Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[DESTRUCTO]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

All this reminds me of before, when Tobi said he was Madara. People were so dead set on him being Madara, because he said so. "Why would Kishi put that in there if it wasn't true?" To **** with our heads. All the facts pointed to him not being Madara ,but persons were so insistent that he was. All you could do was agree to disagree.

It is the same here. All the facts point to Tobi NOT being Obito, yet low and behold, it is KIND OF his face. Kishi is pretty good with his facts, and a master of messing with his fans. For all we know that was Kakashi's flashback. It could be a genjutsu, we don't know. However all the facts point to him not being Obito.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

kay i didnt read all of it

it helps when you put spaces inbetween ur lines and lines of words.

im not trying to give him powers he doesnt have. im just trying to figure out why you think there is two tobi's:sy:

and why you seem to think that obito couldnt have been the suspect of all those crimes.

ONCE AGAIN ILL PUT THIS IN CAPS FOR YOU. TOBI COULD HAVE USED SOME TYPE OF JUTSU SIMILAR TO OROCHIMARU'S BODY JUMPING JUTSU. and i feel stupid for saying this but i just thought of something

WHAT IF THERE WAS NEVER A TOBI? OBITO?
WHAT IF IZUNA SOMEHOW USED A JUTSU LIKE OROCHIMARU'S AND JUMPED COUNTLESS BODYS TO STAY ALIVE? THIS WOULD EXPLAIN HIS ABILITY TO DO CLASS A SURGERY, IT WOULD EXPLAN

WHY HE HAS ALOT OF SHARAGIN EYES. IT WOULD EXPLAIN HIS EXPLAINATION OF KNOWLEDGE ON MADARA AND IZUNA. just a guess...

since your saying that obito cant be the guy who

1.soloed the nine tails with his eyes, only madara has done this

2. soloed mizkage with his eyes

3. etc to lazy but you know wha he has done

I'll believe it to be Izuna as it canonically makes more sense than it being Obito.... I would agree with your theory on that, and using body switching Jutsu. But right now, I have to use nothing but fact in the databook and manga.


Nobody knows the motives of Tobi collecting Sharingan from the Uchiha massacre, but the Sharingan is much sought after soooo... More power for him and maybe to give him the ability to use Izanagi more than once? Maybe.


Even with Naruto's training with Jiraiya he didn't get that OP within 3 years, so how could Obito in one year? ... Naruto just learned a bigger Rasengan and better battle formulating strategies. Shxt, even with that so called Master training couldn't defeat a 13 year old Sasuke. (Remember Sasuke is hailed as a prodigy of the Uchiha and Obito of course a slacker and failure with no endearing qualities to be able to gain significant strength and you're saying this kid could just gain THIS type of power? Even a year's standards are impossible.. And with no motive or hatred while he was dying at that?)


Obito gaining that much OP strength, knowledge, ability, and growing into a full adult body at 14 is too much of an impossibility, as the two MAIN characters of the story didn't even gain OP strength and ability like that! Obito's survival in itself raises thousands of questions, let alone how he get all those new abilities and a Mangekyou Sharingan all in one year.

Yagura's reign as a tyrant, due to being controlled by "Tobi" couldn't have been Obito either, seeing as how his reign had JUST started and the Bloodmist era began early Second Ninja World War, in which the Sannin were only in their early 20's or so. And of course ended around 20 years later which would've ended when Obito was like 9.

 

[Jaded210]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

i think tobi is Izuna in Obitos body..
it would explain his vast knowledge and maybe thats what tobi means by saying he gave his eyes to Nagato.
Technically Madaras eyes were Izunas eyes to begin with.
Madara could not have given nagato his eyes himself before death because he was revived in Edo w/ his eyes, meaning he died w/ his eyes still intact.

Was also thinking, Maybe he meant he gave him his eyes, by not literally giving him the eyes,
but what if there are other unknown rules like only one living person can awaken rinnegan at a time.
Madara died and the rinnegan was passed to the next person. (kind of how if naruto died the ninetales would be reborn) Nagato happened to meet the standards and was a chosen one for them, Zetsu simply found him and they started manipulating him.

 

[NARUTOS Rinnegan]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Naruto Shippuden 159 ANIME WATCH THIS AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN KAKASHI DIED HE SEEN OBITO..SO OBITO CANT BE TOBI

Kishi is a troll though, so this doesn't matter:shrug:

 

[Balmong]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

the dumb anime messes everything up doesnt it :/

 

[junkohatake]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

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[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

well you can try to make ur own naruto time-line bcuz UR NOT MASASHI KISHIMOTO.

Who's making their own timeline, stop being blind and ignorant.. This is all coming from the Manga AND the Databook...

BOTH MADE BY MASASHI KISHIMOTO.




Blatant acceptance of ignorance blinds you of the truth.....
Physically he's Obito, but who is he consciously?

 

[Koha]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Dude go see a Naruto Time Line before u post anything...

Jiraiya was named Sanin during the second great war, which happened 2 decades before the 3rd war, which was a year before Naruto was born, Minato would have been 9 or 10 years old when Jiraiya returned to the village after spending 3 years with the Nagato Team, who he met during the last 6 months of the war.

Think about it simply. Minato died at 28. Nagato Died at 47.

