I believe the only way Obito could of turned evil is because of Rin.
Her death has not been explained has I said before. Maybe this is why Kishi has not shown Rin's death. She probably died in a dramatic way due to the Hidden Leaf & as a result it made Obito go insanely evil.
Finally someone else on this site who thinks logically. Great post! I don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept the fact that he is obito.. I mean this is not a mystery manga it's an action/drama. If you guys want a mystery go watch scooby doo or something
Think about it. If everybody was theorizing that Tobi was not going to be Obito for many, many years then they're definitely going to be in denial about it. To Kishimoto, he was always leading to the fact that Tobi was Obito, but naturally we over think his creative process and come up with something else.
So one of those many Tobi=Obito theories could be true, where he was found by Zetsu and repaired. That is when Obito began to mold into Tobi by his thoughts influenced by his new perspective on the ninja world.
I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.
"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.
"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.
"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?
"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.
"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.
"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.
"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".
"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?
"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.
... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.
EDIT: Here's some more
Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.
I respect your points or beliefs there but for me those are just mere theories of yours. Well, you have said that it's a fact. IF so, show me the proofs each and every explanation of yours. LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN I NEED PROOFS AND NOT EVIDENCES. okay? show me the info, sources, as well as the images (if there 's any). I don't need your theories this time.
I was reading some old chapters trying to find some clues about Tobi/Obito until I saw Zetsu then I start wondering why is he half white? The real definition of black is the absence of white, so Where is the other half? The right half?
The answer is >>>> its combined with Obito’s left side the uncrushed part of his body.
Proof : read chapter 510
When Tobi used Izanagi against Konan he said it’s a forbidden technique that can only be used by someone possessing both the power of the Uchiha and the Senju.
Half Obito = Uchiha + half Zetsu (Hashirama’s cells) = Senju
Think about it ,,,, Kishi gave us many clues like how many times Tobi lost his arm
this has been my theory for months... i always thought tobi was some sort of zetsu clone... back then i thought he was a zetsu clone of madara but i guess im wrong... he must be a mix between obito and a zetsu... and and that zetsu half has hashirama cells... i hope this theory is true because its like the only one that solves alot of plot holes... but we still need to find out why obito is doing this sooooo i hope we find out soon enough
"Your argument is invalid cause you mix facts with assumptions you just retarded blah blah blah".
You come here claiming to be a hero or some shit but you're even worse than the others.
Dude you don't even know what you're talking about. What the hell is this?
"Kakashi iz 30 cuz of da databuuk"
Well I'm gonna tell you the same thing Kishimoto told the entire world with this chapter, **** your databook. He wrote it a long time ago and now decided it wouldn't fit the series so just ignored it, that's all. The databook never was canon. The manga is. And if in the manga it never was said that Kakashi is 30, then he isn't. The end.
"Obito could not have fought minato blah blah blah"
Yeah? Naruto at the very beginning couldn't make a clone of himself, and within the same year was using Jiraya's best summon and jutsu.
"bullshit.. "lil is known about Mizukage" bullshit arguement.. "
You're an ignorant you're aware of that right? You said exactly the same shit I said before, how Obito didn't need to be a master of genjutsu. You're a belligerent moron disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreement, just because I'm a Tobito theorist and you're some Izuna ass kisser or some shit.
"oh it was Madara who gave Nagato Rinnegan? is that fact or a speculation you made there? an assumption?
It's called common sense, something you probably don't know what it is. If you knew you'd have, like me, guessed that Tobi is Obito.
"but to address the topic, it destroys Obitos character for turning evil because he was the metaphorical Naruto of his generation".
Nagato was also selfless and shit and yet he Shinra Tensei'd the entire Konohagakure.
You both do realize that you're not explaining your side with proof what so ever and am simply making assumptions and that neither of you have posted or named a single page in a single chapter that adds up... especially Armathyx you saying that they never said Kakashi's age in the manga doesn't mean you can't find out by google-ing it right, Kishi released the ages and birthdays of many main characters to satisfy the questions of fans near the release of Naruto and has answered more even though most of the characters go without a specific age or birth date Kakashi does and it is said that he and Obito are the same age.
Kakashi Hatake born September 15th, his age in Naruto was 26 in the beginning and 27 by the end, his age in Naruto Shippuden was 29 in the beginning and is now 30. Here's the web address to my source which only uses confirmed information and anything that has been left up to discussion has notes at the top of the pages saying what has been left up to discussion and what is unconfirmed specifically.
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I'm not taking time to pick apart the rest of the two of yours discussion. Just go back and reread, question everything even if you think your right then if you go back and say reread chapters 499, 500, 501, and 507 and pay attention to what the Masked Man who attacked Konoha specifically says and doesn't say and who Kisame thought was controlling the Mizukage, then doesn't that mean rereading it would only confirm your belief instead of making you question it more, or at all. And don't disregard what characters say just because it doesn't fit with what you think, in a story if a character thought something was a certain way then there was a reason for that he/she thought that, they weren't just wrong or stupid, writers use conflicting evidence to foreshadow hidden plot lines not to make you think things that were one way to only turn out the other, that is what bad writers do and so far Kishimoto has not been a bad writer.
