Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
This isn't an explanation... this is the same as every other theory out there. The fact is that making tobi obito was shitty writing. Simple as that. A writer uses red herrings and plot to make the reader believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that a mystery character is someone (obito) only to reveal that he is, in fact, not that character that he led you to believe it was. I still don't believe that tobi is obito, but that this is the final plot twist in what will be amazing writing in the end so i can laugh at all of those stupid, ****ing, "told you so" theories.
In short, you explained nothing, and even got manga facts wrong. Your first sentence was wrong. How can you not see that the nine tails attack was one and a half years after the battle of kanabi bridge? Are you blind? Do the math.
This isn't an explanation... this is the same as every other theory out there. The fact is that making tobi obito was shitty writing. Simple as that. A writer uses red herrings and plot to make the reader believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that a mystery character is someone (obito) only to reveal that he is, in fact, not that character that he led you to believe it was. I still don't believe that tobi is obito, but that this is the final plot twist in what will be amazing writing in the end so i can laugh at all of those stupid, ****ing, "told you so" theories.
In short, you explained nothing, and even got manga facts wrong. Your first sentence was wrong. How can you not see that the nine tails attack was one and a half years after the battle of kanabi bridge? Are you blind? Do the math.
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Clearly you didn't read what I wrote or didn't comprehend it because I did not say it was elaborate Genjutsu. You weren't kidding when you said you don't notice the details. You're also assuming that I am happy about the theory. I can assure you I am not overly thrilled about it. My excitement stems from the realization that Kishimoto has many items needing explanation but doesn't have enough time to explain all of them. Coming up with an idea that there is precedence in the manga for, and would explain several of the questions that have come up is where my excitment came from.Ahhh... the dangers of near-obsessive fandom. The revered author makes an error, the fans over-analyze the error, the author creates some mumbo-jumbo to explain the error, and the fans call the author genius.
I guess Orochimaru's return was also not random aye? Was the scene with Sasuke/Itachi/Kabuto a filler, yet it ended in Sasuke pulling out Orochimaru's supposedly sealed soul out of Kabuto's butt?
But granting the gunbai was actually a receiver from another time, from the person who has the other Rinnegan..., or the whole Narutoverse is but a gargantuan genjutsu, now what? Shall we hand Kishi a pulitzer for putting those brilliant subtle clues?
I read Naruto for what it is, a weekly comic book. Ninjas and hand seals are cool, but that's all there is to it. Weak plots and weak characters are to be expected. There are of course some occasional moments of artful and imaginative story lines, but in manga with a huge fan-base and weekly demand, I doubt the author could keep-up and publish what he had in mind originally.
Oh yeah, the truth is that the 'obvious error' in 599 is just a marketing ploy.
I have to lol about your Orochimaru comment. In all honesty, Orochimaru's return was not random and several people predicted it the moment Edo Itachi headed out to confront Kabuto. If you really want to get "deep" about it, it was also foreshadowed by Jiraiya when he said that he had failed at so many things, including Orochimaru, but hoped to have a student that might correct his failures. Now the manner in which Orochimaru returned left several people feeling a little unsatisfied (I had invisioned Sasuke unwittingly setting him free with Kusanagi, once Kabuto re-assumed control of Itachi, but I digress),the point is he's here as predicted. These are not just random decisions that Kishimoto makes each week. He has the story well outlined all the way to the end, but keeps the story flexible enough so that he can surprise fans that may have a good understanding of what is occurring.
I find it funny that you took the time to register an account on a forum dedicated to something you consider "a weekly comic book. Ninjas and hand seals are cool, but that's all there is to it." We can only imagine what valuable contributions, or insights you might have. Looking forward to your enlightenments.
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Re: What would you do if Next chapter reveals Tobi is not Obito ?
Idk , Kishi messed Tobi up so bad it hurts lol.
There is like 7/8 Plot Holes if not more.
I hope , that Kishi will explain these plot holes = If he does not , then hes authority as a Mangaka is not tolerateable.
If he choosed Tobi to be Obito , just to please Obito Kakashi fans = then it\s dishonourable to hes own Manga.
If Kishi finds an Original solution to explain these plot holes = then he will be most likely the best Mangaka to ever live = since then the twist will be unbelievable.
And Kishis Reputation will skyrocket for sure.
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Idk , Kishi messed Tobi up so bad it hurts lol.
There is like 7/8 Plot Holes if not more.
I hope , that Kishi will explain these plot holes = If he does not , then hes authority as a Mangaka is not tolerateable.
If he choosed Tobi to be Obito , just to please Obito Kakashi fans = then it\s dishonourable to hes own Manga.
If Kishi finds an Original solution to explain these plot holes = then he will be most likely the best Mangaka to ever live = since then the twist will be unbelievable.
And Kishis Reputation will skyrocket for sure.
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Re: Which tobi theory is the worst you have heared??
I heated one that tobi was oro because as soon as he so called died tobi went serious
I heated one that tobi was oro because as soon as he so called died tobi went serious
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
my...my.. Look at this arrogant little brat.. "All plotholes explained"..really?.. How about i stuff your shithole with a broom stick so that you stop shitting out shitty explainations..?..
my...my.. Look at this arrogant little brat.. "All plotholes explained"..really?.. How about i stuff your shithole with a broom stick so that you stop shitting out shitty explainations..?..
Re: What would you do if Next chapter reveals Tobi is not Obito ?
Unlikely.
Like how Itachi said that Sasuke should only come before him once he has the same eyes as him. Are you trying to imply gaining new eyes and getting the Sharingan is a different thing?
