater and Itachi uses Crow explosions there, water shockwaves will be created which can kill both of these instantly. Kisame can absorb Senjutsu. He won't turn into a frog or anything unless the amount of Senjutsu he absorbed is more than the amount of Chakra pool he had to begin with.

Team 1 takes it with low difficulty? This is why I don't like Jiraiya/Tobirama/Minato/Kakashi fans. They are biased (excluding some) and never even acknowledge that their enemy has a chance against them.
 

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I will send them to you when I find them because I don't have them now.

itachi has the MS, you know, the eyes that can control the beast?
Kisame the guy who was called to be the perfect opponent against the jins? You know, the guy who went alone against perfect jin?

Actually a 3T can control the beast, but has Itachi ever shown to be able to control something like the Kyuubi? This is a legit question since I do not know a lot about Itachi.
Killer B? Killer B had to protect his friend during that whole fight, so not a great example.
 

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No, he's not right. These scenarios don't go as you two wish them to go. First of all, none of these four characters are emotionless robots, meaning that just like in EVERY last fight in this manga and numerous other mangas, there will be a lot of talk where none of these characters will be attacking each other and neither of the characters in team 1 have intel on Samehada's ability to share Chakra so during these talks and when they re-group to prepare for a second attack, Kisame can share his Chakra. More so, they can share Chakra once Kisame puts up the WD or Itachi casts a Genjustu on either of the characters in team 1. Kisame wouldn't be without a sword for a while, that's non-sense. It will take a second or two for Kisame to transfer some of the Chakra to Itachi and keep on fighting. They'll stick together and work together and they definitely will not be separated like you two wish them to be and let me guess, Jiraiya and Tobirama can separate these two despite them being on the same level as Jiraiya and Tobirama and despite Itachi's intellect which is most likely above both Jiraiya's and Tobirama's. Don't care about the Tobirama has experience fighting two Uchihas like Madara and Izuna. Neither of these use Genjutsu in the same way Itachi does nor do they have comparable feats to the Genjutsu feats Itachi possesses. No matter what oponent, they have always been caught in Itachi's Genjutsu. Nothing changes here. That's useless since all they have to do is use Genjutsu Kai. The rest of your post just shows you being completely biased to Team 2.

Yata doesn't block, it repells any attack by changing it's properties to those of that attack and negating it. Whatever is classified as a technique with properties or as an attack will be negated. Itachi and Kisame can camp in Susano'o while Kisame is sharing his Chakra with Itachi. Sound? It's an attack and it has properties, meaning it can be negated by Yata or Itachi can simply use Crow Explosions so he could cause shockwaves that would get rid of the sound. More so, if either of these two get caught underwater and Itachi uses Crow explosions there, water shockwaves will be created which can kill both of these instantly. Kisame can absorb Senjutsu. He won't turn into a frog or anything unless the amount of Senjutsu he absorbed is more than the amount of Chakra pool he had to begin with.

Team 1 takes it with low difficulty? This is why I don't like Jiraiya/Tobirama/Minato/Kakashi fans. They are biased (excluding some) and never even acknowledge that their enemy has a chance against them.
I was preparing my counter but then I saw you state Yata repels Sound Genjutsu. Your entire post just shows you being completely biased to Team 2 while clearly not taking the abilities of Team 1 into account.
 

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Jiraiya's at a downside here. He doesn't have much of a chance against Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi, nor can his teammate negate the effects.

It'd be more fair if he started fused with Ma and Pa.
 

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I was preparing my counter but then I saw you state Yata repels Sound Genjutsu.

Don't worry. I wouldn't have replied to you anyways. Reason? Take a look at the last statement in that post. Also, don't bother replying to this either because I don't plan on getting into an argument that I do not care about enough for me to actually argue about it.
 

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Don't worry. I wouldn't have replied to you anyways. Reason? Take a look at the last statement in that post. Also, don't bother replying to this either because I don't plan on getting into an argument that I do not care about enough for me to actually argue about it.
I'm sorry, I wasn't the one who prepared a wall of text just showing complete bias towards a team. Oh, you don't care enough about it? Please tell me how long it took you to write those tiny paragraphs.
 

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Your entire post just shows you being completely biased to Team 2 while clearly not taking the abilities of Team 1 into account.

Don't act smart. My post didn't cover anything aside from a mere counter to the guy's argument so there's no wonder that it didn't cover anything else. I didn't cover team 1's abilities either. Just a couple of them like I did with team 1's abilities.
 

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IMO , Kisame can deal with Tobirama , and beat him high diff , while Itachi and Jiraiya , Tsukuyomi and Susano'o ends him .
 
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A fight is a brewing, Shura versus Touken.

Hoshigaki-saan has his money on the wood wanker.
 

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A fight is a brewing, Shura versus Touken.

Hoshigaki-saan has his money on the wood wanker.
Which one's the wood wanker?

But I'm not gonna get into it, it'd just be completely pointless.
 

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IMO , Kisame can deal with Tobirama , and beat him high diff , while Itachi and Jiraiya , Tsukuyomi and Susano'o ends him .

You think Kisame beats Tobirama? How so if you don't mind me asking.
 

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I'm sorry, I wasn't the one who prepared a wall of text just showing complete bias towards a team. Oh, you don't care enough about it? Please tell me how long it took you to write those tiny paragraphs.

And THIS is exactly what I told you that I do not care about enough for me to get into an actual argument. I did NOT say that I do not care about the match-up itself. Do not twist my words. I stated that I do not care enough for me to get into a personal argument. However, unfortunately, you had to go act smart and reply with something like ''I was preparing a counter, but then I saw you state that Yata counters Sound Genjutsu''. If you tried replying with something else, I would have replied with an argumentation as well despite the statement in my reply to you which was used only for me to return the same type of reply you gave me.

Like I said, I don't care about these type of conversations so I surely won't stick around to waste my time on them right now. Especially since I know how these type of conversations go.


Touken would easily beat SHura.

Someone else should take Shura's place i want a real debate not a slaughter fest.

Yet you stated ''Shura would rape *insert username here*'' numerous times. Why? Merely because you agreed with my conclusion. You're doing the same thing here so I apologize, however your statement doesn't affect me.
 
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And THIS is exactly what I told you that I do not care about enough for me to get into an actual argument. I did NOT say that I do not care about the match-up itself. Do not twist my words. I stated that I do not care enough for me to get into a personal argument. However, unfortunately, you had to go act smart and reply with something like ''I was preparing a counter, but then I saw you state that Yata counters Sound Genjutsu''. If you tried replying with something else, I would have replied with an argumentation as well despite the statement in my reply to you which was used only for me to return the same type of reply you gave me..
Oh, I assure you, I wasn't acting smart. You just weren't doing yourself any favours.
 

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Giving Itachi, Pissame, of all people was a dangerous move. Those two together are monsters, Itachi's chakra and stamina problems are cleared. Make Jiraiya start in SM, otherwise Itachi and Pissame take this medium difficulty.
 

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If my statement didn't effect you why fvcking respond? Pr1ck take your smart ass self out of here asap.

Why? Because your post was aimed at me unless you think I should have just stayed quiet and let you talk about me like you want. Me replying to you doesn't mean that the post ''affected me''. However, like I said, I have no interest in these type of conversations especially since you never have a serious conversation with me to begin with and it's hard for me to tell if you're trolling, joking or being serious. I'm out.
 
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