No we won't, and the phrase "so why should I bother." shows that you are angry, frustrated, and thinking narrow minded, all of which points away from logic and a concept of actual theoretical consideration, so why should we listen to you when you've already made up your mind and won't think in the other direction to double check the logic.
If you can't do that then you're not very good at picking apart and understanding literature.
this is my first post on narutobase. i came up with my theory last night after i read chapter 599. my theory is obito is half senju and half uchiha. meaning one of his biological parent is a senju. this also means he has the potential to be so6p.
the background story could be after madara lost to hashirama. he went into hiding. during this time he had hashirama dna and keeping track of the family trees of uchiha. so it would be of interest to him when obito was born. born with senju vitality and uchiha's eyes.
i have a few evidences to support this. obito is kind of restless, clumsy spirited individual like naruto. the same type of haircut like naruto. so many similarity. funny how chapter 599 never mention obito's parents during the chapter. this could be a hint.
the rest of my theory is more speculative. when obito was crushed beneath a rock, he might have activated rinne tensai. which in terms cost him his rinnegan. Madara and zetsu probably found him. by this time madara probably explained to him, that he is the closes link to so6p than anyone else. now obito has the motivation to complete what the so6p didn't finish. anyways here is my 2 cents. peace out
I don't believe Kishi will EVEN fix the gaps now himself XD.
WAIT GUYS. I HAVE AN IDEA.
OMFG LOOK WHAT I THOUGHT OF
TOBI IS OBITO FROM THE FUTURE.(Or Another universe where somebody [Zetsu most supposedly] saved him from of the rocks) THIS WOULD EXPLAIN EVERYTHING. THERE ARE NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAINST THAT!!!!!!
IM STAYING BY THIS THEORY UNTIL IT'S GET REVEALED. NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS AGAISNT THIS!!!.
The chick in your avatar is pretty hot for a japanese dude.
No we won't, and the phrase "so why should I bother." shows that you are angry, frustrated, and thinking narrow minded, all of which points away from logic and a concept of actual theoretical consideration, so why should we listen to you when you've already made up your mind and won't think in the other direction to double check the logic.
Think about it. If everybody was theorizing that Tobi was not going to be Obito for many, many years then they're definitely going to be in denial about it. To Kishimoto, he was always leading to the fact that Tobi was Obito, but naturally we over think his creative process and come up with something else.
So one of those many Tobi=Obito theories could be true, where he was found by Zetsu and repaired. That is when Obito began to mold into Tobi by his thoughts influenced by his new perspective on the ninja world.
btw: tobi being izuna was the biggest bullshit ever. being izuna implies he knew everything his brother knew. why did he have to go to the uchiha table to read the symbols? because he didnt knew everything and had to learn.
btw: war changes ppl. obito could have survived and saw some terrible things or was mindf*cked till he became a mad-uchiha.
has anyone noticed that all strong uchihas are somehow mindf*cked?
- madara takes his bros eyes, bro dies, his clan settles in peace, he hates his clan and everyone else and wants revange even after dead.
- itachi kills his whole clan and makes his brother to hate him and betray everyone else and this because he fears war
- shisui just gives danzo his sharingan and his other one to itachi his lover and kills himself, instead of doing something.
-...
2.jinchuuriki or not everyone can be controlled. tobi/obito controlled him as stated by kisame, the only person who seen his face.
3. he unlocked it the day he died? idk bout that:sy:
4. idk where this MADARA GAVE NAGATO RINNEGAN FROM. i have yet to see any evidence just a bunch of tobi trolls trying to take away from tobi's rad skills.
the only place where it shows proof that tobi might have given nagato his eyes was when he killed konan.
You're the one in denial, kid. The controlling of Yagura happened during the Bloodmist reign, during the second ninja world war..... Obito wasn't even conceived yet soooo... Where are you going with that? And with that statement, it blows through every statement you made... Only reasonable option is that there was another Tobi... But that'd make for one annoying ass plot finding a THIRD mastermind so close to the ultimate climax. Madara would still more than likely be dead, no matter what and he doesn't have Kamui.. Or else it'd be very apparent in his fight with the Kage..
PS.. Don't insult anyone while debating, it makes you look 50x more annoying, irritating, and shows a huge level of ignorance.
I'm not a fanboy of anybody, I have a favorite but I don't defend him to the death knowing when he's outmatched. That's a fanboy, so please, get your contexts right.
Tobi :hypertobi: has only Obito's body WTH ,but the soul :rag: is Izune uchiha's....... :scorps:
