[VS] Tobirama and Jiraiya vs Kisame and Itachi

[Penguin]

Damn. That just happened. u.u

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Can Tobirama use Kisame's water source?

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Team 2 wins.

 

[Ababeel]

Actually a 3T can control the beast, but has Itachi ever shown to be able to control something like the Kyuubi? This is a legit question since I do not know a lot about Itachi.
Killer B? Killer B had to protect his friend during that whole fight, so not a great example.

- Nah, I itachi stated the MS can control Kurama. However, if the MS was activated the first time, the 3T then can control Kurama, or
that how I see it at least.

- It does not matter, he is still perfect to fight the jins, and he did not only fought B, but he defeated Roshi as well before, alone.

So, the matter of the fact is both of them have the jins' weaknesses, not to mention itachi has the Amatersu as well which work against
the Bijuu like when Sasuke did it against the 8tails.

As for the translation, what I found for now

sheetz's translation

Chapter 144 Page 9
アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ分かりませんよ・・・
He could probably take you, although I'm not sure about me...

次元が違う。
He's on another level.

ああ・・・
Yeah...
やり合えば二人共殺されるか
If we fought him either you and I would both be killed,
よくて相打ちというところ
or at best it would be a draw.

たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう
It wouldn't change things even if we had more people.

ラーメン屋でやっと見つけてはいいが・・・
It's good we spotted (Naruto) at the ramen shop...

お守り　が　あの“伝説の三忍”とは
but the babysitter, being one of the Legendary Sannin,...
彼が相手では“木ノ葉のうちは一族”も“霧の忍び刀人衆”の名もかすんでしまう
with him as an opponent the names of the Konoha Uchiha Clan and the Swordsmen of the Mist will be completely overshadowed.
ああしかし・・・・
Yeah, but...
どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ・・・
No matter how strong the opponent there will be a weak spot.

ShounenSuki's Translation:

Kisame:
「アナタならどうにかこうにかやれる相手でも私じゃあ 分かりませんよ…」
「次元が違う」
"You might be able to somehow defeat him, but me, well I don't know..."
"Our levels are too far apart"

Itachi:
「ああ…やり合えは二人共殺されるか良くて相打ちというところ」
「…たとえ人数を増やしたとしても変わらないだろう」
"Yeah... If we fought him, we might both be killed. If it goes well, we might take him with us."
"Even if the number of people were to increase, this probably wouldn't change"

Kisame
「ラーメン屋で　やっと見付けたはいいが…お守りが　あの゛伝説の三忍゛とは」
「彼が相手では゛木ノ葉のうちは一族゛も゛霧の忍刀七人衆゛の名もかすんでしまう」
"It was good we finally found them by the ramen store, but... his guardian is of those 'Legendary Three Ninja' "
"He, as an opponent, makes 'Konoha's Uchiha clan' and the 'Seven Shinobi Swordmen of the Mist' seem like nothing."

Itachi:
「ああ…しかし……」
「どんな強者にも弱点というのがあるものだ……」
"Yes... However......"
"No matter how strong a person is, he is bound to have a weakness..."

When I asked takl (a translator on NF, and he's native Japanese speaker) he also said

dif jman.

I'm sorry, there others, but I'm tired of searching. U_U

 

[Joker]

And THIS is exactly what I told you that I do not care about enough for me to get into an actual argument. I did NOT say that I do not care about the match-up itself. Do not twist my words. I stated that I do not care enough for me to get into a personal argument. However, unfortunately, you had to go act smart and reply with something like ''I was preparing a counter, but then I saw you state that Yata counters Sound Genjutsu''. If you tried replying with something else, I would have replied with an argumentation as well despite the statement in my reply to you which was used only for me to return the same type of reply you gave me.

Like I said, I don't care about these type of conversations so I surely won't stick around to waste my time on them right now. Especially since I know how these type of conversations go.



Yet you stated ''Shura would rape *insert username here*'' numerous times. Why? Merely because you agreed with my conclusion. You're doing the same thing here so I apologize, however your statement doesn't affect me.

If my statement didn't effect you why fvcking respond? Pr1ck take your smart ass self out of here asap.

Why? Because your post was aimed at me unless you think I should have just stayed quiet and let you talk about me like you want. Me replying to you doesn't mean that the post ''affected me''. However, like I said, I have no interest in these type of conversations especially since you never have a serious conversation with me to begin with and it's hard for me to tell if you're trolling, joking or being serious. I'm out.

Come back to me when your not on your menstrual cycle. Its obviously effected you since your still going on about it you replying to me is just further proving my point. You say you have no interest in this convo yet you bounce right back, stick to the shit you post Jesus Christ.

Can we not?

 

[miromiro]

Team 1 stomps.

 

[Conspirator.]

Team 2 shits on them.

 

[eagle8]

TObirama & Jiraiya wins mid diFf.

 

[Conspirator.]

I was preparing my counter but then I saw you state Yata repels Sound Genjutsu. Your entire post just shows you being completely biased to Team 2 while clearly not taking the abilities of Team 1 into account.

What a moronic post. The yata mirror is stated to deflect ANY attack by changing it's properties in the databook.(and no, it's not just elemental attacks as most people wrongly believe) The onus of proof is on you to show that it won't work on sound genjutsu.(As that goes agaisnt the databook) And no, he wasn't being biased as he was responding to someone who talked about nothing but team 1 genius...

 

[Spymoon]

Team 2 wins this. I hardly see this debatable. Itachi>jiraiya. His fans have nothing but that scan in part 1 in the hope of proving otherwise. Provided ET is restricted, kisame>tobirama.

 

[Touken]

What a moronic post. The yata mirror is stated to deflect ANY attack by changing it's properties in the databook.(and no, it's not just elemental attacks as most people wrongly believe) The onus of proof is on you to show that it won't work on sound genjutsu.(As that goes agaisnt the databook) And no, he wasn't being biased as he was responding to someone who talked about nothing but team 1 genius...

Hey, look, there's another one of them that thinks Yata Mirror can become soundproof.

 

[Conspirator.]

Hey, look, there's another one of them that thinks Yata Mirror can become soundproof.

Nope, it literally changes it's properties to nullify and REPEL the attack. That's precisely how the yata mirror works as stated in the databook(don't blame me-kishi wrote it) So unless you can prove otherwise, I am right and you are a 100% wrong. Only deranged idiots think otherwise.

 

[Touken]

Nope, it literally changes it's properties to nullify and REPEL the attack. That's precisely how the yata mirror works as stated in the databook(don't blame me-kishi wrote it) So unless you can prove otherwise, I am right and you are a 100% wrong. Only deranged idiots think otherwise.

Only deranged idiots believe in the no limit fallacy.

 

[Conspirator.]

Only deranged idiots believe in the no limit fallacy.

nope, what I said is a 100% true-unless you can disprove it. It's already been shown in the manga than wind style attacks can repel sound genjutsu.(reread temari vs tayuya if you don't believe me) And guess what-the yata mirror is endowed with all 5 nature transformations(again read the databook if you don't believe me) This combined with the fact that the yata mirror changes it's properties to repel any attack-the sound genjutsu gets repelled. Like I said, only deranged idiots think that jiraiaya's sound genjutsu gets through the yata mirror...

 

[Touken]

nope, what I said is a 100% true-unless you can disprove it. It's already been shown in the manga than wind style attacks can repel sound genjutsu.(reread temari vs tayuya if you don't believe me) And guess what-the yata mirror is endowed with all 5 nature transformations(again read the databook if you don't believe me) This combined with the fact that the yata mirror changes it's properties to repel any attack-the sound genjutsu gets repelled. Like I said, only deranged idiots think that jiraiaya's sound genjutsu gets through the yata mirror...

lmao, negating Fuuton =/= negating Sound Genjutsu. Unless you're implying Yata Mirror would actually attack with Fuuton, which I'm hoping you're not.

 

[Conspirator.]

lmao, negating Fuuton =/= negating Sound Genjutsu. Unless you're implying Yata Mirror would actually attack with Fuuton, which I'm hoping you're not.

Um what? I said that fuuton repels sound genjutsu.(Manga fact) The yata mirror changes it's properties to nullify and repel any physical, astral or elemntal attack. Fact. It's common sense. That's how broken the yata mirror is.(Only itachi haters try and downplay it.) The truth is there's a reason kishi gave the yata mirror to itachi-as his stamina is shit and he can't maintain it for long. If you give this weapon to someone like EMS Madara, he would be virtually unstoppable. And sorry for the insults btw, probably shouldn't have done it...

 

[Touken]

We're not going to change each other's mind on this, so there's no point continuing with this debate.

I'm pretty sure there's a thread dedicated to the limits of Yata Mirror, I'll try to find it.

 

[Avinash012]

Too close I can't even decide . IMO Jiraya > Kisame and Tobirama </= Itachi.

I guess Tobirama and Jiraya wins this.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was preparing my counter but then I saw you state Yata repels Sound Genjutsu. Your entire post just shows you being completely biased to Team 2 while clearly not taking the abilities of Team 1 into account.

Lol, he's not supposed to cover team 1. Its the job of anyone supporting Team 1 to do that.

 

[Touken]

Lol, he's not supposed to cover team 1. Its the job of anyone supporting Team 1 to do that.

No, it was different. He was just simply stating Itachi's abilities, not explaining how they'd be effective against Team 1 IIRC.