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[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Danzo went to a lot of trouble to cover up his modification. He used a device to cover his arm and to hide its secrets. And he covered this device with bandages. Shisui on the other hand had no bandages or devices from what we've seen of him. And that is what I mean by there is nothing in the manga that indicates that Shisui implanted Madara's DNA.

Also, Shisui's Sharingan's abilities were Kotoamatsukami. Half of the narutoverse seems to know this. Also, the source of Tobi's S/T doujutsu is his right sharingan.

i really don't want to get rude or anything but your saying a byugan or a sharigan or any sensor type ninja could never notice anything danzo was trying to hide with bandages? or the device on his arm? i don't buy that. and i never ever stated that shuisi implanted any DNA at all into himself, im saying if he is tobi then he implanted everything AFTER he faked his death

and shisui's left MS eye the one that itachi had was known to have kotoamatsukiami, noone knows what his other eye held, it's like itachi has tsukuyomi in one eye and amaterasu in the other, who knows what shuisi's other eye held in MS, its all up in the air

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Danzo went to a lot of trouble to cover up his modification. He used a device to cover his arm and to hide its secrets. And he covered this device with bandages. Shisui on the other hand had no bandages or devices from what we've seen of him. And that is what I mean by there is nothing in the manga that indicates that Shisui implanted Madara's DNA.

Also, Shisui's Sharingan's abilities were Kotoamatsukami. Half of the narutoverse seems to know this. Also, the source of Tobi's S/T doujutsu is his right sharingan.

Edit: I couldn't find the thread creator's explanation on what you call the "YOU!" situation. Can I have a link please?

I just rechecked the chapters where Tobi and Konan fought. Tobi exhibited no blood in his fight with Konan. All I saw was just more of that white stuff. This just add more weight to the argument.

in that same arm that was suppose to be sealed, Ao saw shisui's chakra running through it, but an even better one is this, even after danzo took off the seal, neither sasuke or tobi noticed hashirama's cells until he revealed it by making that tree, tobi said, "I thought it was strange that he could use so many sharingans". and sasuke and tobi both had sharingan but still didn't know.

and we still don't know what shusui's other eye is capable of.

and I really don't see how we could tell if that was blood or not, but I forgot why we were even talking about zetsu cells. and just scroll up, and you will see the thread creator's point on this.

 

[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

okay listen to the theory lol when we see tobi fight the 4th he does not bleed white stuff, you clearly see it black in the manga, and when he fights anyone else it's white. if he is shuisi he added the zetsu/1st's cells at a later date after faking his death and leaving the village, your not disproving anything.

and my theory for the "YOU" situation is just up more or on the previous page

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

i really don't want to get rude or anything but your saying a byugan or a sharigan or any sensor type ninja could never notice anything danzo was trying to hide with bandages? or the device on his arm? i don't buy that. and i never ever stated that shuisi implanted any DNA at all into himself, im saying if he is tobi then he implanted everything AFTER he faked his death

1. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you. I wasn't speaking to you when it comes to the "implanted Madara DNA". In fact only my original post was directed at you and the rest was a conversation directed at Yama. Not you. That was a response to Yama's response to my post.

2. The original point was that The Kyuubi recognized Tobi(with his mask on) at Naruto's birth. Which probably means that the kyuubi recognized Tobi by sensing his chakra. Which is why Yama suggested that Shisui could have implanted some Madara DNA. And that is why I said that there is nothing to indicate that. And thats where the whole implanted Madara DNA comes from.

3. The reason I brought up Danzo was to show that Shisui would not be able to hide the fact that he implanted DNA from a byukugan or a sharigan or any sensor type ninja.

