Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people saying obito was 14 when he fought the Minito but wasn't obito older then kakashi. Kakashi joined the academy at age 5 while obito was 9 and since they were in the academy together obito would be 4 years older then kakashi. Kakashi became jonin at age 13 when he led obito and rin on their mission. So obito would be atleast 17 when he fought Minto depending on how long the great ninja war lasted unless I'm missing something.

They were always the same age, Obito being a few months older, it's just that Kakashi was that once in a generation Shinobi so he progressed through the academy quicker than Obito... And became a Chunin at 6, Kishi messed up in Ch. 599 showing him to have graduated with Obito and Rin in the Chunin exams because he became a Jonin at 13. Kishi completely contradicted HIS facts in the databook plus another plothole with Minato's stone monument being up before even being chosen as Hokage.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

check the flashbacks/kakashi gaiden, obito was always older/bigger and taller than kakashi.

By a few months, Kishi's databook says he was 13... When he died of course.

Edit: Remember in part one, both Sasuke & Sakura were taller than Naruto. Sasuke being clearly taller than Naruto. Remember in the Land of Waves arc? Tazuna insulted Naruto and called him a runt and then it showed both Sasuke & Sakura's height compared to Naruto. Yeah, he was REALLY short.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

no some of my arguements were that you were mixing assumptions with facts, which you still do in these comments, some were that you didnt properly address the arguement and others were that you just didnt know Obitos age..

thank you for calling me a hero..



no Kishi never said **** your databook. he wrote the databook to give data about the manga that he did not give in the actual manga. it was to answer questions like what are characters ages, birthdates, and favorite food or something.

in the databook that Kishi wrote he gave the age of both Kakashi and Obito. idk how chapter 599 all of sudden discredits anything that Kishi wrote in the databook like you claim...

based on your arguement Kishi wrote the databook a long time ago so that means its irrelevant? so he wrote the databooks around the time he wrote part 1 so i guess that means part 1 is also irrelevant too huh? so all taht stuff about Naruto fighting Gaara and stuff in part 1 is noncanon huh?

who the hell are you to say the databook isnt canon? you are nobody. the databook is canon and it was written by Kishi and you are in heavy denial.. that is the point of the databook to give information that the manga didnt..



again comparing apples and oranges. Naruto did not die and all of a sudden was able to compete with Minato and control Kyuubi within a years time.. Naruto trained with Jiraiya and learned Rasengan and to summon, he did not defeat any Kages or Kage level ninja with what he learned in part 1, hell he didnt even beat a kid Sasuke with what he learned. he went through a 3 year timeskip and learned what? a bigger Rasengan and he was still not ready to take on Kages or Kage level ninjas at the beginning of Shipudden.

Obito died at 13 and about a year later was able to cause the death of the 4th Hokage and control Kyuubi. you cant compare that to Naruto and that fact that Obito at age 14 did that is sooo unbelievable. so again you fail at addressing this arguement.



youre an idiot, but i doubt you are aware of that. i am not making the same arguement as you are. and your again assuming things, assuming im an "Izuna ass kisser"? whatever that is... also how can you be a Tobito theorist when its already confirmed that Tobi is Obito? your labels dont exist anymore, dumby...



so basically you admitted that you are again assuming, because no where in the manga does Madara says "I gave Nagato Rinnegan".. no where... no where does it shows that. what the manga does show is that Nagato activated it on his own... that is it.. it also shows that Tobi says that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.. that has yet to be confirmed by anything else in the manga though. so please leave your theories and assumptions and speculations to yourself.....



omg apples and oranges again... you are commiting the fallacy Red Herring. bringing up something completely irrelevant to the discussion...

anyways you never answered my questions... how old do you think Obito was when he "died" during the 3rd war? and how much time do you think passed between his "death" and the Kyuubi attack?

+Rep for all your arguments... Finally someone who logically puts it all together instead of adding BS statements. =\

 

[cryhwks]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

I would be happy if Obito was just Tobi & that's all there is to it. But I still think he is a Zetsu with Obito's Sharingan & the reason why he's looking Obito now is to mess with Kakashi's head.

Because remember back when Tobi cam to Kisame & took off his mask Kisame recognized him as Madara & Kisame knows what Madara's face looks like because Kisame meet Madara in person when Kisame got Samehada why before Obito's time.

So why would Kisame recognize Tobi as Madara? Because that's who's face he was seeing. & it cannot be the same face that we are seeing now & who can morph into other people? Zetsu

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Last week I woulda been deneyong it but I'm done tobi is obito just gotta enjoy the manga as long as kishi has fully explained these plot holes I'm good

 

[Rain1123]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Please everyone, think carefully. His jutsu does not allow him to travel through time. He was there when Kurama attacked the village and Minato stopped him and Kurama when Kakashi was still a boy. So how can he be Obito except he is someone using Obito's body. What I believe is that when he and Minato fought he was so badly injured that he needed a new body so he used Obito's. Probably its a bit far fetched but he is not the real Obito.

 

[girya]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Actually, there is evidence of Obito's being 14-ish around the Konoha attack. Let me explain.

Kakashi is 26 in part 1 of the manga. The attack on Konoha took place 12 years before part 1. Kakashi was 14, and looked like a young teenage male when he is shown in one of the flashback chapters describing the Kyubi attack. Tobi on the other hand, has the appearance of a grown ass man during this exact same time period. Additionally, Kakashi was 13 when he was promoted to Jounin, and 599 proved that Obito was still alive around that time period. So to me it seems unrealistic that 13 year old Obito who couldn't hold his own against a Chunnin ranked Might Guy managed to give Minato a run for his money around a year later, while also growing to the point of not being recognized even slightly by his former sensei. If Obito is for sure Tobi, there are some things that most definitely don't seem to add up.

And while I can't think of anytime in the manga in which it was stated that Obito and Kakashi were the exact same age, I think it's safe to assume that they were close enough in age that there body type wouldn't be significantly different, even in their teenage years.

Also, it seems almost inconceivable that Minato wouldn't have recognized his own pupil's fighting tactics when they confronted one another.

Also, 90% of the information Tobi has is seems nearly inaccessible to anyone who wasn't alive during So6P's time period, so I'm still not entirely convinced Obito is Tobi. Or at the very least there has to be a LOT of explaining within the next few chapters. I feel like just because there's Obito's face, there's a lot more going on here than meets the eye so far.

Well said. Its unlike kishi that Tobi = obito. The most deceiving and sinister villian(amazing character) I have ever seen suddenly turned into brainwashed deranged douche. I hope kishi does justice to Tobi character and save it from many plotholes that are very vivid right now in the story and time-line. I was kind of really pissed when oro came back and 599 completely was a shocker. Now i am really thinking am I wasting my time reading Naruto. One most amazing and intriguing story has suddenly turned into 3rd grade story.

 

[sukyyb]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Kakashi & Obito are the same age...... Obito's only a few months older.
It's just that Kakashi was THAT once in a generation type of ninja, like every generation had, so he progressed MUCH quicker than Obito... Obito didn't become a Genin until he was 9. And yeah, his motives are far too unclear to have gone through such drastic changes... We REALLY have to see, but I think it's just going to switch back to Sasuke & Orochimaru to add to our anger & suspense. :l

Edit: Btw, I made a mistake in a few posts, Obito's birthday is February 10th.. Strange how that's the same as Izuna's, hmm?

Obito is at least 3-4 years older than Kakashi though,
Kakashi graduated the academy at 5, while Obito did so at 9
and for them to be in the same team they had to have graduated at the same time.

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Obito is at least 3-4 years older than Kakashi though,
Kakashi graduated the academy at 5, while Obito did so at 9
and for them to be in the same team they had to have graduated at the same time.

That would mean Obito would be 17-18 when he died and i doubt that he was that old.

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

1. lmao first of kid. i assumed tobi/obito was controllin mizkage because he was the masked man. obito=mask man right?

we all ready know there are plot holes in this entire manga, and you cant use real life logic with naruto :sy:

2. obito wasnt even born? then there is another masked man out there? with sharagin so powerfull he can fr00b a perfect jinc?:sy: i bet ur one of those kids who think tobi isnt obito, or you think the zetsu and madara theroy is rite.

like i said there are holes all over, like how could a 14 yrld submit and summon the strongest tailed beast.

[ but i think there is something behind this, like obito may be a timejumper, since he has kumai, or he was like orochimaru, or he has some jutsu that defies age]

how a 14yrld could be smarter than everyone in the manga

etc. once again you cant use real life logic, tobi/obito controlled mizkage. he probably used some kind of jutsu or something to jump to body to body like orochimaru. its more likely to beileve this is the case rather than there being two masked men with beastly sharagin:sy:

p.s i wasnt insulting you kid, i said you were either in denial [ which its clear you are] or a fanboy.

you cant use logic like 'he wasnt even born yet'

knowing that people can jump bodys and be immortal.

and how obito has kumai...

but yeah to sum it up just in case u didnt read

Tobi=obito
masked man= obito

masked man controlled a perfect jin
masked man could summon nine tails

you cant logicly tell me that tobi is not obito

or that there are 2 obito level masked men:flaw:

There are still real world themes the story flows through... And Kishimoto made that PRETTY Clear that time was one of them..
Kamui is a different dimension jutsu not a time warp jutsu. -_____-
He wasn't born yet while controlling Yagura because that was during the early reign of the Bloodmist era which was during the Second Great Ninja World War when the Sannin were in their late teens, early 20's. That logic for sure is there or else everyone in Naruto wouldn't be bothered to be given an age... I could care less about the theories out there and as I've written all over the base, I like the fact that Tobi is Obito leading to great story and conflict, but Kishimoto literally canonically dismantled his ENTIRE series by building it up so much that canonically it CAN'T be Obito. I don't support theories, I support facts which are given.. Kamui was only proven to be a different dimension, NOT a portal into a past world. That's ridiculous at this moment right now until it's explained, don't give powers to the Kamui that it isn't even proven or shown to have.

 

[mfnfant1]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

WRONG! Masashi kishimoto didn't write that so its not true. It's called filler

 

[lngfra007]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Tobi could just have been lying about having given the rinnegan to Nagato... Same way he lied to Sasuke, and told him he didn't send the Kyubi after Konoha

 

[Koha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Obito is at least 3-4 years older than Kakashi though,
Kakashi graduated the academy at 5, while Obito did so at 9
and for them to be in the same team they had to have graduated at the same time.

That's not true... Random teams can be assembled by Lord 3rd Hokage at anytime, as he's done many times switching teams around along with Tsunade..
Go to Kishi's databook, Obito is 13 when he died... Only 7 months older than Kakashi.

 

[mfnfant1]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

like you said. maybe trained by madara (a.k.a) the second strongest man who ever lived. Now about growing to minatos height i guess he drank lots of milk. and the voice, you can blame puberty.

 

[xxsasukex]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

lost

 

[mfnfant1]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

haha someone with a brain. some people are just too stubborn to accept the fact that obito was the masked man

 

[Ldude]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

Anime isn't canon, so your point's bull shit. Just deal with him being Obito until Kishi explains more.

Agreed, sir. :ice:

 

[Bijuu Kage]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

imagination

 

[MetalPSYDuck]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

He was having VISIONS. He didn't ACTUALLY see Minato, Obito, or his father. Dad was super dead, Minato is sealed, and Obito, as far as we know, is ALIVE!

Why are you buying so much into it? You know how they say that your life flashes before your eyes when you're on the brink of death? That's what happened to Kakashi. His mind was making him see things so that he could relax, and not feel scared.

Really, this isn't difficult to understand. Who is EVERYONE so dead set on proving Kishi wrong somewhere? He didn't mess anything up.

 

[serpiente clan]

Re: "tobi" is not obito

If it is Obito then someone would have had to train him which could be none other than the real Madara, who else could have taught him the seals to use the 9 tails and the knowledge he seem to have about moon eye plan.

Like I said it could be Obito but they're is alot of holes and unanswered questions that even the people that believe it is Obito can't answer.

madara was dead before obito was born:sy: