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[TobiIsYourMom]

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Tobi is sasuke and itachi's father. Think about it he has to be strong he's father are rated in the top 10 list of strongest ninja. I know what ppl will say "oh we saw him die!" be we also saw zabuza "die" then come back. There's genjutsus, shadow clone, zetsu clone that. Pile make that happen.
Then ppl say sasuke's eye burnt tobi when he showed him he's eye Kakashi saw he's sharingan with he's mask on itachi's plan was too hide he's face because it's there dad! Sorry I didn't post pics from the manga on phone and new here

What actual proof do you have of this? There is way too much disproving the possibility of Tobi being Fugaku then there is to prove it. EH doesn't look a thing like tobi. Plus, he wouldn't be old enough. Why would he show Sasuke part of his face if Sasuke would recognize him. if he wanted to be recognized then why didn't he tell Sasuke already? And, if Tobi WAS Fugaku, then why wouldn't Sasuke recognize him? Plus, how could Fugaku grow his hair to how long Tobi's was during the massacre in such a short time? Why did he organize a coup for the Uchiha to overtake the village and then just suddenly kill off all the other Uchiha, only to defeat the purpose of what he originally meant to do? Nothing adds up. THEORY DISPROVED

....Did I sound a bit harsh there?:shrug:....lolxd

 

[Stark]

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Either Madara's son, or so6p son

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

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If it was the Juubi, why would he be pissing his pants when kabuto raised up the 6th coffin? jw

 

[Sonin]

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Woah woah woah..Why isn't tobi an option. Just a crazy power driven man.

 

[Avani]

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Woah woah woah..Why isn't tobi an option. Just a crazy power driven man.

There is : 'someone other than these' option- that covers Tobi option. Those who believe that do not post theories.

 

[FizzyDrink]

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OK. This has been explained many many times, but Tobi CANNOT be Obito, the timeline does not match, there is no motive, and the looks themselves don't match (from what we've seen, Tobi looks quite old when he should be Kakashi's age). Also, any way for him to have escaped is COMPLETE bull, why would Zetsu save an Uchiha who no longer have a functioning sharingan from death? Kakashi was the one with the sharingan, should have gone for him....
Tobi is NOT Obito.

Moving on.

I was wondering about Kagami, could somebody link me the page in the manga where he appears? Remember, if he does not appear in the manga itself, it can never be him.

The Shisui theory shouldn't be true for reasons like the Obito one, mainly because of the age problem, where Shisui should be just a little older than Itachi, but Tobi is clearly far older. Also, Shisui's dead body was supposedly found and whatnot, but there is the strange fact that his body was not used in edo tensei...The Shisui theory is better than the Obito one, but it's still one of the least possible ones.

It can't be Itachi/Sasuke's father, mainly because the timeline doesn't match, he is too young, and Tobi assisted in the killing of the clan, so it can't be him, especially since Sasuke saw him die.

The elder brother just seems too far-fetched because there seems to be no way he could live that long.

The Zetsu clone of Madara doesn't work in my opinion because of Tobi's space-time techniques, so far Madara hasn't shown anything of the kind, and he has had plenty of opportunities to, which leads me to believe he can't, and so Tobi shouldn't be some clone thing unless Madara shows space-time abilities. And if he does, then this one becomes one of the most likely for sure.

In reality, all these theories are hard to find any basis. All we really know is that Madara was planning this from since he was alive, so the person has to be old. Which leads me to believe it is either just some other guy called Tobi with impressive abilities, or Izuna/an Izuna-Zetsu reincarnation. Izuna was shown in his coffin, but there is a possibility that that was a fake (like Kisame's). The timeline fits, the old-ness fits, the motive could easily fit, and the fact that there are new techniques fit. So Izuna is in my opinion one of the better theories. Which just goes to show how bad they all are...

 

[NewNarrutoFans]

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FINALLY! I just finished removing Tobi's wrinkles on paint. So, here's the finished pics if you want to see them:

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From this, we can tell that his face easily looks like either Kagami or Obito, leaving those as the only two he could be.

He Look like elder version of Naruto to me :whoa:

 

[Maunten]

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OBITOS FATHER!!



Ok so I made a thread on this but it got closed before it couldd get relatively well populated, I got a link to this thread, so here is the theory

Firstly appearance we do not know what tobi's father looks like but what we do know is that people in naruto look a lot like their parents.

Kakashi & Kakashi's father

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Shikamaru & Shikamaru's father

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So we can safely assume that parent and child at least have the same hair.

Next


The attack on Konoha occurred after Obito's death, so if Tobi is obito's father he has motive for his whole mission.

If tobi is obito's father he obviously brought his son up with good values, which may stem from the respect he has for the 1st.

I will give my reasons with pictures which point toward Obito's father as the culprit based on the attack and events that follow.

Firstly

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Immediately the nine tails spots minato, minato was the leader of obito's team
he should have looked after obito, and may be viewed as part of a sinister plan responsible for obito's death as far as obito's father is concerned.

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Minato acknowledges being spotted, he is immediately attacked with a powerful TBB, the nintails could have attacked anywhere else to destroy the village and make it harder for minato to reach the TBB to send it away.

It did not because the user was enraged by the mere view of minato and attacked.

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When that fails Tobi personally attacks minato.




Tobi taking off his mask to show danzo, danzo is notorious for sending ninja on missions that are frowned upon, sabotaging the nin from his own village, and sending them to kill one another.

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Obito's father may have found that danzo set this whole mission up, and wanting to confront danzo, he begun removing his mask, to show his face to the man he would destroy, the man who sent his son on a mission that would end his life.


LASTLY



Tobi's warp skill is a skill unique to the mangekyo sharingan which he shares with kakashi

Tobi Warping

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Kakashi Warping Deidara

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It shows that kakashi and tobi have the same warping skill, if obito had grown up he would have (with training) awakened his mangekyo sharingan,
it has been shown that people with the mangekyo tend to be closely related in most cases.

Itachi - Sasuke

Madara - Izuna

Possibly

Obito - Obito's Father

Kakashi is not a full blooded uchiha which would explain why Tobi's warp skill is a much more advance mangekyo sharingan unique jutsu, if he is obito's father it would explain why they both share it.

Obito's father would also fit into the konoha attack time lines.


That is my theory.




Counter Arguments

He could not have created akatsuki

Why couldn't he create the akatsuke? He has an immensely powerful space time tech one that he is probably renowned for, all he had to do was take off his mask and kisame joins by the sheer reputation that obito's father has.

We can't determine Obito's fathers age he might be too young

Kakashi is at least in his 30s, obito was the same age, ninja have children in their mid to late 20s.

Placing tobi (if he is obitos dad) at at least in his mid to late 50s.

Orochimaru also had the 1sts cells or he would not have been able to use him in edo tensei.


How would he know so much about madara?

Madara made a tablet about himself that could only be read by people who posses the mangekyo sharingan, the tablet has details about his life and his body on it, someone obsessed with revenge for his son and who had the mangekyo sharinga could read and memorise this tablet.

How does he have cells of the first hokage

Orochimaru had the cells of the first hokage, tobi has been proven to be much smarter and more powerful than orochimaru, the tablet could also have revealed the location of the cells that madara collected from the first hokage during their fight, if madara did infact survive that battle

Tonnes of people have similar hair in the narutoverse what's your point?

Tobi is clearly just above middle age

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If kakashi's father was alive he would have similar wrinkles.

The hair theory alone

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Is not enough, but it is very support when used in conjunction with the fact that kishi is very very big on blood lines in naruto, and kakashi and tobi have the same type of space time tech, and possibly eyes of the same bloodline.


Well there you have it, hope to get opinions!!