4. Tobi already had implanted Hashirama DNA as seen when Minato injured him and the white goo came out of his sleeve. According to your theory, Shisui implanted everything after he faked his death. But Tobi had Hashirama's DNA long before Shisui's death.

and shisui's left MS eye the one that itachi had was known to have kotoamatsukiami, noone knows what his other eye held, it's like itachi has tsukuyomi in one eye and amaterasu in the other, who knows what shuisi's other eye held in MS, its all up in the air

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The ability of Shisui's other eye was also confirmed to be a genjutsu. Ao says that it is one of the most powerful eye techniques. Kotoamatsukami is one of the most powerful genjutsu's. So both of Shisui's eye's definitely had genjutsu abilities. Which means that the did not have any S/T techniques.
Danzo had

 

[Blaze Release]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Good theory but from we know it cannot be shisu.
Danzo had one eye and infact tobi wanted to gain this eye but danzo crashed it before his death. The other was given to itachi

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

1. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you. I wasn't speaking to you when it comes to the "implanted Madara DNA". In fact only my original post was directed at you and the rest was a conversation directed at Yama. Not you. That was a response to Yama's response to my post.

2. The original point was that The Kyuubi recognized Tobi(with his mask on) at Naruto's birth. Which probably means that the kyuubi recognized Tobi by sensing his chakra. Which is why Yama suggested that Shisui could have implanted some Madara DNA. And that is why I said that there is nothing to indicate that. And thats where the whole implanted Madara DNA comes from.

3. The reason I brought up Danzo was to show that Shisui would not be able to hide the fact that he implanted DNA from a byukugan or a sharigan or any sensor type ninja.

4. Tobi already had implanted Hashirama DNA as seen when Minato injured him and the white goo came out of his sleeve. According to your theory, Shisui implanted everything after he faked his death. But Tobi had Hashirama's DNA long before Shisui's death.

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The ability of Shisui's other eye was also confirmed to be a genjutsu. Ao says that it is one of the most powerful eye techniques. Kotoamatsukami is one of the most powerful genjutsu's. So both of Shisui's eye's definitely had genjutsu abilities. Which means that the did not have any S/T techniques.
Danzo had

on your last point, not necessarily, when raikage fought sasuke, it was said that sasuke used amaterasu in one eye, and changed its shape with the other eye, but he' still able to do a weak tsukyomi in that same eye.

Good theory but from we know it cannot be shisu.
Danzo had one eye and infact tobi wanted to gain this eye but danzo crashed it before his death. The other was given to itachi

okay, so tobi wouldn't mind getting his old eye back.

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

in that same arm that was suppose to be sealed, Ao saw shisui's chakra running through it, but an even better one is this, even after danzo took off the seal, neither sasuke or tobi noticed hashirama's cells until he revealed it by making that tree, tobi said, "I thought it was strange that he could use so many sharingans". and sasuke and tobi both had sharingan but still didn't know.

and we still don't know what shusui's other eye is capable of.

and I really don't see how we could tell if that was blood or not, but I forgot why we were even talking about zetsu cells. and just scroll up, and you will see the thread creator's point on this.

Your right about Danzo at his fight with Sasuke. I wonder if the the sharingan can identify people by their chakra?

lol I also forgot the point of the blood vs white goo nonsense...there were little white droplets instead of blood. But thats to too vague use so I'll drop that.

Shisui's other eye's technique was also a genjutsu. Danzo used it at the conference on that samurai dude. And he was planning on using it again against Sasuke. Ao explained that the technique that was used was one of the most powerful doujutsu's.

on your last point, not necessarily, when raikage fought sasuke, it was said that sasuke used amaterasu in one eye, and changed its shape with the other eye, but he' still able to do a weak tsukyomi in that same eye.

All Sasuke's other eye does in that situation is apply shape manipulation on amaterasu. Sasuke also uses that same eye to put out amaterasu. Itachi was also able to put out amaterasu. Anyway what you say makes sense and I've also wondered about that. Is blaze an independent ability or is Sasuke merely manipulating the shape of the flames of amaterasu?

 

[TheCheesasaurus]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

IDK guys i dont think tobi is shisui. Shisui has NO EYES lol and madara had 2 sharingans.
the only options for tobi i think are izuna which isnt as likely as my other theory

which is TOBI is a zetsu copy of madara with hashirama cells in him. Thats why he was able to use izangi and more then likely why he couldnt phase through naruto cause naruto effects the mokuton when hes in kyubi mode.

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Your right about Danzo at his fight with Sasuke. I wonder if the the sharingan can identify people by their chakra?

lol I also forgot the point of the blood vs white goo nonsense...there were little white droplets instead of blood. But thats to too vague use so I'll drop that.

Shisui's other eye's technique was also a genjutsu. Danzo used it at the conference on that samurai dude. And he was planning on using it again against Sasuke. Ao explained that the technique that was used was one of the most powerful doujutsu's.



All Sasuke's other eye does in that situation is apply shape manipulation on amaterasu. Sasuke also uses that same eye to put out amaterasu. Itachi was also able to put out amaterasu. Anyway what you say makes sense and I've also wondered about that. Is blaze an independent ability or is Sasuke merely manipulating the shape of the flames of amaterasu?

but do you see the similarities? sasuke uses his other eye to change the shape, 2 eyes that have something to do with amaterasu, but still is able to use a TOTALLY different ability tsukyomi, in shusui's case, 2 eyes that are related to genjutsu, but may have a COMPLETELY different one as well.

and yeah, I did wonder that too, shee said that he surpassed itachi with the amaterasu, since the black flames have to be present for him to even use it, I assume they are related and not a totally different tech. I think it's something like all those chidori variations.

IDK guys i dont think tobi is shisui. Shisui has NO EYES lol and madara had 2 sharingans.
the only options for tobi i think are izuna which isnt as likely as my other theory

which is TOBI is a zetsu copy of madara with hashirama cells in him. Thats why he was able to use izangi and more then likely why he couldnt phase through naruto cause naruto effects the mokuton when hes in kyubi mode.

there are possible explanations for a lot of things, a theory shouldn't just get thrown out because one or two things don't add up, for example:

we know shisui had mangyeko, how did he get it? did he kill one of his closest friends? if so, was this friend an uchiha? and if he was an uchiha, did shisui take his eyes?

 

[Sarutobi Sasuke]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

but do you see the similarities? sasuke uses his other eye to change the shape, 2 eyes that have something to do with amaterasu, but still is able to use a TOTALLY different ability tsukyomi, in shusui's case, 2 eyes that are related to genjutsu, but may have a COMPLETELY different one as well.

One other thing is that if the S/T justu was, in fact, an inherent ability of Shisui's original eyes. How come does he still have the exact same inherent ability after he lost both his original eyes? If Tobi is Shisui, it would mean that he must have obtained different eyes. Yet Tobi has always displayed the same S/T doujutsu, before and after Shisui lost his eyes

and yeah, I did wonder that too, shee said that he surpassed itachi with the amaterasu, since the black flames have to be present for him to even use it, I assume they are related and not a totally different tech. I think it's something like all those chidori variations.

I had a theory on that a long time ago and I concluded that Blaze is the result of Sasuke's apparent mastery of shape manipulation.

there are possible explanations for a lot of things, a theory shouldn't just get thrown out because one or two things don't add up, for example:

we know shisui had mangyeko, how did he get it? did he kill one of his closest friends? if so, was this friend an uchiha? and if he was an uchiha, did shisui take his eyes?

These are interesting questions. I've always wondered whether Shisui belonged to root. Shisui carried a Tanto and every root member we've seen in the manga carried Tanto's. And aren't root members supposed to kill of their friends as a final test or something. Could that be how Shisui obtained his MS. It could also explain Shisui's similarities to Danzo when it comes to their ideals. Protecting from the shadows.

 

[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

IDK guys i dont think tobi is shisui. Shisui has NO EYES lol and madara had 2 sharingans.
the only options for tobi i think are izuna which isnt as likely as my other theory

which is TOBI is a zetsu copy of madara with hashirama cells in him. Thats why he was able to use izangi and more then likely why he couldnt phase through naruto cause naruto effects the mokuton when hes in kyubi mode.

i defff don't think it's a zetsu copy of madara lol and he said he should have phased through naruto, so just having the mokuton allows him to phase? so that means the 1st or madara now can phase? i doubt that

its either shisui or izuna how ever kagami still is up there to

 

[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

One other thing is that if the S/T justu was, in fact, an inherent ability of Shisui's original eyes. How come does he still have the exact same inherent ability after he lost both his original eyes? If Tobi is Shisui, it would mean that he must have obtained different eyes. Yet Tobi has always displayed the same S/T doujutsu, before and after Shisui lost his eyes


I had a theory on that a long time ago and I concluded that Blaze is the result of Sasuke's apparent mastery of shape manipulation.

These are interesting questions. I've always wondered whether Shisui belonged to root. Shisui carried a Tanto and every root member we've seen in the manga carried Tanto's. And aren't root members supposed to kill of their friends as a final test or something. Could that be how Shisui obtained his MS. It could also explain Shisui's similarities to Danzo when it comes to their ideals. Protecting from the shadows.

I still wonder if a person can obtain an unactivated MS, will they still be able to use or upgrade their 3 tomoe to their original mangyeko, but as I said before, it's still not proven that tobi's S/T jutsu is related to his eye, could it have something to do with his mask? he even said in the latest chapter that it's made out of something special, and if you ask me, I always thought that all that was way too much for a single mangyeko, to be able make things go through you, appear anywhere you want, warp people in a dimension and enter into that dimension yourself, and be able to warp people back out.

and everything he does is dimension/ST related, I think they are all part of one tech, and I doubt that one sharingan can do all of that.

and I'm not sure on that root thing, but it still poses a question and even further mystery of shisui and his mangyeko.

 

[H4wk]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

These are interesting questions. I've always wondered whether Shisui belonged to root. Shisui carried a Tanto and every root member we've seen in the manga carried Tanto's. And aren't root members supposed to kill of their friends as a final test or something. Could that be how Shisui obtained his MS. It could also explain Shisui's similarities to Danzo when it comes to their ideals. Protecting from the shadows.

thats a very interesting point, if he was in root he got his MS at a super young age and danzo basically had control over him, he would have hatred towards danzo for sooo much and danzo would since he has control over him be able to take his eye easily

 

[Seven7]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Shisui is very much underrated, I can't picture him being forced to give up his eyes. Whatever his story may be, it was done willingly for a greater purpose

 

[lidun]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

How could he be soo old looking? I thought shisui was rather young, atleast kakashi's age.

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[Disquiet]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

How could he be soo old looking? I thought shisui was rather young, atleast kakashi's age.

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[veggetta13]

Re: Tobi (Official Breakdown) Warning Official

How many times did you retyped jubi to try to make me believe in your theory?

IN cause, I feel the same disgust as for the Obito is Tobi theories

 

[〜Angel Reborn〜]

Re: Who is behind the Mask...

Anyone else?? Ur thoughts on the topic...??

 

[Floydical]

Re: kishi's hints to who tobi is

Wow that would be way too much, even for kishi. But keep in mind that if Madara referred to Tobi as 'him' and he is in fact shisui, then how did Madara know him? We knew he lived to meet Nagato, but we don't know when exactly he died. In reality, its safe to assume that the real Madara never met Shisui, IMO.

 

[Seven7]

Shisui!!!!????

Wait just a second!!!!

I was looking at the manga & noticed something while putting the dots together.. Remember when Itachi gave Naruto "Shisui's Eye" with the bird? And that bird being rigged to react to Itachi's Eye? Meaning Shisui's Eye reacting to Itachi's eye.

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I noticed that the same thing happened when Sasuke obtained Itachi's eye's and looked at "tobi's" sharigan. Very Odd

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I don't believe that Tobi is Shisui but I find this some how oddly matching up in some way.. Your thoughts?