Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[noted]

Re: Best explanation of why Tobi = Obito; share it!

This is the same conclusion I myself came to and everything fits in nicely. It even explains why there was a difference in long hair and short hair with Tobi in the timeline. Like what kind of character changes their hair so drastically just like that? Good work.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Re: Why you guys are wrong about Obito!

IF it really is Obito I have a feeling the explanation is gonna add more confusion and possibly mor plot holes.

exactly, and mark my words, the explanation will be a mess a cheesy ****ing mess

 

[SeriouslyNO]

Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

u made a good point there,

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before

Indeed, so based on what we know there is a chance, that someone is using obito's body!

 

[anonymous19]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

If its Obito, than , DAMN, HE GOT STRONG !!!!!!!! VERY FAST!!!!!!

 

[Rezakage]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

There's so many cry babies on this forum I swear

This^^^

 

[Mystery123]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

One more thing.. Minato is also sensory type. Don't you guys think that if Obito was alive back then, Minato wouldn't notice it?

 

[Gregsta]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Stop crying kids, was obvious he is Obito, they never found his body and his ability is almost the same as Kakashi's. Minato faced the same sharingan ability and Madara does not possess an ability like that.

 

[Garuda4]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

What I don't understand is how when Tobi fought Minato, he got beat by flying raijin. As Minato's student, Obito knows Minato can transport to his special kunai. If Obito is now able to control the Kuybi then he has obviously learned alot and very smart now. He should have known what Minato was going to do when he threw the kunai at him and taken measures to avoid it. Yet he fell for it and seemed surprised that he lost.

I accept that Kishi says it's Obito but i think it's someone else's mind.

 

[Hus]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

the masked man who fought Minato could be someone else

 

[bK 2 iNsAn3]

Re: Best explanation of why Tobi = Obito; share it!

Having exactly same voice, appearance and the MS ability as Obito does? And being affected with the white substance as well? No sence. That was Obito who's attacked Konoha, you're simply forgeting that he was already 15 years old by that time and that he's not actually defeated Minato, he ran away after being hardly injured. The only thing he's really done is using the Kyuubi.

I just watched that episode to compare height sizes and you are correct. They are about the same height. So it's no doubt it's def obito. I had my doubts but since all the evidence is clear I can accept Tobi to be Obito...but with help of course

 

[Chatte]

Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

u made a good point there,

Indeed, so based on what we know there is a chance, that someone is using obito's body!

Definitely. I even explained how and looks pretty logical at a certain point.
But we still have to wait and see. Patience is the key in the end.

 

[saratobi sasuke]

Re: tobi

the masked man who fought minato can`t be possibly obito becuase he was a child back then.

The masked man was quite old back then so...

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now i am waiting to see who was the 1 who fought minato.... But

present tobi and the 1 who fought minato had both space time so kishi messed this up big time...

Am i right?? And if not tell me what did i write wrong.

bet you a hundred gran mr. Spiderman his the same person who fought yondaime the same obito.. Tobi is obito move on dude. So many whiners this days.. For christ sake!! I'll account your name profile for it and you remember my name as well for the next chapter.

Some morons( now wait many morons) said the attack happened after a year obito died. The truth is the manga didn't specified about that info exactly. Kakashis practically a jounin back then and a tall young man and one of the shinobis protecting the village from the inside with guy from kurama's violent rampage. What do expect of obitos height? A midget size flamboyant teen? Nah... Sasuke's pretty tall in his age almost the same height to kakashi. Lets not talk about the height is invalid to argue anyway. You focus on the jutsu itself that tobi used the same main jutsu during the attack and the same tobi who is fighting current naruto, bee,and kakashi now. The same right?? Fools just don't admit that its the same person that face the 5th, they making up and scrambling the story and making it very much complex, which it isnt.

-----you should be asking the right questions this time who is his accomplices on his resurrection. Either madara or orochimaru that 2 bad asses. And am tired of hearing some retard comments about his not obito his being controlled by someone else. Thats pretty dumb actually, pretty dumb of them soooooo much. People just dont quit..nobody's controlling anybody here. All cards of villains in the series is on the table now it would be shitty if some character would pop out of the blue to be the main villain in story. That would be the biggest mistake of the. Some holes will be answer slowly next episode. Come on dudes dont so be stupid and make statements that izuna or somebody is controlling the obito body, your getting lamer and lamer and lamer and so on and so fort!


And kurama didnt said he knows the person behind the mask. His not madara at all its obito, he just recognized the symbol of the uchiha clan the "sharingan". Ever wonder why kurama dont give sugestion who he fought and who controlled him during the attack to naruto? Ask yourself( he would probably warn naruto about his id who he is)..cause generally he doesn't know a thing who's controlling..

 

[Singhsanjaybisht]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

definetly Orbito, i had a starnge feeling for that when i read special manga of childhood of kakashi n orbito....:shrug:

 

[SeriouslyNO]

Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

Indeed next chapter has alot to say, hopefully he wont skip tobi/obito for madara/orochimaru!

 

[Chatte]

Re: Why tobi is obito!

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna. Why is this still debatable.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[jme]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Tobi is obviously Kratos. He's mad at Kakashi and Gai for petty reasons just like Kraytos was. Lol jk

 

[pdon]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Remember this is the sharingan where talking about. Every user has different traights. It doesn't matter the age. With the right training you can be quiet dangerouse. (E.gm if sasuke never left kanoha he defo would not be anywhere near as good as he is now. Obito unlocked his quiet late for a sharingan user. For all we know his sharingal could of developed to be the baddest of them all.

 

[Chatte]

Re: Tobi really is Obito in mind and body!

Indeed next chapter has alot to say, hopefully he wont skip tobi/obito for madara/orochimaru!

I hope for that too, cause if not, I'm going to go to Japan and kick Kishi's ass, lol. Just an inside joke but we know he is capable of doing so...

 

[noted]

Re: Best explanation of why Tobi = Obito; share it!

What's interesting is that, according to this theory, 20 years ago Madara attacked Konoha disguised as Tobi. Then after he passed away, Obito took over this role as Tobi, and probably noted with change of hairstyles.

However, the nine-tails fox inside Naruto still sensed this same charkra with Tobi 20 years ago and now. This must mean that somehow Obito contains the same kind of charkra as Madara, which as I see it sounds like a bit of a stretch. Hmm...

 

[Chatte]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.