Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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  • I knew it was Obito/ I win you lose/ apologise now

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SatchiZurake

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

I think Rin's death made him vulnerable to Madara's manipulation (I'm assuming since they seem to be in cahoots that Madara got ahold of him at some point). From what i'm seeing at this point, Madara's the one pulling all the strings(even in death) and Obito was just a pawn.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

i was just about to make the exact same thread +rep
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

Rin is the catalyst. Deal.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

whoever said that she is the reason needs to never log on again
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

Also she's part of the reason why he's given up on the ninja world, so yeah she is. . .
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

and him being FRIENDZONED is the reason for the war. he is jealous of kakashi
 

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Re: 601-Madara & Obitio- probably a spoiler too,cuz i'm 99% sure this is how it went

Am feeling he probably killed rin to awaken his mangekyo sharingan
 
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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

We still have to wait for another chapter to find out more.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the real reason!!!

How long did Rin live? We've never seen Rin in any of the flashbacks at the village AFTER the war. This suggests that she died during the war, some time after Obito "died". Let's play out one scenario that works:

1) Obito "dies", but as he's covered by rocks his MS awakens from his feelings of loss, and he is able to phase out of the rocks to safety.
2) Kakashi, Rin and Minato move on to the next battle. Minato goes off to do his thing. Kakashi is still hot-headed and not thinking clearly and Rin dies.
3) Obito witnesses Rin's death and sees that Minato is to blame for it (not Kakashi)
4) Obito decides not to go back to see them, because he blames them for her death. Instead, he wanders around until he joins Akatsuki, is "reassembled" by magic Zetsu slime, and eventually becomes a second-in-command to Madara and pretends to become Madara after his death.

This is sort of reasonable, and it does explain a few things:

This is why "Tobi" fought Minato instead of just taking the fox and running away. If he blames Minato for Rin's death, that explains why he would want to kill Kushina (and baby Naruto), and why he wouldn't have focused on capturing the Fox and taking the Fox away to Akatsuki headquarters.

This is why he wants Naruto and Sasuke to fight to the death: Either way he wants Kakashi to lose a student, and he wants Naruto to die because Naruto is the son of Minato.

Point #3 above is why he didn't say that he blamed Kakashi this chapter. He really blames Minato. Kakashi just didn't stop it.

Why is Obito "Nobody?" Because he's a person who is supposed to be dead. An Uchiha without one of his sharingan eyes. A person who loved a girl who is dead. A "hero" whose last wish was to protect Rin and she wasn't protected. Basically, everything he was, everything he stood for, all the hope he had and all the people he trusted ended up not being enough to keep a single girl alive. This is why he rejects hope and why he rejects reality: If you give everything and that's still not enough, then giving anything is worthless.

I still don't like the Tobi=Obito reveal, but it does make some sense if you think about it and his motivations are a little bit contrived but they can be explained.

obito didnt come to kill naruto and kushina. He only came to retrieve the nine tails And destroy village. Thats what he told minato.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

Seems like a dumb reason to me.. I mean seriously, they we're 8-12 when Obito got crushed?
 
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Re: Kabuto saved Tobi's ass...

True. Without Kabuto, Madarra wouldn't have been resurrected.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

Of course Rin is the reason, she's not the only reason but she definitely is a reason. Obito loved Rin deeply of course he'd be upset that she's dead don't be so naive.
 

Rike Senju

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Re: Kabuto saved Tobi's ass...

I doubt it..tobi seemed pretty confident with his plan he may had something else in store but didn't use it because of kabuto's new found help.
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

Well Ron dying made him vurnable just look at assume
 

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Re: Rin is NOT the cause of the war

But Obito came to Konoha one year after his "death".

one year??? no f***ing way! must be over 5 years look at kakashi grow up obito must be adult by then remember obito is about 3 years older than kakashi
 

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Re: 601-Madara & Obitio- probably a spoiler too,cuz i'm 99% sure this is how it went

possible but i doubt the last part
 
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