[Theory] Tobi the incredible theory

[21sachin96]

Well u say tobi was mad at wat happened when he was sasuke's present age well then couldn't he have just gone back to the uchiha massacre thing and killed off madara? end of all problems for sasuke. Then sasuke would grow up to be a good boy ha

 

[narutodrama]

You forget Sasuke doesnt want to be good, i think that in the future (as many times before) he will forget the uchia the revenge his brother all what will matter to him is power and to inflict pain to others cuz that makes him more powerfull.

 

[shk1020]

To get back to this thread, i still think that this is the most plausible theory of all, and i will laugh in your faces when the indentity is revealed or shamefully laugh in the corner at my theory.

it is certainly plausible... but if tobi had the ability to time travel, why not just go back to the first hokage's fight with madara and turn it in madara's favor. or why not kill itachi before he does the masacre...instead of helping him kill all of uchiha.

 

[EchoPain]

Well, it is intertesting and original, I must say that, and, after giving it a few thoughts, it's not impossible, presuming it is possible to travel trough past...but, I personaly think it's unlikely. I think it's maybe Madara's brother, who is somehow alive. I can't think of anything else. We'll just have to wait and see. :shrug:

 

[Venkatesh]

Let me introduce one more fella into this controversy. Tobi is Nawaki

Oro brought Obito's dead body and showed it to tsunade. And orochimaru implanted obito's sharigan into nawaki.

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

Hi, i will start from this, i have no what so evidence to my theory and it's speculation, this is i bet the first time that somebody has a theory like this (original) and it may blow your mind off or just make you rofl for hours.

I think that Tobi is nobody else then Sasuke yes folks i believe that Tobi is in fact Sasuke, Tobi came from the future to complete his goal, since i believe that in his timeline he lost to Naruto and had no hope of destroying the leaf and avenging the uchia more to this i believe that tobi (sasuke) got consumed by hate that much that he doesnt even care for any kind of goals he just wants destruction to the whole world.

How could he come to the past? Well i believe that his sharingan that enables him to move trough space and dimensions enables him to move trough time without any problems since it is called Space-Time jutsu, the reason why he never shows his face is that he does not want to be recocnised as Sasuke i mean if anybody knew it would be the greatest man hunt ever since, everybody would see the danger from a man from the future.

Saying that he is a shell from his former self just means that he aged to much, probably almost died in the battle with naruto and needed zetsu cells to be kept alive and it probably took aloot of his streangth to use the time jutsu.

I believe that he made several time jumps and prepaired the ground for the ultimate revenge.

And if i am correct you will find the evidences for this theory pretty quickly when Sasuke begins to use space time jutsus thanks to his EMS.

your thoughs?

If your hypotheses is true, time travel rules from "12 Monkeys" would seem to apply - the rules being mainly this: no matter what one tries to do to effect the past the traveler finds out that the past, relative to their original starting point and every subsequent travel point there after, had happened the way that it did because they had time traveled in the first place. Strong physical and philosophical Determinism.

Why? Because Tobi failed at capturing the 9 tails from Minato, the day Naruto was born. Sasuke most certainly knows this if he's doing wild time traveling Jutsu. If your going to mess with relativity know your history!!! Hence he would have seen his own failure from the vantage point of both time trveler and in history as a ninja who had not yet messed with reletivity.

Since in your hypotheses Sauske, as Tobi, would have realized this relatively early on, after his failure, and thus given up I doubt that it's correct in it's assumption of time travel.

Sorry Drama - nice try though!

 

[narutodrama]

If your hypotheses is true, time travel rules from "12 Monkeys" would seem to apply - the rules being mainly this: no matter what one tries to do to effect the past the traveler finds out that the past, relative to their original starting point and every subsequent travel point there after, had happened the way that it did because they had time traveled in the first place. Strong physical and philosophical Determinism.

Why? Because Tobi failed at capturing the 9 tails from Minato, the day Naruto was born. Sasuke most certainly knows this if he's doing wild time traveling Jutsu. If your going to mess with relativity know your history!!! Hence he would have seen his own failure from the vantage point of both time trveler and in history as a ninja who had not yet messed with reletivity.

Since in your hypotheses Sauske, as Tobi, would have realized this relatively early on, after his failure, and thus given up I doubt that it's correct in it's assumption of time travel.

Sorry Drama - nice try though!

I Disagree, what if Sasukes (Tobi) plan was let's say to "fail" at the kyubi accident? The incident did cause a major thing and is that the uchia are expelled to live on the outscirts of konoha and that caused mistrust and rebellion. And honestly dont mix general relativity into this (have to point out that that theory is anyway on the verge to be declared as not entierly true since it was discovered that it is possible to travel faster then light), i will just point out a time travel incident in a other manga, dragon ball Z where cell travels back in time and changes the past/future dramaticly.

 

[aion12]

Great post,we should learn from you

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

I Disagree, what if Sasukes (Tobi) plan was let's say to "fail" at the kyubi accident?

That doesn't make sense - it goes against Sasuke's core beliefs - I hope I don't need to explain why.

The incident did cause a major thing and is that the uchia are expelled to live on the outscirts of konoha and that caused mistrust and rebellion.

If there was equality before the attack then there wouldn't be a need to ferment revalution.

And honestly dont mix general relativity into this (have to point out that that theory is anyway on the verge to be declared as not entierly true since it was discovered that it is possible to travel faster then light),

Awesome, fantastic. the speed of light doesn't really come in to play here - just because the rules of your perspective change doesn't mean you no longer have one.

i will just point out a time travel incident in a other manga, dragon ball Z where cell travels back in time and changes the past/future dramaticly.

This is actually your best point - and simultaneously your worst - because Kishimoto, as we all know loves DBZ. But that's another reason to think that he wouldn't have time travel in his Manga. To be original and show every one that time travel doesn't have to be in his manga for it to be as great as, or greater than, DBZ.

 

[veggetta13]

It`s all about taking a quantum leap, right?

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

It`s all about taking a quantum leap, right?

Seeing as your in to Neil Gaiman I suppose you might know who Grant Morrison is. If not look him up. Hs the author of the comic book "the Invisables" and has written for big names like x-men and Super man - in fact he wrote super man All Star.

Well any way, in a famous 2000 Disinfo. Con. lecture Morrison talks about a lot of things revolving around chaos magick, the fifth dimention and time. He says he knows how time works because it was explained to him by some aliens, who just happen picked him up in Katmandu ...

Here's the full lecture if your interested. He starts in about time and the fifth dimension at 4:10.

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Basically, if you can penetrate the fifth dimension with your own consciousness then sending your vantage point in to a past position and taking a look around is easy - the future I'm not so sure about. Which means that you can view your own past through a state of quantum leaping ... so yes ... kinda ...

How in the name of Odin would Sasuke get that done IKD. Maybe he'd smoke some hash, head up to Mt. Myōboku and use the Rinnegan to call all the aliens down! Maybe they'd teach him how! :shrug: