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[Seven7]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

Then why the image of Senju would be shown in the first place?

Where does Madara fit in all this?What was he doing with Tobi? Did Tobi made a fool of Madara too?

To answer your first question, at that moment "Tobi" claimed to be Madara so to throw one off it would show the first hokage. I believe tobi used everyone he could as ponds to regain his orginal body. Which is why he is collecting the tailed beast, he must be a manifestation of the "Jubi" (Meaning Tobi's) chakra in a lifeless body & or the first zetsu body. Who's to say that Zetsu was not a creation of the 10 tails its self? Being a temporary body for Tobi "Jubi"

Also I the translation is Kun style japanese reading making
Ju=To= 10
Bi= Tail or Shadow darkness

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: Tobi is Izuna Uchiha!

Izuna is the only known character that fits the bill well enough in my opinion.

• He's old enough
• was in a position to know enough about Madara to successfully decieve others that he is Madara.
• It would make sense for him to share Madara's Goals and Ideals which gives him a valid motive to be Tobi.

The biggest obstacle to the theory, on the other hand, is that the Databook states that Izuna died. His death can be confirmed in the Manga as well. I cant see why the Databook would lie. The manga can still lie for plot reasons but the Databook? Idont think so.

 

[JWSoul]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

Interesting theory. But i think that Tobi is a clone that was created with Hashiramas and Madaras dna.The first Zetsu. He used his technique and copied Madaras appearance but because unlike the other clones he had free will he disobeyed Madaras orders and he put his own plan in motion.The real Madara ordered him to give Nagato the rinengan (i don't know how he did that) because he wanted pain to resurrect him with his technique after he died.

Makes you think why didnt Madara just give Tobi the Rinnegan in the 1st place rather than an untested child? Seeing as Tobi now has that particular eye power.... SO blatantly he can handle it? Perhaps not to the same extent as Nagato due to his heritage.

 

[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

I'm talking about the event that took place right after Naruto's birth. The only thing the Kyuubi said was "YOU...!". He never said that Tobi was Madara or anything about Tobi's identity for that matter. The only thing that can be deduced from that event is that the Kyuubi managed to recognize Tobi with his mask on. And he did so after spending many years imprisoned in a jinchuuriki. Which means that Tobi is really old. Too old to be Shisui.

Also, Naruto's birth happened a couple of years before Shisui's death. If Shisui had Hashirama or Madara DNA implanted into himself before Naruto's birth it would have been noticed in the many years that followed. Because shisui's didn't have any covered up body parts of himself like Danzo did. So thats virtually impossible as well.

Edit: Plus, Shisui still had his own eyes during Naruto's birth. Tobi, on the other hand had the same Sharingan he currently has/had. Tobi and Shisui's sharingan's are definitely not the same sharingans.

i respect your opinion but i disagree with everything you said, kyuubi did say you. and we can also deduct that the nine tails didn't get along with naruto's mom either, so he could have been in side of her noticing things she never did and not mention them to her, just like how the eight tails see's things and notifies bee, he could have noticed it was someone such as shuisi easily, it doesn't mean that tobi has to be like 100 years old or anything.

did you notice on ET madara that he had anothing transplanted on him? no we noticed this only once he looked down his shirt. if not that then shuisi could have implanted himself with everything after faking his death. idk why you even think he need that dna implanted then, all he did was s/t and phase through nothing special, who knows the phasing could just be how damn good shuisi is with body flicker.

how can you say their sharigans aren't the same? a three tomoe looks all the ame to me

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: Naruto 565 - Who is Tobi? The Truth about Madara

the biggest hole of all is that Madara knew who Nagato was. if madara died, and tobi found nagato and awakened the rinnegan in him, how would madara know nagato when he was edo tensei revived?

I was gonna say this too.

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

i respect your opinion but i disagree with everything you said, kyuubi did say you. and we can also deduct that the nine tails didn't get along with naruto's mom either, so he could have been in side of her noticing things she never did and not mention them to her, just like how the eight tails see's things and notifies bee, he could have noticed it was someone such as shuisi easily, it doesn't mean that tobi has to be like 100 years old or anything.

did you notice on ET madara that he had anothing transplanted on him? no we noticed this only once he looked down his shirt. if not that then shuisi could have implanted himself with everything after faking his death. idk why you even think he need that dna implanted then, all he did was s/t and phase through nothing special, who knows the phasing could just be how damn good shuisi is with body flicker.

how can you say their sharigans aren't the same? a three tomoe looks all the ame to me

hmm...I never thought of that, the fox can see things outside of its host, and he doesn't have to tell kushina anything, just like the other times including now that naruto was in tobi's presence, but the fox isn't saying anything because of the relation

edit: that actually sheds a whole new light on that "YOU!" incident, as it could now mean it could be anyone from the time kushina first had the fox in her to the time tobi attacked the village.

 

[Fluffyman]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

This Theory could be right.

You all remember how Kabuto first summoned the 5 big Edos and the coffin with Madara and showed it to Tobi?
Kabuto said "Your Vessel is indeed unique". Think about that.

Jubi in the body of a human, that would be unique
And in the latest Manga Tobi said that he is no one. Maybe he ment that he´s no one because he is weak, divided in 9 parts and sealed in the moon etc.

Tobi MUST be very old to know so much about everything. Only other person that comes in my mind is Izuna but why would he say that he is no one? I think he wouldnt, if he were Izuna. Also Kabuto wouldnt talk about a Vessel if it were Izuna.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

lol, I knew what you meant, I was saying it because he could have said it for that reason since the fox was around during madara and hashirama.

and tobi said that danzo boasted an "incomplete", form of hashirama's cells, tobi may not even have a huge face or something, I mean look at yamato, he doesn't. and that same eye that you are talking about was a 3 tomoe sharingan, it's hard to tell whose eye it even was, I mean it's not like it turned into a mangyeko or something.

Good points. But the fact still remains that the Kyuubi has never identified Tobi as Madara. And there is nothing in the manga that suggests that either Shisui or Tobi implanted any of Madara's DNA. Anyway, what in the manga would motivate Shisui to implant Madara's DNA into himself to begin with. He's already an Uchiha. Also anyone with a Sharingan or a byuakugan or any other chakra sensing ninja's in Konoha would have notice the change in Shisui's chakra.

p.s. Tobi and Shisui have different Sharingan abilities. Tobi exhibited his S/T doujutsu before and after Shisui died and gave away/lost both of his eyes. Also white stuff comes out of Tobi instead of blood. Shisui had blood coming from his eye socket in Itachi's flash back.

 

[JCW]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

tobi= naruto great legit grandpa

so6p

 

[Baka Sennin]

Re: New massive clue to tobi's identity!

and by observing the bushiness of said eyebrow, we can also conclude that tobi is not might guy or rock lee

 

[JCW]

Re: New massive clue to tobi's identity!

he is .0002 taller than izuna and his hair follocules are .00000000000000000003 wider than others

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Good points. But the fact still remains that the Kyuubi has never identified Tobi as Madara. And there is nothing in the manga that suggests that either Shisui or Tobi implanted any of Madara's DNA. Anyway, what in the manga would motivate Shisui to implant Madara's DNA into himself to begin with. He's already an Uchiha. Also anyone with a Sharingan or a byuakugan or any other chakra sensing ninja's in Konoha would have notice the change in Shisui's chakra.

p.s. Tobi and Shisui have different Sharingan abilities. Tobi exhibited his S/T doujutsu before and after Shisui died and gave away/lost both of his eyes. Also white stuff comes out of Tobi instead of blood. Shisui had blood coming from his eye in Itachi's flash back.

on your first point, the thread creator gave a better explanation than I did on that "YOU!" situation, and also, I wonder if anybody noticed shisui's eye and all those sharingan eyes including hashirama's cells inside danzo? I don't think anyone did.

we don't know if S/T jutsu is an ability of shisui or not, that's what I'm trying to say, we almost know NOTHING about shisui or the life he lived. we don't know any of his other techs or anything. and we just assume that those S/T techs revolve around tobi's eye, we can't be sure of that either.

and also, when konan nearly blew up tobi, I thought that was suppose to be blood.

 

[niblack89]

Re: New massive clue to tobi's identity!

Tobi is a clone of Madara.

 

[MrSharingan]

Re: New massive clue to tobi's identity!

and by observing the bushiness of said eyebrow, we can also conclude that tobi is not might guy or rock lee

he is .0002 taller than izuna and his hair follocules are .00000000000000000003 wider than others

how could I have missed those. so obvious U_U

 

[Hexuze]

Re: New massive clue to tobi's identity!

omfg....

It's Kagami Uchiha or Izuna Uchiha!!!

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

Your the second person who's claimed that Tobi said "He Reminds me of him" about Naruto. Where in the manga did you get this Info? Please provide me with the page that says that because I'm seriously doubting that such a page exists.

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I'm kinda under the impression that this might be the page that your referring to. And it is as clear as can be that:
1)there is no "He Reminds me of him" on that page(or even in that whole chapter)
2)Tobi was definitely referring to Hashirama and definitely not the SO6P.

 

[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

on your first point, the thread creator gave a better explanation than I did on that "YOU!" situation, and also, I wonder if anybody noticed shisui's eye and all those sharingan eyes including hashirama's cells inside danzo? I don't think anyone did.

we don't know if S/T jutsu is an ability of shisui or not, that's what I'm trying to say, we almost know NOTHING about shisui or the life he lived. we don't know any of his other techs or anything. and we just assume that those S/T techs revolve around tobi's eye, we can't be sure of that either.

and also, when konan nearly blew up tobi, I thought that was suppose to be blood.

thats another great point, ao looked danzo up and down and only noticed shuisi's chakra but failed to notice the 1st's dna on his whole right side and all the sharigan's

that bein said if nooone noticed that then if shuisi did have any dna from the 1st during his time (which i still think he didn't until he faked his death) i doubt anyone noticed

 

[Waltz]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

I dissagree with both ur 1st theory.

The Gedo Mazo is the Juubi:

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The Gedo Mado can be either "Active" or "in active" and can only change these states with the use of the Rinnengan (So6p eye).

When inactive the Gedo mazo is Hancuffed.

Also note the Gedo Mazo, when nagato summoned it, took 2 things form him "Life force" and "Chakra". same with the Jinchuriki "All their lifeforce" and "chakra + Bijuu chakra".
because thats what the Juubi is lacking at the moment. The fact that Tobi means Ten tails, could mean that we will get to see him Awaken the Ten tails/become it's host. but ALL the Juubi's chakra was split. and i it's body was in the moon until Nagato summoned it.

If Tobi is izuna that would make sense why he is so afraid of Kabuto summoning ET Madara cuz as we know, ET Madara was the best of the two. but personally i believe that Tobi is the So6p elder son.

 

[Seven7]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

Respect to all for your ideas!! We shall see soon!! ^_^

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

on your first point, the thread creator gave a better explanation than I did on that "YOU!" situation, and also, I wonder if anybody noticed shisui's eye and all those sharingan eyes including hashirama's cells inside danzo? I don't think anyone did.

we don't know if S/T jutsu is an ability of shisui or not, that's what I'm trying to say, we almost know NOTHING about shisui or the life he lived. we don't know any of his other techs or anything. and we just assume that those S/T techs revolve around tobi's eye, we can't be sure of that either.

and also, when konan nearly blew up tobi, I thought that was suppose to be blood.

Danzo went to a lot of trouble to cover up his modification. He used a device to cover his arm and to hide its secrets. And he covered this device with bandages. Shisui on the other hand had no bandages or devices from what we've seen of him. And that is what I mean by there is nothing in the manga that indicates that Shisui implanted Madara's DNA. Which means that there is nothing in the manga that even slightly implies that Shisui had Madara's "chakra signature" as his own at naruto's birth. Which means that the kyuubi recognized the chakra of someone who lived more than 80 years before the current time. Which means that Tobi is too old to be Shisui.

Also, Shisui's Sharingan's abilities were Kotoamatsukami. Half of the narutoverse seems to know this. Also, the source of Tobi's S/T doujutsu is his right sharingan.

Edit: I couldn't find the thread creator's explanation on what you call the "YOU!" situation. Can I have a link please?

I just rechecked the chapters where Tobi and Konan fought. Tobi exhibited no blood in his fight with Konan. All I saw was just more of that white stuff. This just add more weight to the argument.