 

[Aze]

Re: Tobi is obito's father

OBITOS FATHER!!



Ok so I made a thread on this but it got closed before it couldd get relatively well populated, I got a link to this thread, so here is the theory

Firstly appearance we do not know what tobi's father looks like but what we do know is that people in naruto look a lot like their parents.

Kakashi & Kakashi's father

You must be registered for see images

Shikamaru & Shikamaru's father

You must be registered for see images

So we can safely assume that parent and child at least have the same hair.

Next


The attack on Konoha occurred after Obito's death, so if Tobi is obito's father he has motive for his whole mission.

If tobi is obito's father he obviously brought his son up with good values, which may stem from the respect he has for the 1st.

I will give my reasons with pictures which point toward Obito's father as the culprit based on the attack and events that follow.

Firstly

You must be registered for see images

Immediately the nine tails spots minato, minato was the leader of obito's team
he should have looked after obito, and may be viewed as part of a sinister plan responsible for obito's death as far as obito's father is concerned.

You must be registered for see images

Minato acknowledges being spotted, he is immediately attacked with a powerful TBB, the nintails could have attacked anywhere else to destroy the village and make it harder for minato to reach the TBB to send it away.

It did not because the user was enraged by the mere view of minato and attacked.

You must be registered for see images

When that fails Tobi personally attacks minato.




Tobi taking off his mask to show danzo, danzo is notorious for sending ninja on missions that are frowned upon, sabotaging the nin from his own village, and sending them to kill one another.

You must be registered for see images

Obito's father may have found that danzo set this whole mission up, and wanting to confront danzo, he begun removing his mask, to show his face to the man he would destroy, the man who sent his son on a mission that would end his life.


LASTLY



Tobi's warp skill is a skill unique to the mangekyo sharingan which he shares with kakashi

Tobi Warping

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Kakashi Warping Deidara

You must be registered for see images

It shows that kakashi and tobi have the same warping skill, if obito had grown up he would have (with training) awakened his mangekyo sharingan,
it has been shown that people with the mangekyo tend to be closely related in most cases.

Itachi - Sasuke

Madara - Izuna

Possibly

Obito - Obito's Father

Kakashi is not a full blooded uchiha which would explain why Tobi's warp skill is a much more advance mangekyo sharingan unique jutsu, if he is obito's father it would explain why they both share it.

Obito's father would also fit into the konoha attack time lines.


That is my theory.




Counter Arguments

He could not have created akatsuki

Why couldn't he create the akatsuke? He has an immensely powerful space time tech one that he is probably renowned for, all he had to do was take off his mask and kisame joins by the sheer reputation that obito's father has.

We can't determine Obito's fathers age he might be too young

Kakashi is at least in his 30s, obito was the same age, ninja have children in their mid to late 20s.

Placing tobi (if he is obitos dad) at at least in his mid to late 50s.

Orochimaru also had the 1sts cells or he would not have been able to use him in edo tensei.


How would he know so much about madara?

Madara made a tablet about himself that could only be read by people who posses the mangekyo sharingan, the tablet has details about his life and his body on it, someone obsessed with revenge for his son and who had the mangekyo sharinga could read and memorise this tablet.

How does he have cells of the first hokage

Orochimaru had the cells of the first hokage, tobi has been proven to be much smarter and more powerful than orochimaru, the tablet could also have revealed the location of the cells that madara collected from the first hokage during their fight, if madara did infact survive that battle

Tonnes of people have similar hair in the narutoverse what's your point?

Tobi is clearly just above middle age

You must be registered for see images

If kakashi's father was alive he would have similar wrinkles.

The hair theory alone

You must be registered for see images

Is not enough, but it is very support when used in conjunction with the fact that kishi is very very big on blood lines in naruto, and kakashi and tobi have the same type of space time tech, and possibly eyes of the same bloodline.


Well there you have it, hope to get opinions!!