Unlikely.
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
is it just me or the pic on the left side looks like Setsuna
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Who I think Tobi is...
I know nobody asked me but now I want it to be on record who I think Tobi is and I don't care if I'm wrong.
Like almost everyone on NB says that it's not possible for Tobi to be Obito. I agree with you 25% I disagree with you 25% and I agree with the people who think it's Izuna 40%.
The other 10% goes to I will just stop guessing and wait for the new Manga to come out.
Izuna because the way Tobi speaks about Madara and his past. He talks a certain way about other things, but then again why would Tobi accuse Kakashi of doing something wrong. Is he trying to confuse Kakashi. Maybe Tobi read the Tablet of the Uchiha thing. IDK
I'll just wait now and become :crazy: while doing it
My point is I think it is no one until he himself says who he is
I know nobody asked me but now I want it to be on record who I think Tobi is and I don't care if I'm wrong.
Like almost everyone on NB says that it's not possible for Tobi to be Obito. I agree with you 25% I disagree with you 25% and I agree with the people who think it's Izuna 40%.
The other 10% goes to I will just stop guessing and wait for the new Manga to come out.
Izuna because the way Tobi speaks about Madara and his past. He talks a certain way about other things, but then again why would Tobi accuse Kakashi of doing something wrong. Is he trying to confuse Kakashi. Maybe Tobi read the Tablet of the Uchiha thing. IDK
I'll just wait now and become :crazy: while doing it
My point is I think it is no one until he himself says who he is
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Re: Obito : All plotholes explained
"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack
Well, Lets see Kakashi now is 25~30, and the Konoha attack was when Naruto was born, 16 years ago. So lets put a 11-14 years old makes sense
"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato.
Ok, this is easy, which clumsy boy can kill 3 ambus, make a hokage suffer (because it wasnt easy to beat for minato to beat tobi), almost kill kushina taking the kuybi from her,and attack a whole village controlling the kuybi? If you say thats not high-lever figthing, then nothing is.
"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what?
Only Uchiha Madara has been able to do that, but lets think about anyone else doing that... a one-eye uchiha 14years old boy controlling the kuybi? Well, i can accept that, but still not very likely to have happened so.
"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu.
To be honest, this could be possible. Any uchiha can put under gentjusu to anyone, moreover, if only the uchiha and the genjutsued dude knows it, no one can notice it, hence cancelling the jutsu.
"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
As you said before, you cant prove that madara gave the rinnegan to Nagato, so your statement is invalid.
"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.
Again, where is the evidence of madara stating zetsu as assistant? You cant just "assume" it and voilá!, discussion over. Just no.
"Obito would not have turned evil"
Well, you have a point about turning to evil, everyone can do it, what we (anti-obito) say, is that the only that can have made tobi is evil is just not being loved, and the dead of his loved Rin which is stupid reason to make the whole world suffer
"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine.
Well, this is the worst you have said so far. What can a clumsy, almost stupid litle boy do to resurrect himself? NOTHING. Orochimaru has been setting "Curse Marks" all over the country, with a part of himself (pretty much like Voldemort), but Obito had done nothing like that, and unless someone else did it for him, obito just couldnt have dont it himself.
"Obito was unskilled"
Both naruto and obito are (yes, still are) unskilled. What does naruto have? the kuybi, only reason to be overpowered.
... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.
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Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.
Didnt you just said that Zetsu is Madara assistant? So how can Tobi know him? If madara was long dead, how can he met zetsu, and get to know all his information?
"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack
Well, Lets see Kakashi now is 25~30, and the Konoha attack was when Naruto was born, 16 years ago. So lets put a 11-14 years old makes sense
"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato.
Ok, this is easy, which clumsy boy can kill 3 ambus, make a hokage suffer (because it wasnt easy to beat for minato to beat tobi), almost kill kushina taking the kuybi from her,and attack a whole village controlling the kuybi? If you say thats not high-lever figthing, then nothing is.
"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what?
Only Uchiha Madara has been able to do that, but lets think about anyone else doing that... a one-eye uchiha 14years old boy controlling the kuybi? Well, i can accept that, but still not very likely to have happened so.
"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu.
To be honest, this could be possible. Any uchiha can put under gentjusu to anyone, moreover, if only the uchiha and the genjutsued dude knows it, no one can notice it, hence cancelling the jutsu.
"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
As you said before, you cant prove that madara gave the rinnegan to Nagato, so your statement is invalid.
"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.
Again, where is the evidence of madara stating zetsu as assistant? You cant just "assume" it and voilá!, discussion over. Just no.
"Obito would not have turned evil"
Well, you have a point about turning to evil, everyone can do it, what we (anti-obito) say, is that the only that can have made tobi is evil is just not being loved, and the dead of his loved Rin which is stupid reason to make the whole world suffer
"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine.
Well, this is the worst you have said so far. What can a clumsy, almost stupid litle boy do to resurrect himself? NOTHING. Orochimaru has been setting "Curse Marks" all over the country, with a part of himself (pretty much like Voldemort), but Obito had done nothing like that, and unless someone else did it for him, obito just couldnt have dont it himself.
"Obito was unskilled"
Both naruto and obito are (yes, still are) unskilled. What does naruto have? the kuybi, only reason to be overpowered.
... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.
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Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.
Didnt you just said that Zetsu is Madara assistant? So how can Tobi know him? If madara was long dead, how can he met zetsu, and get to know all his information?
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