Tobi, the puppet: Juubi, the puppeteer

[randomuno]

What does my theory explain?

1) Why is Tobi evil?
2) What's the real inspiration for the infinite tsukiyomi plan?
3) How does Tobi know so much about everything, if he was the same Obito that "died" in Kanabi bridge etc.

I am going to attempt to reverse-engineer the ending of Naruto. I am hoping that the anime will end with Naruto vanquishing the cause of unending war and hatred.

Requirement: How can Naruto do that [break the curse] in a sustainable fashion?
Plot solution: There exists a being that is responsible for all this manifest hatred. Once that being is slain, hatred and sorrow will reduce considerably.

Can you think of any other solution by which Naruto can reduce hate in Naruto-verse?

Assuming that there is indeed a force that is responsible for this excessive hate in Narutoverse, I will go as far as saying that this force is the will of Juubi. The real master of the "infinite tsukiyomi" plan is the Juubi.

Additional points to consider:

1) The Kyuubi has the ability to sense hatred/evil
2) It was thought at the start of the series that the Kyuubi is a natural disaster that occurs wherever the level of hate/sorrow hits a critical mass.

So, how does the Juubi operate?

I believe, it operates in a way similar to Shikon-no-tama of Inuyasha; Or the Judeo-Christiano-Islamic Satan. The greatest power of Juubi is to sense the desperation in humans, just like how the Kyuubi can sense evil in real world. [BM Naruto could sense Kisame hidden in Samehada and even Zetsu right?]

Once Juubi senses this desperation, it basically corrupts this individual to further its own goals. I will take a leap of hypothesising and claim that - all these wars, all this hate are basically attempts by the Juubi to revive itself!

What really happened at the Kanabi bridge?

Just like how Onigamo of Inuyasha was desperate, and got transformed to Naraku - so, was Obito pondering about his own life. He was sad, depressed, he couldn't feel his own body.

Oh, why couldn't I live happily with Rin and my other friends?
Why this war? Why this hate? Why do humans fight? Are humans capable of living peacefully? Oh, what would I not do for a peaceful happy world!

Obito badly wished for a peaceful life in a peaceful world. He was ripe for manipulation. This was when he fell for the Juubi trap. The Tobi that you see is a mere puppet of Juubi.

He is extremely powerful. But he is still merely an agent. Just like how Pain was fooled by Tobi [Pain thought that they will make a weapon out of Bijuus, he did not know of the infinite Tsukiyomi plan]; Tobi himself is fooled by Juubi. The Juubi doensn't wish to become a beast trapped within Tobi. It wishes to be unleashed. It wishes to end this world.

 

[Legendary Broly]

well you have some good points

 

[Mejkl3]

Didnt see any chakra threads attached to Tobi or any sharingan eyes on gedo statue U_U

 

[SilverSlick]

Seriously, I don't want Tobi to end up that way. Might seriously stop reading Nagato if Kishi is just going to recycle the same shit over and over again.

 

[NOemotions]

What does my theory explain?



I am going to attempt to reverse-engineer the ending of Naruto. I am hoping that the anime will end with Naruto vanquishing the cause of unending war and hatred.

Requirement: How can Naruto do that [break the curse] in a sustainable fashion?
Plot solution: There exists a being that is responsible for all this manifest hatred. Once that being is slain, hatred and sorrow will reduce considerably.

Can you think of any other solution by which Naruto can reduce hate in Naruto-verse?

Assuming that there is indeed a force that is responsible for this excessive hate in Narutoverse, I will go as far as saying that this force is the will of Juubi. The real master of the "infinite tsukiyomi" plan is the Juubi.

Additional points to consider:



So, how does the Juubi operate?

I believe, it operates in a way similar to Shikon-no-tama of Inuyasha; Or the Judeo-Christiano-Islamic Satan. The greatest power of Juubi is to sense the desperation in humans, just like how the Kyuubi can sense evil in real world. [BM Naruto could sense Kisame hidden in Samehada and even Zetsu right?]

Once Juubi senses this desperation, it basically corrupts this individual to further its own goals. I will take a leap of hypothesising and claim that - all these wars, all this hate are basically attempts by the Juubi to revive itself!


He is extremely powerful. But he is still merely an agent. Just like how Pain was fooled by Tobi [Pain thought that they will make a weapon out of Bijuus, he did not know of the infinite Tsukiyomi plan]; Tobi himself is fooled by Juubi. The Juubi doensn't wish to become a beast trapped within Tobi. It wishes to be unleashed. It wishes to end this world.

blah... and second, nagato and konan DID knew about moon eye plan.. that's why tobi was wondering why did they betray him in the first place.

 

[Gooner4life]

That is actually a good idea, I made a thread a while ago about hatred and the juubi, (

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) but I never though about it like that. +rep for an original theory.

 

[randomuno]

Didnt see any chakra threads attached to Tobi or any sharingan eyes on gedo statue U_U

True control is not accompanied with any sorts of threads/shackles; or through eyes or whispers.

True control is more often accompanied with the controlled experiencing a total sense of "freedom". It is when we believe that we are truly free, that we must look within to question that sense of freedom.

 

[randomuno]

blah... and second, nagato and konan DID knew about moon eye plan.. that's why tobi was wondering why did they betray him in the first place.

Nagato believed that the plan is to create a powerful weapon that humans would use against each other to experience pain and then refrain from war. Nagato did not know of the moonseye plan.

That is actually a good idea, I made a thread a while ago about hatred and the juubi, (

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) but I never though about it like that. +rep for an original theory.

Thanks for the rep mate.

 

[Negative Knight]

This was a very interesting read indeed +rep. However there are a few problems with your theory.

First of all, the Juubi aiming to get itself resurrected by praying on the individual's desperation is simply not enough. They must first have knowledge of the Juubi, the Sage and the Eye of the Moon Plan, all of which requires the Rinnegan. The person must also be of a certain intelligence and strength level to comprehend such things, to be patient enough for all these plans to come to fruition and to praticailly be able to make them happen.

The Juubi wanting to be revived is possible but it can only really happen if the person is an Uchiha who has gone through the entire ocular evolutionary cycle

3 Tomoe Sharingan ---> Mangekyou Sharingan -----> Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan -----> Rinnegan

This is left to a select few meaning only a disillusioned and powerful Uchiha would be able of learning the existence of the Juubi and even then its a very split factor if they decide to go thorough with the plan.

Personally while i'm open to parts of your theory, i most likely think that Madara awakened his Rinnegan, read the tablets and decided himself to go through with the Eye of the Moon Plan. Obito/Tobi's desperation is a non factor in all of this simply because his desperation is not enough to know about the Juubi and the Eye of the Moon Plan.

 

[randomuno]

Negative Knight,

Thanks for your +rep. I really that, coming from you!

Now in response to your response, I want to first state that my theory cannot and will not be fully right, under any circumstances! It is merely an outline.

My theory for instance does not explain why Tobi wants the Rinnegan.

But, I want to add a question :

I don't think that the manga state that the eye of the moon plan was Madara's? Madara never intended to put the whole world under an illusion. In fact, he used Kyuubi very brashly - he did not even seal it. I believe that the eye of the moon plan was Tobi's.

 

[Negative Knight]

Negative Knight,

Thanks for your +rep. I really that, coming from you!

Now in response to your response, I want to first state that my theory cannot and will not be fully right, under any circumstances! It is merely an outline.

My theory for instance does not explain why Tobi wants the Rinnegan.

But, I want to add a question :

I don't think that the manga state that the eye of the moon plan was Madara's? Madara never intended to put the whole world under an illusion. In fact, he used Kyuubi very brashly - he did not even seal it. I believe that the eye of the moon plan was Tobi's.

That's the thing. Kishi established that the only way of obtaining the Rinnegan is cycling through the evolutionary cycle meaning Madara is the only person known to date to have actually awakened it.

After this there are two possibilities

Option 1
-Madara died entrusting his Rinnegan to Tobi so he can be revived through Rinne Tensei using Nagato as a vector (explains why he knows his name)

-Madara also entrusted his plans for the Eye of the Moon Plan to Tobi (information he just obtained from the Naka Shrine) and wanted Tobi to act as a forerunner for his plans, he also gave him Zetsu (White Zetsu constructed from Hashirama's Cells and Black Zetsu from Madara's Cells) to ensure that Tobi revived him, didn't stray from the path and to ensure that Madara indeed can fulfill his Eye of the Moon Plan.

Option 2
-Madara died entrusting his Rinnegan to Tobi so he can be revived through Rinne Tensei using Nagato as a vector (explains why he knows his name)

-Tobi then gave Nagato the Rinnegan but also returned to the Uchiha Shrine to obtain the tablets (copy down the information) but was caught by Itachi shortly afterwards.

-Tobi learnt of the Eye of the Moon Plan and constructed it himself