Obitos father could be a good Theory , but your Theory needs a slight modifications - but overall = good Theory + rep.

Nice Idea ^^

 

[Maunten]

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Obitos father could be a good Theory , but your Theory needs a slight modifications - but overall = good Theory + rep.

Nice Idea ^^

Ah thanks, could you tell me what some modifications could be please, I've been thinking about who tobi is for awhile and anything that brings me closer to the answer would be great.

 

[Aze]

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Ah thanks, could you tell me what some modifications could be please, I've been thinking about who tobi is for awhile and anything that brings me closer to the answer would be great.

Remember that part where Tobi and Kisame first met?

I'm not sure , but we could draw an important clue from this and connect it to your explantion.

I'm not sure , but I have a feeling , that this is the best clue we have given so far.

Also the meeting where Tobi explained Sasuke the truth about Itachi.

There are hidden clues there i'm sure about it.​

 

[Maunten]

Re: Tobi is obito's father

Remember that part where Tobi and Kisame first met?

I'm not sure , but we could draw an important clue from this and connect it to your explantion.

I'm not sure , but I have a feeling , that this is the best clue we have given so far.

Also the meeting where Tobi explained Sasuke the truth about Itachi.

There are hidden clues there i'm sure about it.​

I'll definitely look into those thanks.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

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OK. This has been explained many many times, but Tobi CANNOT be Obito, the timeline does not match, there is no motive, and the looks themselves don't match (from what we've seen, Tobi looks quite old when he should be Kakashi's age). Also, any way for him to have escaped is COMPLETE bull, why would Zetsu save an Uchiha who no longer have a functioning sharingan from death? Kakashi was the one with the sharingan, should have gone for him....
Tobi is NOT Obito.

Moving on.

I was wondering about Kagami, could somebody link me the page in the manga where he appears? Remember, if he does not appear in the manga itself, it can never be him.

The motive can be explained after the reveal. What would be the suspense if it were revealed beforehand? Plus, in a way, part of his motive has already been established. There are actually plausible ways that Obito could have escaped. Also, boulder=wrinkles/scars. you see what i mean? it makes perfect sense considering the left side of his face has no wrinkles/scars.

About Kagami:

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is when he first appeared.

Some chapters which have some more supporting evidence are:

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Kagami wasn't with the rest of his team during Tobi's attack.

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Minato said that tobi's space time techniques were greater than his and the SECOND's. Kagami was on the second's team and could have learned it from him. A theme of this manga is pupils surpassing their masters, so it's possible.

So, the only real plausible candidates IMO are Kagami and Obito.

 

[Flash]

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wow all possible solutions coming out over here

 

[Aze]

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The motive can be explained after the reveal. What would be the suspense if it were revealed beforehand? Plus, in a way, part of his motive has already been established. There are actually plausible ways that Obito could have escaped. Also, boulder=wrinkles/scars. you see what i mean? it makes perfect sense considering the left side of his face has no wrinkles/scars.

About Kagami:

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is when he first appeared.

Some chapters which have some more supporting evidence are:

You must be registered for see links

Kagami wasn't with the rest of his team during Tobi's attack.

You must be registered for see links

Minato said that tobi's space time techniques were greater than his and the SECOND's. Kagami was on the second's team and could have learned it from him. A theme of this manga is pupils surpassing their masters, so it's possible.

So, the only real plausible candidates IMO are Kagami and Obito.

All True Naruto fans , think of Obito as a good guy , he aint Twisted like Tobi.


Kagami could have a motive , but not sure.

 

[Maunten]

Re: Tobi is obito's father

There is : 'someone other than these' option- that covers Tobi option. Those who believe that do not post theories.

Could you edit the poll and add obito's father please?

Remember that part where Tobi and Kisame first met?

I'm not sure , but we could draw an important clue from this and connect it to your explantion.

I'm not sure , but I have a feeling , that this is the best clue we have given so far.

Also the meeting where Tobi explained Sasuke the truth about Itachi.

There are hidden clues there i'm sure about it.​

Tobi is obito's father theory link
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Dude I checked these out.

It turns out kisame left his village after he too discovered that it was responsible for the deaths of it's own ninja.

If tobi is obito's father it ties into the theory that he is getting vengeance for the death of his own son by the hands of his own the village.

As he and kisame would share such a personal goal they are closer allies than other members of akatsuki, and that would allow him to show his identity to kisame out of trust.

When tobi is about to start talking to sasuke he almost takes off his mask, sasuke is another nin to suffer the loss of close ones by the hands of his own village.

Tobi tends to take off his mask when speaking to people who have suffered loss by the hands of their own village (a sign of comradeship, letting his guard down to someone who he thinks might understand him).

He also takes off his mask when he is about to face danzo, (almost like an avenger revealing their identity before the kill).

If tobi is obito's father these actions would make sense.

I'll look into it more, ty for the tips.

 

[Aze]

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Could you edit the poll and add obito's father please?



Tobi is obito's father theory link
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Dude I checked these out.

It turns out kisame left his village after he too discovered that it was responsible for the deaths of it's own ninja.

If tobi is obito's father it ties into the theory that he is getting vengeance for the death of his own son by the hands of the village.

As he and kisame would share such a personal goal they are closer allies than other members of akatsuki, and that would allow him to show his identity to kisame out of trust.

When sasuke is about to start talking to sasuke he almost takes off his mask, sasuke is another nin to suffer the loss of close ones by the hands of his own village.

Tobi tends to take off his mask when speaking to people who have suffered loss by the hands of there village (a sign of comradeship, letting his guard down to someone who he thinks might understand him).

He also takes off his mask when he is about to face danzo, (almost like an avenger revealing their identity before the kill).

If tobi is obito's father these actions would make sense.

I'll look into it more, ty for the tips.

Wow , this was an excelent explanation.

Tobi and Kisame , have these similarities , it's intresting.


:scorps:

 

[Maunten]

Re: Tobi is obito's father

Wow , this was an excelent explanation.

Tobi and Kisame , have these similarities , it's intresting.


:scorps:

Thanks.

Another thing, if tobi read madara tablet he may have learnt how to awaken the rinnegan it is likely that madara was trying to learn how to awaken it before his fight with hashirama, and was noting down his results.

Someone with the Mangekyo would be able to read his tablet and learn the secrets of the rinnegan.

 

[Aze]

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Thanks.

Another thing, if tobi read madara tablet he may have learnt how to awaken the rinnegan it is likely that madara was trying to learn how to awaken it before his fight with hashirama, and was noting down his results.

Someone with the Mangekyo would be able to read his tablet and learn the secrets of the rinnegan.

I think the same.

Tobi and Madara have read the Tablet to its full extent most likely.

 

[Sonin]

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The motive can be explained after the reveal. What would be the suspense if it were revealed beforehand? Plus, in a way, part of his motive has already been established. There are actually plausible ways that Obito could have escaped. Also, boulder=wrinkles/scars. you see what i mean? it makes perfect sense considering the left side of his face has no wrinkles/scars.

About Kagami:

You must be registered for see links

is when he first appeared.

Some chapters which have some more supporting evidence are:

You must be registered for see links

Kagami wasn't with the rest of his team during Tobi's attack.

You must be registered for see links

Minato said that tobi's space time techniques were greater than his and the SECOND's. Kagami was on the second's team and could have learned it from him. A theme of this manga is pupils surpassing their masters, so it's possible.

So, the only real plausible candidates IMO are Kagami and Obito.

Chronologically Obito is not supported. Not at all. Kakashi was 15 when Tobi attacked about 3 years after the Obito incident maybe less. Tobi by all means i doubt could have mastered Space time in 2 years and learned to control the Kyubi. Also gain 2 new sharingan because one was crushed the other given to kakashi.