Nagato had to be at least 41.. I wouldn't go as far to say he was 47 o.o

 

[ninjaglare13]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

it was just imagination ... He also imaginated minato, but minato is sealed in the dead demon so it was just imagination.

thank you.

 

[tobikillnaruto]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

:kaito::roku::rag:its some wierd body transfer justu and all the memory of obito is still inside the body thats why he knows kakashi so i think its the sage of the six paths sons that is inside the body and using zetsu for the part of his body that was crush

 

[ugh2]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

"Kishi has some explaining to do"

Tired of reading this already, y'all act like he hasn't made this WHOLE story up before even beginning on the Manga chapter 001.

That is irrelevant. Plenty of finished works have questionable 'plot-holes', some are fixed and some are not.

If time travel gets involved in order to fix them then I am going to morn a terrible prelude to what will likely be an otherwise great ending. I am sure it won't, and hopefully everything will make sense and thus allow everyone to clear their mind for the epic finale.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

So I think I have worked out the significance of Minato's face among the other Hokage but am hesitant to post it because it really could mess up the manga for some folks. I'm gonna throw a spoiler on this one so don't say I didn't warn you.

Spoiler

I've long maintained that Narutoverse is caught in a temporal loop. The head that doesn't fit the timeline is representative of a cycle in the loop. Much like Izanami certain elements may differ slightly like the accumulating feathers, what's being said, relative body positions, but the main points of the loop cycle continue unabated. This means the time of when Minato was named Hokage changed in one of the cycles and occurred earlier. This could also explain other inconsistencies. and I for one am relieved to know that Kishi is not just asleep at the wheel. That one was too obvious, no way it was overlooked. Kishimoto you beautiful beast, you better never play cards against me. (Who said your wish is granted? Smarta$$!).

 

[marksonm]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Tobi is a shape shifter so he can also turn into ppl... he is jst using Obito's face so that they will fall for it. Or its either obit's body was used as an experiment to fuse with Zetsu and pour part of Madara Senjutsu consciousness into him or Izuna, jst as d case of Oro and Anko

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Random thought resurfacing. Why doesn't Madara recognize Tsunade if he lived so long? He recognized Onooki right away despite his appearance. Onooki calls her Princess acknowledging her lineage (or deriding it knowing that old fart) so clearly she was famous outside the leaf village. Madara has no clue who she is despite it being the granddaughter of his rival. He had to ask if she's a descendant.

It's been revealed now that Tobi, in body at least, could not have been old enough to give Nagato his rinnegan. So people are turning to Madara as the one who gave Nagato his eyes. To me it is undoubtely Tobi who gave Nagato the Rinnegan, there is just too much evidenced to the contrary. As we know Madara faught with Hashi at the VofE, but did not die. This begs the question, when did he die? I have a pretty detailed theory about this that I posted on another account, but I won't go into it. Madara was brought back as an Edo and relatively young at that; now I know many people point to the fact that Kabuto brought back Madara at his "prime" and not the actual age he died, but I don't think thats true. The only upgrade to Madara, evidenced by the manga, was the Hashi face on Madara's chest and that is all that can be proven. So what happened to Madara in the time after VofE and before his death? How does he know Nagato?

 

[odieSO6P]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Do you even read the manga properly? Tobi/Obito was acting as Madara the whole time, everything he was saying was him trying to be Madara so it means Madara gave it Nagato. Also when he talks about gaining senju dna off Hashirama he was acting as Madara, you think just because Tobi said it he was the one who fought Hashirama and not Madara? Lol. We now know better that he isnt Madara and was just acting, if we still thought Tobi is Madara then you would be saying it was Madara who gave him the Rinnegan.

People are still in denial, the whole fcking chapter showed Obitos flashback, what more do you want. Its Obito until kishi telks us otherwise.

I agree to this guy, it's clear that tobi is Obito what is the flash back for if it's not him? And if you can see in the last page of chapter 599 in the lower left it says it's finally revealed his name is obito Uchiha, we only need now is the explanation why obito turn to evil.

 

[Eishi]

Well for the first thing remember that Tobi had 2 personalities !

- one that was goofy ( when he was with Deidara )

- one that was serious ! ( after he reveald himslef to Kisame )

Also Tobi keeps body parts in case that he is getting hit !

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His body has zetsu goo and its not a normal body !

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In the Databook we have something very important

(うちはイズナ, Uchiha Izuna)

Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age Deceased
Height 174.8 cm
Weight 55.9 kg

(うちはオビト, Uchiha Obito)

Birthdate February 10
Gender Male
Age 13 (Deceased)
Height 154.2cm
Weight 44.5kg

- Both Izuna and Obito are from the uchiha clan !
- Both Izuna and Obito lost their eyes !
- Both Izuna and Obito are born in the same day of the same month

Conclusion: Obito was the perfect host for Izuna Uchiha !
Izuna soul and consciousness in Obito body !

Same bloodtype: O

Mostly same height: 175cm (Tobito), 174.8cm (Izuna)

Same weight: 55.9kg

 

[Anticeon]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Look at my spoiler

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[Gingka Uzumaki]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Anime isn't canon, so your point's bull shit. Just deal with him being Obito until Kishi explains more.

..This

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

i agree

 

[tkultimatefan]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

kishi is the master of suspense he'll come up with huge explanations