Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

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How come he survived?-zetsu or madara saved him(explains why he has zetsu gunk on his right arm)

Was it the head injury which made him go Tobi?-madara made him think the way he does and trained him to become much stronger

How come he thought he had a claim over Nagato's eye?-he was acting part , also needed nagatos powers to bring back his master(madara)

When did he had that growth spurt and MS awakenned?-when he was trained

Is it only the body of Obito?-no it genuinely is obito

not my theory , forneverworlds theory

 

[KidGamer65]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You gonna prove that it was fake or not?

 

[p0002q]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Bottom line.

Kishi is not done explaining....

Please wait and watch.

 

[-S-]

Did any one notice Obito was like naruto when he was younge?

He had the same crazy look like Naruto had.

 

[KillerbYo]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

Actually i have an answer to this.

This happend around the Uchiha Massacre. Im not sure but I think it could have happend after the massacre.
We know that Danzo took Shisuis eye after he tried to use it agaisnt him.

So if Danzo was collaborating woth Obito, then Obito could have used Shisuis eye against the Mizukage. Obito also installed the bloody mist village system whihc was initiallly created by Danzo in root.
So thats a huge connection. And that could have been payment for gicing Danzo zetsu dna.

He atleastr collaborated with Oro and Oro was in Akatsuki at this point. Maybe the system was set up to gain new members.

 

[NaruAwesome]

Did any one notice Obito was like naruto when he was younger?

oh shit,:noc: kishi is going to do some switch shit plot no justu

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You gonna prove that it was fake or not?

Ok :

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Also I have a quote for you by Itachi:

"People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts ... their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

 

[KillerbYo]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I read your first "explanation" and all it says is that you are ignorant and refusing to accept the timeline of events.

Kakashi and Gai looks 20ish during the attack maybe Obito did that to prove himself or something. All he needed to control the Kyuubi was the Mangekyo. And most jutsus he used was well, Kamui and some ninja tools.

 

[MWQ]

He had the same crazy look like Naruto had.

I meant the personality bro! Both sucked at training and were losers.They both liked someone(sakura,rin) who liked the third member of their three man team!

 

[p0002q]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

"His name is Obito."

But what happened to get Obito to the point he's at now?

Please wait for explanation before jumping to conclusions.

 

[-S-]

I meant the personality bro! Both sucked at training and were losers.They both liked someone(sakura,rin) who liked the third member of their three man team!

Yeah, but they still had the crazy, determined look.

That's personality too you know bro.

 

[Lentz]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Relax guys, the manga hasn't revealed any details yet, we only know it's the body of Obito and his MS, whose consciousness actually inhabits the body, what motivated him to wage the war and where did he get all that vast knowledge about the ninja world that dates all the way back to the era of So6P... This just opens a whole lot of new questions and captivating mysteries for those who know how to enjoy the story. Those who don't can just **** off.

 

[MWQ]

I just think both of them lived similar lives when they were younger(naruto,obito),but how they turned out to be was different.Naruto prevailed,while obito went into the darkness(just a thought),and now obito wants the Naruto world to end,cuz he thinks its useless!

 

[supino]

so, what's the deal with Obito. when he was speaking to Rin do you think he said sth like 'i will be the first Uchiha to become a hokage, i want to surpass both Minato sensei and Madara Uchiha...' lol i wrote too much, but it's weird how he was pointing to the Uchiha crest and had his back to the Hokage mountain, certainly seemed like Kishi was trying to make a point. (would be great if Minato's face was also not there... at least they didn't use an even more recent background with Tsunade. that would be awkward)

 

[Iruka]

Thanks for the sticky Tsuchi.

If Tobi does end up being Obito there will be some major explaining to do. His ability to remove limbs would suggest Zetsu being involved but at this point in time I'm just glad the mask is gone.

 

[jaegerjaquez]

tobi started of as the 2nd hokage woho was angry for not getting enough air time, this explain the long hair and all the other age restrictions that mean tobi couldnt be obito. then 2nd hokage used edo to bring back obito and told him to carry on his mission to make an infinte tsukuyomi where he will have more air time. okay maybe the reason's not air time but it'll be crazy if this were true

 

[MWQ]

Yeah, but they still had the crazy, determined look.

That's personality too you know bro.

oh...okay,my bad!!

 

[supino]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

not bad. and thanks. but for the time being kishi has to indulge us with some info, whether you want to call this information 'filling up the plotholes' or 'backstory for Obito' it doesn't really matter as it is practically the same thing.

there is some vagueness hanging over certain important matters, for example when did Madara die? if he gave his eyes to Nagato (and it seems that he did as he knew of Nagato) then that means he was alive sometime before the second ninja war. but if Madara was also the person who found and trained/ mentored Obito then he was alive during and possibly after the third war. which also creates some issues with the akatsuki. was Madara the one who helped the akatsuki form, and then Obito ensured that they would become who they became? so, was the Tobi alias used by two people?

Minato and Itachi also identified Tobi as Madara and the truth of the matter is that (irrespectively of personal opinions) these two are far from dumb. imho Itachi met with the real Madara (long haired dude) but the short haired, who was also the one that invaded Konoha, was Obito acting on behalf of his 'sensei'. which also could explain why Minato thought of Madara (though it was a fail, he couldn't tell his pupil's chakra)... he thought that his style of fighting fits that of Madara. hope i am making sense so far.

 

[Chatte]

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[UnrealSoul]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

You clearly do not understand what you are saying.

If you agree (which is now a fact so why shouldn't you) that Tobi Is Obito, but think Tobi vs Minato was not, let me ask you this.

Do you believe someone used Obito's eye, and then simply returned it to him now?

Tobi very clearly used the same eye in his fight with Minato that he uses now.

Obito fought the fourth then too, just deal with it.

In a world where 2 16 year old ninjas are currently either the only hope versus the greatest threat in the series to date, and his rival, why is so hard to believe Obito could have fought and lost to Minato?

Mainly because that tobi did not know of FTG...clearly it had to be someone different.