[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

Who do you think Tobi is:

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Sage of Six Paths

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 65 9.3%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 105 15.0%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 71 10.1%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 77 11.0%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 16 2.3%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 66 9.4%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 13 1.9%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 28 4.0%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Danzou

    Votes: 8 1.1%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • Shisui

    Votes: 14 2.0%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 15 2.1%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • A woman

    Votes: 21 3.0%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 19 2.7%
  • Someone Other than these

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • An alien ( Superman/ HeMan/whatnot)

    Votes: 7 1.0%
  • I am the best. I have no theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 22 3.1%

  • Total voters
    700
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Re: Tobi's right sharingan has same ability as kakashi's left?

i think they have the same abilities but kakashi has not mastered it fully<3 as for him being obito no just no:flaw: the age differences and the knowledge tobi has no way in hell 0% chance.:flaw:
 

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Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi!!!

Isnt it obvious guys ive been doing some research and it matches Kagami Uchiha HAS to be tobi
1.He looked up to Madara
2.He promised to avenge Madara and did you see how he reacted when he saw his corpse
3.He has sharigan
4.He has black hair
Its obvious i think its the best assumption that Kagami is Tobi...
1) can you quote a manga page?

2) same as 1

3) many uchiha do / about all there ninja do

4) all uchiha do i think (kinda like saiyans)

5) just so you know this has been made before
 

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Re: Kagami Uchiha is Tobi!!!

Isnt it obvious guys ive been doing some research and it matches Kagami Uchiha HAS to be tobi
1.He looked up to Madara
2.He promised to avenge Madara and did you see how he reacted when he saw his corpse

3.He has sharigan
4.He has black hair
Its obvious i think its the best assumption that Kagami is Tobi...
Give me your source for that info, then maybe I'll believe you.
 

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Proof for my earlier kagami tobi thread

Kagami Uchiha was in the same team as Danzo Shimura, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Torifu Akimichi, Homura Mitokado and Koharu Utatane.
These people were trained by the Second Hokage so they were alive when Madara and Hashirama was alive aswell. When Madara was killed by Hashirama Kagami swore to avenge Madara. Madara was his hero and Kagami followed his war ideals.


Tobirama knew this because he was his master and thats why he secluded the Uchihas to prevent an uprising.
After the first Shinobi world war. The Second Hokages unit came very far. Danzo created Root, Hiruzen became Hokage and Homura and Koharu became respected advisors to the Hokages. Kagami tried to provoke the Second Shinobi war. Nagato said that Konoha started this war. Hiruzen was Hokage during this and he wouldnt do this but Nagato was not wrong. It was Kagami who was a konoha ninja who started the war and made it look like Konoha was to blame.
It was during the second shinobi war that Nagato awakend the Rinnegan and the original akatsuki was formed by Yahiko Konan and Nagato.
As they gained a bigger reputation Hanzo tried to destroy them and he got help from Danzo. After Nagato had used the rinnegan against them. Danzo told Kagami about this event since Kagami was close to him, Kagami was also part of the Anbu Root. Thats why he has masks and the black anbu cloak to conceal his identity.
 

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Comprehensive analysis on who Tobi really is..

So, first off, I wanna start by saying that I really have no idea who he is. I want to say someone of the earlier Uchiha clan (Madara, or elder sons) but, did anyone else find Tobi's behavior a bit odd from an Uchiha, when he was first introduced in the manga/anime? Leading me to believe that he isn't an Uchiha.

Also, we know that Itachi KNEW who TOBI was (Itachi believes, or says, that he is Madara, but he could very well be wrong) And we also know that Tobi has Madara's eyes. (Itachi set Sasuke's Amaratsu to activate upon seeing Madara's sharingan.) But was Itachi fooled? Also, could Itachi have thought that they were Madara's eyes, but were mistaken? Itachi is a genius ninja, and I hate to have to call him out, but he could have very well been played by "Tobi" (Tobi once said that if Itachi actually knew about him, he would be dead)

So basically, this leaves us with "WHO THE F*CK IS THIS GUY"

We know Tobi has been around for a VERY long time. He knows about the elder sons, BUT could he have been an ordinary Uchiha that read about the sons in the Book they found (forget what it's called or where it is, but it has the secrets of the Uchihas.) So, this leaves us with the question..

"HOW OLD IS THIS GUY?"

We know he's very knowlegable, and judging by his teleportation justu that Minato claimed better than his FTG (Even though Minato was smarter than him, and a better shinobi, in my opinion) Leaving him with the greatest teleportation jutsu in the narutoverse.

Now, this leads us to the question...

"How the hell does an UCHIHA get a teleportation jutsu that is unrivaled?"

You could say many things, because he unlocked the rinnegan, etc.. But I honestly don't think that Madara obtained this because how would he have lost the fight against Hashirima with that kind of jutsu?

Well, there was only one person that I can recall with a teleportation jutsu.. and that was Shisui.

And this basically opens up huge doors. Did Shisui survive? Could it be possible that he completely played the entire Konaha village? He was a master of genjutsu, and I don't think it's entirely impossible. In this one speculation, I think it's possible Shisui gave up both of his eyes, BECAUSE HE KNEW WHERE'S MADARA'S CORPSE WAS. And after that, obtained his eyes. This could leave you to wonder, that maybe that's why Itachi and him worked together, but Itachi had no idea. This is just a branched off speculation.

Now, moving on. Tobi as we know, has a hard on for Sasuke and Naruto fighting. Why is this? My question is why is he pumping Sasuke up with powerups, just so he could beat Naruto in a fight. Claiming it's DESTINY, and FATE for them to fight. My only guess is, he wants revenge on the Uzamaki clan. (aka, younger sons clan) Which if he is Madara, or the elder son, basically gives him that motive. (Since in the grand scheme of things, his moon's eye plan, everyone will be controlled by him.)

Sooo, we know that he said "He gave Negato the rinnegan" And now that he's dead, we know that he's not the child of prophecy.

And here's something I thought about that could be mind-blowing...

"Who gave So6P rinnegan?"

He got it after fighting with the Juubi right? So, in some way shape or form, I think Tobi could actually be a fragment of the So6P or somehow a human version or the Juubi. Also, how the hell did he "Give" him the rinnegan? Which can totally disprove this if he didn't.

But, something I must add to my recent theory, or speculation, is why does Tobi keep one sharigan (normal 3 magatama) and in the other eye rinnegan?

And i'll leave off with this question, because i'm tired. But i will add more analysis when I get the chance..

"What's the 3 magatama sharigan and the rinnegan combined look like?"

Pretty sure you all know, it's the Juubi's eye.
 
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Re: Proof for my earlier kagami tobi thread

i doubt it and none of that is really proof more just opinion but your allowed to have your own but next time jus put it all in one thread no need to make 2 for one theory
 

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Re: Proof for my earlier kagami tobi thread

i doubt it and none of that is really proof more just opinion but your allowed to have your own but next time jus put it all in one thread no need to make 2 for one theory
doesnt it make sense a little with tobi trying to go thorough with madaras plans and all
 

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Re: Comprehensive analysis on who Tobi really is..

nice man... I always asked my self "Howthe hell tobi got renningan???"
I agree with most of what you say, I'm Not sure who he is!!!
cuz kishi made this tobi like he is related to every one... first danzo... obito..shisui.. kagami... fugaku... madara, man even rikudo himself and jubi...
Tobi Is making us crazy and that's what kishi planned for...
 

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Re: Proof for my earlier kagami tobi thread

Kagami Uchiha was in the same team as Danzo Shimura, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Torifu Akimichi, Homura Mitokado and Koharu Utatane.
These people were trained by the Second Hokage so they were alive when Madara and Hashirama was alive aswell. When Madara was killed by Hashirama Kagami swore to avenge Madara. Madara was his hero and Kagami followed his war ideals.


Tobirama knew this because he was his master and thats why he secluded the Uchihas to prevent an uprising.
After the first Shinobi world war. The Second Hokages unit came very far. Danzo created Root, Hiruzen became Hokage and Homura and Koharu became respected advisors to the Hokages. Kagami tried to provoke the Second Shinobi war. Nagato said that Konoha started this war. Hiruzen was Hokage during this and he wouldnt do this but Nagato was not wrong. It was Kagami who was a konoha ninja who started the war and made it look like Konoha was to blame.
It was during the second shinobi war that Nagato awakend the Rinnegan and the original akatsuki was formed by Yahiko Konan and Nagato.
As they gained a bigger reputation Hanzo tried to destroy them and he got help from Danzo. After Nagato had used the rinnegan against them. Danzo told Kagami about this event since Kagami was close to him, Kagami was also part of the Anbu Root. Thats why he has masks and the black anbu cloak to conceal his identity.
Bold: Where are you getting that from? Show me a Manga page where it said that.
 

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Re: Comprehensive analysis on who Tobi really is..

actually so6p originally had the rinnegan but the juubi's influence gave him sharingan which was passed on to uchihas xd tobi is half zetsu half obito with madara's personality/memories
 

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Re: Proof for my earlier kagami tobi thread

Kagami Uchiha was in the same team as Danzo Shimura, Hiruzen Sarutobi, Torifu Akimichi, Homura Mitokado and Koharu Utatane.
These people were trained by the Second Hokage so they were alive when Madara and Hashirama was alive aswell. When Madara was killed by Hashirama Kagami swore to avenge Madara. Madara was his hero and Kagami followed his war ideals.


Tobirama knew this because he was his master and thats why he secluded the Uchihas to prevent an uprising.
After the first Shinobi world war. The Second Hokages unit came very far. Danzo created Root, Hiruzen became Hokage and Homura and Koharu became respected advisors to the Hokages. Kagami tried to provoke the Second Shinobi war. Nagato said that Konoha started this war. Hiruzen was Hokage during this and he wouldnt do this but Nagato was not wrong. It was Kagami who was a konoha ninja who started the war and made it look like Konoha was to blame.
It was during the second shinobi war that Nagato awakend the Rinnegan and the original akatsuki was formed by Yahiko Konan and Nagato.
As they gained a bigger reputation Hanzo tried to destroy them and he got help from Danzo. After Nagato had used the rinnegan against them. Danzo told Kagami about this event since Kagami was close to him, Kagami was also part of the Anbu Root. Thats why he has masks and the black anbu cloak to conceal his identity.
This is now an obviously failed thread. Madara was not killed by hashirama, he was defeated by hashirama but madara stated in the manga that his actual goal in that fight was to obtain some of hashirama's power...

and btw this is more like fan fiction than an actual theory with proof
 

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A Theory...

Alrighty then, I've thinking about who Tobi is for a bit now, and his identity has come down to one person for me personally. That Person is Izuna... even though he is thought to be dead.
There are a couple of reasons behind my thinking of this.

1. Tobi is obviously fairly old, since Madara seems to know who his is, and they both have been in on the "Eye of the Moon plan" for quite some time now. Also Tobi himself states that he has been waiting for opportunity to be able to follow through with this plan for a long time. So it is very possible, with medical treatment and experiments behind it, that he is still alive.

2. Back to the fact that he was presumed dead. Even though he lost his eyes to Madara and shortly later supposedly died in combat(this information i got from narutopedia), it is still very possible that he survived since Madara was thought dead by the hands of Hashirama and it is now known he did not die. And about the eyes, it is well known that eyes can be easily replaced (now more than ever with the war), so him getting new eyes is very likely. Back to the theory about his eyes, before in the series itachi claims that Madara took Izuna's eyes by force to regain his sight, but Tobi denies this and claims that Izuna gave his eyes willingly to his brother to better the Uchiha clan.
This information should be enough to have some thinking more into this theory, and this is only half of my reasoning...

3. Now onto Tobi and Izuna's known physical features. According to Narutopedia, Tobi and Izuna both have a weight of 55.9 kg. For their height it has Tobi at 175.0 cm and Izuna at 174.8cm (thats pretty damn close). Also Tobi has ripples of skin formed underneath his eyes which could be from when Madara pulled out his eyes.
I would say they have similar hair, but all the Uchiha have the same damn hair so...

4. Now for my final rationality behind the fact that Tobi is really Izuna...
It would be nice if I was right?​


Oh and by the way this is my first post so don't hate to hard on me.

This info is from all the manga and a couple of fun facts from Narutopedia
 
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