Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I think the reason that people are so pissed off about Tobi being Obito is that they were expecting something much more exciting and unexpected. It's like their expectations were much higher than the reality. Though, that's really Kishi's fault for building up Tobi's identity so much that we fans expect it to be a really unexpected and purely epic climax. :shrug:
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Why is everyone so afraid of tobi actually being obito? I'm sure the explanation won't even be as complicated as everyone is making it out to be. When are the explanations of a character's actions ever complicated? The explanation of Izanami was probably more complicated than Obito's explanation will be. I have a few theories myself, but God forbid i post them and get flamed to death D: I'm just gonna wait until next week when we have the official explanation.
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

OP is just a pathetic child that can't respect others theories. You're allowed to give constructive criticism. You're not allowed to skim read everyone's theory, and not counter with a good argument. You say others don't understand this Manga when, if by now, if you don't take what Kishi says about Tobi with a pinch of salt, then you're obviously just a blind Obito fanboy.

There's flaws with your theory. But I'm not playing down that Tobi can't be Obito. He can be a conscious Obito. But people don't have problems accepting Tobi could = Obito, they have problems with the plotholes, and how Kishi would explain it if Tobi 100% =s a conscious Obito.

How does Madara know who Tobi is? How would he know of Tobi's plan? Madara was long dead before Obito was even born.

Why are Nagato's Rinnegans rightfully Tobi's, if, as you for some reason believe, Madara gave them to him as an infant.

Orochimaru was never sealed by the Sword, his consciousness switched between Cursed Seals.

Also, how does the Nine Tails know who Tobi is? Chapter 501, page 8. Why would the Kyuubi mistake Tobi/his chakra for. Also in the same Chapter, page 7, Tobi says he's been waiting for this moment for so long. A couple of years isn't long.

It's clear that Tobi took the Nine Tails to attack Konoha for the sole purpose of making the Konoha elders fear/oppress the Uchiha, leading to the "curse of hatred" being rekindled. Tobi planned the Uchiha massacre with Danzo, to rid the world of those who have the Dojutsu capable of breaking out of "Infinite Tsukiyomi".

Realise that this is probably the biggest character reveal in Manga history.

Nothing is as it seems. But I agree that Zetsu will play a huge part in how this is all revealed. It's obvious Zetsu/whatever Tobi is, repaired Obitos body.
 

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Good stuff and effort. But all "plotholes -_-" as most people call it, should be left to be explained by the actual ongoing story...since because...stories progress.
 

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kakashi and obito are of almost same age, and who do you think is older between nagato and kakashi?or konan and kakashi?
because how can obito gave rinnegan to nagato if the latter is older or even of same age when nagato is still young when he activated it, obito must've been little too or so.
there's alot of question because kishimoto end up choosing obito as tobi, he might be tired of thinking of another character because the obito-tobi identity is already assumed by many, or what?
 

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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Good one! respect

just one thing!

The Masked Man who fought against Minato was not Obito i'm pretty sure about that. Why? Well he was surprised by Minato's Space-Time Jutsu. Obito had seen it many times, since he was Minato's student. The Masked Man attacking the village at that time seemed to have planned it all out. If he knew enough about Minato's FTG, as much as Obito did, he would've thought this over too.

Another thing, not as strong, is that The Masked Man's voice is very deep. Like Tobi's voice. I believe everything you say about someone being 14 having skills as well. But he really didn't sound like a 14 year old.

This is unless... and now I jump to a part of my theory in a smooth and sneaky way...

Unless Tobi is like Zetsu. A black serious half, and a white soft half.
Tobi acted childish, a bit Obito-like in the beginning of his screentime. Later his voice and behavior changed major. As if the other half of Black Zetsu took over.

- White Zetsu looks kinda like Obito does.
- Black Zetsu, like Tobi, has only one Jutsu. (Tobi's other Jutsu comes from Eye-Powers)
- Zetsu litterly 'records' fights for Tobi. As if Tobi and Zetsu's mind somehow are connected.
- Tobi said he's only a 'shell' of his former self. Which also kind off sugests that the one speaking and controlling the body, isn't the original owner of the body (Obito's)

So I think the other half of Black Zetsu took over Obito's body. Obito's consciousness is still somewhere there too.
 
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Just so you know, the data books = Kishi's mouth. Go look at them for the facts like peoples age.
 
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Kishi said in an interview Madara knows Tobi and viceversa. How do you explain that? Madara was dead when Obito was born.

obito went back in time to talk to madara... Otbito/tobi was at every major uchiha event... His ms can travel through time so he went back in time to manipulate events so his plan can come through
 

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obito went back in time to talk to madara... Otbito/tobi was at every major uchiha event... His ms can travel through time so he went back in time to manipulate events so his plan can come through

Woah there, since when could Tobi time-travel.
 

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Nobody Is Understanding The term "Space-Time"
In The Hit TV Show: Heroes (Nothing to Do With Naruto)

Hiro nakamura Has The "Ability Of Space-Time" *shrugs*

Could This Mean Tobi Can Use His Ability To go Forward and Backwards in time?

He Is Surely Capable In My eyes

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"tobi" is not obito

Naruto Shippuden 159 ANIME WATCH THIS AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN KAKASHI DIED HE SEEN OBITO..SO OBITO CANT BE TOBI
 

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Re: "tobi" is not obito

interesting could that just be kakashi's version of heaven or just closure for him ?
 

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Re: "tobi" is not obito

this disclaims everything
 

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Re: "tobi" is not obito

Anime isn't canon, so your point's bull shit. Just deal with him being Obito until Kishi explains more.
 

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HAHAHAHAHA nice proof xd works for me
 

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well im still going for my theory saying nagato is the true possessor of his rinnegan, madara maybe his creator someway, father or experiment whatever.

just because i am sure of it.

Madara thought he was revived by Rinne Tensei. If u get revived by Rinne Tensei u are getting back to ur body as it was. So if Madara gave away his Eyes he would have know that his eyes are not missing, when he was revived. Only after Muu said its Edo tensei he was corious about it!

If anyone of u can explain me this Problem, then i will be grateful, but this is for sure a logical conclusion to say he never gave away his own eyes.
 

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Re: "tobi" is not obito

Naruto Shippuden 159 ANIME WATCH THIS AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN KAKASHI DIED HE SEEN OBITO..SO OBITO CANT BE TOBI

It was just imagination ... He also imaginated Minato, but Minato is sealed in the Dead Demon so it was just imagination.
 
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