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[MissShakra]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

ok...i dont think its fugaku but this kid did put up a good argument and as much as i wanna think mikoto was a nice mom that whole convo between her and kushina is awfully ironic. However though, there are certainly ways fugaku (if tobi) could have fooled his own children...i mean there wouldnt be a better choice in my mind if someone was going to mindfreak their kids.

My only reason for not thinking fugaku has more to do with this is looks alone...the couple of peaks we have on Tobi he looks like he has to be Danzo's age if not older. I will try to find it but there was an interview i read very recently that discussed the fact that Minato was originally suppose to be the bad guy of the series in the end, but for reasons i do not remember, he didnt play that role but quite a opposite one. having fugaku be tobi would be a total awesome story twist and it would play out well to learn that like with Kabuto and Itachi...Sasuke was going to be nothing more than another tool in the political game. I love it personally lol i dont think its him but i like the idea.

 

[soulless uchiha]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

Alright, it's time for me to get serious. For people with no logic I suggest you stand back; this is some serious sh*t;
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Fugaku dead right in front of Sasuke:

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Second of all, Tobi himself helped in the massacre that night. You can't be dead in one place and walking around in another :| If it was a clone, it would have dispersed the moment Itachi struck him.

Moreover, Tobi's hairstyle (both long and short) look nothing like Fugaku. Plus their hair are completely different colors:

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And finally, their Sharingan don't match.

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I rest my case.
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Who's ready for a debate? COME AT ME, BRO :scorps:

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[OWanime]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

probably not but I think madara killed all of the uchiha single-handedly and itachi entered his room and saw his parents dead then he looked out the window to see madara fleeing the site; so itachi was blamed and sasuke forever scarred xd

 

[MissShakra]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

That's a whole lot of speculating, and its baseless i'm afraid.

So what if Itachi was shown holding Sasuke? Chouza and others were also shown, it was just a depiction of the leaf village and the people in it. Oh and you say why were'nt Fugaku and his wife around during the fox attack? What does that prove? Jiraiya was'nt shown to be around either, i guess he must be Tobi too then.

You think it would be that easy to take out Itachi for Tobi...? With only intangibility and teleportation, while Itachi had the legendary items in his susanoo this was an impossibility for him.

Did you look at the pics of Fugaku and his wife's corpse? Their blood was NOTHING like the gooey stuff you see from zetsu's.

This is an extremely unlikely possibility. So Itachi never recognized his own dad as the head of Akatsuki...?

Too many problems with this theory for the pieces of the puzzle to fit.

in his defense....though it could just be to troll us, it was odd that the uchiha was just gone right when the fox attacked. Jiraiya wasnt in the leaf at the time most likely..he was traveling with his book or whatnot so its not a surprise that him and Tsunade or someone might not have been there. On the other hand, they went out and left their 5 yr old and newborn at home and Itachi may or may not know why. They werent shown defending the village so wtf were they doing? just a thought... They still havent revealed to this day where they were at and thats going to come into play here soon. Theres pieces Itachi was leaving out on purpose and there is more to his side and shisui's death and the massacre. It was "weird" though possibly irrelavent that Mikoto knew or had an idea that Kushina was far along in her pregnancy.

His theory is not likely the route Kishi is going but it could certainly explain some of the fishy circumstances regarding the Uchiha....next few chapters we will hopefully learn alot
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[Abd100]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

+ rep for the idea, liked it.

 

[Chatte]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

well it's a good theory but don't u think that itachi would have gotten sure that ALL the uchiha members were dead, except his father? being the type of character he is I hardly believe that itachi would make this kind of error...

 

[TobisPawn]

Re: Itachi Explains Who tobi is

Tobi sucks at fighting?

 

[BarBoBot]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

That's a whole lot of speculating, and its baseless i'm afraid.

So what if Itachi was shown holding Sasuke? Chouza and others were also shown, it was just a depiction of the leaf village and the people in it. Oh and you say why were'nt Fugaku and his wife around during the fox attack? What does that prove? Jiraiya was'nt shown to be around either, i guess he must be Tobi too then. ....it shouldnt take a genius to realise that Kishi made a SPECIFIC point of saying that fugaku and mikoto were not there.... if it has nothing to do with it, then EXPLAIN why kishi mentions it... There are 18 pages in a manga.... and your telling me he used 1-2 pages to show that Itachi was left with sasuke wondering where his parents were RIGHT BEFORE TOBI ATTACKS KUSHINA FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON????

You think it would be that easy to take out Itachi for Tobi...? With only intangibility and teleportation, while Itachi had the legendary items in his susanoo this was an impossibility for him. I didnt say itachi couldnt do it, im saying that the LEADER OF ONE OF THE STRONGEST CLANS WAS KILLED WITHOUT EVEN A FIGHT..... thats not wierd to you....:shrug:

Did you look at the pics of Fugaku and his wife's corpse? Their blood was NOTHING like the gooey stuff you see from zetsu's. check your facts noob... remember when Bee and A killed Kisame?????? It WAS A ZETSU CLONE....there was NO white zwetsu goo because it was TRANSFORMED.... even the Raikage and a perfect jinchuriki (Bee) could not tell it was a clone....

This is an extremely unlikely possibility. So Itachi never recognized his own dad as the head of Akatsuki...? when has it been shown that Itachi saw his face HMMM????

Besides, this is an ANIME where the main character can transform himself from a fully clothed boy to a NAKED WOMAN....with a simple hand sign.... ARE YOU CLAIMING THAT TOBI CANT USE SIMPLE TRANSFORMATION JUTSU????? Why does Tobi continue to hide his face then? What purpose is there for his mask???? :flaw:


Too many problems with this theory for the pieces of the puzzle to fit.

 

[kibaclaw]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

I really like this theory man, it fills in some holes of what I was thinking a little bit. I've known all along that Itachi is working for Tobi but whenever I post a thread calling Itachi evil it gets deleted.

 

[ThousandLegs]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

Tobi: Sasuke I am your father
Sasuke: No your not my father is dead
Tobi: yea that was a Zetsu clone I really am your father
Sasuke: ok then prove it take off your mask and show me your face!
Tobi: umm crap ok so I'm not your father I'm actualy YOU from the future!
Sasuke: /facepalm

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

Tobi: Sasuke I am your father
Sasuke: No your not my father is dead
Tobi: yea that was a Zetsu clone I really am your father
Sasuke: ok then prove it take off your mask and show me your face!
Tobi: umm crap ok so I'm not your father I'm actualy YOU from the future!
Sasuke: /facepalm

pretty much

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Huge SPOILER!! Sasuke's Future & Father (Tobi)

I am a noob

It was a depiction of the leaf village, you want kishi to do a screenshot of the whole Uchiha clan together holding hands and singing hallelujah instead?

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In the lower half of the page you then see Kakashi and Guy/ other villagers. And Itachi says both his parents went out together, had he only mentioned his dad it might have been an argument.




The Uchiha clan became playthings of the senju....that's what Tobi said it was the whole reason for the revolt. They were no longer one of the strongest clans, a genius like Itachi taking out their leader was'nt surprising. If he could 1 hit pawn the likes of Orochimaru, this was'nt tough either.

Again did you see Tobi's arm bleeding? It was oozing fluids totally different from regular blood. And before you go around spreading bullshit and talking out of your ass by calling other's noob take a look at this:

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That look like a normal trail of blood to you?



Oh, and a genius like Itachi, who's been shown time and again to be brilliant at reading through people(read the current manga of how he sees through Kabuto just through insight) could'nt tell anything through his voice or body language?


AND WHY THE FCK WOULD FUGAKU, THE LEADER OF THE UCHIHA WANT TO HELP IN MASSACRING HIS WHOLE CLAN??
Its not caps rage, i want you to notice this point.

What motive does he have to do this? Tobi tells Sasuke that his dad was the one who'd lead the revolt against Konoha to end the discrimination against the Uchiha, but oh nooo he actually wants to murder all the Uchiha instead!! Why? Go on, answer it. You can't? Then don't push your speculations on me, ok?

Tobi wears a mask because he is'nt who he has claimed to be, and who he really is he does'nt want anyone else to find out. This leaves many possibilities ranging from Kagami to Shisui to Obito etc it does'nt prove he's Fugaku.

EDIT: Oh and Sasuke's DAD would show his face to him???:

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And STILL CLAIM TO BE MADARA????

Sasuke even calls him Madara much later, after that:

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[USSJ Future Trunks]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

things we know
- white goo arm easily replaced
- he knows who madara is and planned out MEP with him.
- he called konan a child and little girl and says to kushina how long hes been waiting for the seal to weaken implying a long ass time.
- was full grown and powerful when kisame was young and the blood mist started. this was around 20 years before chapter 1.
- knows a deep amount about konoha and its barriers/seals.
- gave nagato rinnegan and manipulated yahiko to form akatsuki, while hiding as its secret leader.
- has hashirama's cells and therefore has perfect izanagi.
- controlled kyuubi with just regular sharingan
- izuna is dead. elder son is dead. kagami is too irrelevant and has no reason to hate senjus since tobirama gave his life for him.
- he thinks hes no one and doesnt care about his identity. he also thinks the world is worthless and full of misery
- he looks like madara might look as an old man, according to kisame.

i say hes an uchiha from the founding of konoha. or he at least has uchiha blood. and he saw war at a young age and was left for dead by senjus. he gained a grudge against them and sought out madara, and everyone believed him dead and gone just like madara.

people saying he cant be a new char. well we had never heard of nagato before before his reveal. we had only subtle hints about madara before tobi said he was madara. and look how relevant izanami suddenly is even though no one has said or done anything resembling it before.

 

[GodlyGian]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Abandoned by his clan, Madara left the village, and sought out Kurama. He later returned in order to challenge Hashirama in battle. They fought at the site that would someday be called the Valley of the End, where Madara was beaten, despite having Kurama at his side. Control of Kurama was ultimately taken from him and Madara was believed to have died. Despite losing the battle he was able to survive and gain a part of Hashirama's DNA with which he was able to use the Wood Release. Shortly after Madara awakened his own Rinnegan and is also known to have fought with and defeated Ōnoki shortly after the founding of Konoha-

Quoted from Naruto.wikia, stop the bullshit


1) Sarutobi was 78 when he died, and was around 8 when he was trained by the Shodai and the Nidaime.

2) Tsunade is the Granddaughter of the Shodai and judging from her flashback, she had to have been 5 years old. And in Part 1 was 51 years old.

3) Shodai is the Grandfather of Tsunade, which means he had to been in his 50s.


So if you do the math, that places Konoha's founding somewhere around 80 to 100 years ago.

From Naruto-Boards.

Konoha is 80-100, onoki fighting Madara SHORTLY after konoha was found so lets say it was 75 years ago, Somebody mentioned him being around 40-50 when he fought Hashirama, meaning Tobi might be around the age of 100-105, as we saw he is pretty old when he fought Konan,

Meaning that there is 50% chance of Tobi being madara.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Spoiler

Abandoned by his clan, Madara left the village, and sought out Kurama. He later returned in order to challenge Hashirama in battle. They fought at the site that would someday be called the Valley of the End, where Madara was beaten, despite having Kurama at his side. Control of Kurama was ultimately taken from him and Madara was believed to have died. Despite losing the battle he was able to survive and gain a part of Hashirama's DNA with which he was able to use the Wood Release. Shortly after Madara awakened his own Rinnegan and is also known to have fought with and defeated Ōnoki shortly after the founding of Konoha-

Quoted from Naruto.wikia, stop the bullshit


1) Sarutobi was 78 when he died, and was around 8 when he was trained by the Shodai and the Nidaime.

2) Tsunade is the Granddaughter of the Shodai and judging from her flashback, she had to have been 5 years old. And in Part 1 was 51 years old.

3) Shodai is the Grandfather of Tsunade, which means he had to been in his 50s.


So if you do the math, that places Konoha's founding somewhere around 80 to 100 years ago.

From Naruto-Boards.

Konoha is 80-100, onoki fighting Madara SHORTLY after konoha was found so lets say it was 75 years ago, Somebody mentioned him being around 40-50 when he fought Hashirama, meaning Tobi might be around the age of 100-105, as we saw he is pretty old when he fought Konan,

Meaning that there is 50% chance of Tobi being madara.

Except for one slight problem.....the guy in your avatar.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

Abandoned by his clan, Madara left the village, and sought out Kurama. He later returned in order to challenge Hashirama in battle. They fought at the site that would someday be called the Valley of the End, where Madara was beaten, despite having Kurama at his side. Control of Kurama was ultimately taken from him and Madara was believed to have died. Despite losing the battle he was able to survive and gain a part of Hashirama's DNA with which he was able to use the Wood Release. Shortly after Madara awakened his own Rinnegan and is also known to have fought with and defeated Ōnoki shortly after the founding of Konoha-

Quoted from Naruto.wikia, stop the bullshit


1) Sarutobi was 78 when he died, and was around 8 when he was trained by the Shodai and the Nidaime.

2) Tsunade is the Granddaughter of the Shodai and judging from her flashback, she had to have been 5 years old. And in Part 1 was 51 years old.

3) Shodai is the Grandfather of Tsunade, which means he had to been in his 50s.


So if you do the math, that places Konoha's founding somewhere around 80 to 100 years ago.

From Naruto-Boards.

Konoha is 80-100, onoki fighting Madara SHORTLY after konoha was found so lets say it was 75 years ago, Somebody mentioned him being around 40-50 when he fought Hashirama, meaning Tobi might be around the age of 100-105, as we saw he is pretty old when he fought Konan,

Meaning that there is 50% chance of Tobi being madara.

1] Sarutobi died as a 69 years old ...
2] The flashback is non-canon
3] Shodai died some time before Tsunade was even born ...
4] Konoha is 65 years old

 

[boshans]

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I think Konoha has to be older than 65 years old to be honest, read this:

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I mapped everything out there, please take a look.

You are right about Sarutobi dying though, but to the other guy, he was 6 years old when he was trained by Tobirama, not 8.

 

[Sasuke2]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

According to manga and databook times, Konoha is 65 years old.
If Hashirama was alive now, he would be (assuming he was made Hokage close to being 40 years old since Minato was said to be young) 105 years old.
If Madara was the same age as Hashirama then he also, dunno from where people get that Madara is 150 if alive and such.
If Tobi is Izuna and he was younger than Madara lets say by 5 years, then he is exactly 100 years old.

 

[boshans]

Re: Official Tobi ID thread:All Tobi theories go here:-

According to manga and databook times, Konoha is 65 years old.
If Hashirama was alive now, he would be (assuming he was made Hokage close to being 40 years old since Minato was said to be young) 105 years old.
If Madara was the same age as Hashirama then he also, dunno from where people get that Madara is 150 if alive and such.
If Tobi is Izuna and he was younger than Madara lets say by 5 years, then he is exactly 100 years old.

Yeah after reading through my stuff again Konoha being 65 years old does basically fit in with my calculations.

And yes I calculated that Hashi and Madara are about 102 years old around, assuming they are the same age. I also figured Izuna to be at most 10 years younger, so he would be anywhere from 92-102 years old, way to old to be Tobi in my opinion.

 

[Sasuke2]

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We don't know how much older was Madara from Izuna.
But 10 years is too much, they were both seen young standing atop the Uchiha and both were mature people.
There's 5 year difference between them at max, just like between Itachi and Sasuke.