Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

[NarutoVsGoku]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

Let me sum up this entire wall of text for you :

"Your argument is invalid cause you mix facts with assumptions you just retarded blah blah blah".

You come here claiming to be a hero or some shit but you're even worse than the others.

Dude you don't even know what you're talking about. What the hell is this?

no some of my arguements were that you were mixing assumptions with facts, which you still do in these comments, some were that you didnt properly address the arguement and others were that you just didnt know Obitos age..

thank you for calling me a hero..

"Kakashi iz 30 cuz of da databuuk"
Well I'm gonna tell you the same thing Kishimoto told the entire world with this chapter, **** your databook. He wrote it a long time ago and now decided it wouldn't fit the series so just ignored it, that's all. The databook never was canon. The manga is. And if in the manga it never was said that Kakashi is 30, then he isn't. The end.

no Kishi never said **** your databook. he wrote the databook to give data about the manga that he did not give in the actual manga. it was to answer questions like what are characters ages, birthdates, and favorite food or something.

in the databook that Kishi wrote he gave the age of both Kakashi and Obito. idk how chapter 599 all of sudden discredits anything that Kishi wrote in the databook like you claim...

based on your arguement Kishi wrote the databook a long time ago so that means its irrelevant? so he wrote the databooks around the time he wrote part 1 so i guess that means part 1 is also irrelevant too huh? so all taht stuff about Naruto fighting Gaara and stuff in part 1 is noncanon huh?

who the hell are you to say the databook isnt canon? you are nobody. the databook is canon and it was written by Kishi and you are in heavy denial.. that is the point of the databook to give information that the manga didnt..

"Obito could not have fought minato blah blah blah"
Yeah? Naruto at the very beginning couldn't make a clone of himself, and within the same year was using Jiraya's best summon and jutsu.

again comparing apples and oranges. Naruto did not die and all of a sudden was able to compete with Minato and control Kyuubi within a years time.. Naruto trained with Jiraiya and learned Rasengan and to summon, he did not defeat any Kages or Kage level ninja with what he learned in part 1, hell he didnt even beat a kid Sasuke with what he learned. he went through a 3 year timeskip and learned what? a bigger Rasengan and he was still not ready to take on Kages or Kage level ninjas at the beginning of Shipudden.

Obito died at 13 and about a year later was able to cause the death of the 4th Hokage and control Kyuubi. you cant compare that to Naruto and that fact that Obito at age 14 did that is sooo unbelievable. so again you fail at addressing this arguement.

"bullshit.. "lil is known about Mizukage" bullshit arguement.. "
You're an ignorant you're aware of that right? You said exactly the same shit I said before, how Obito didn't need to be a master of genjutsu. You're a belligerent moron disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreement, just because I'm a Tobito theorist and you're some Izuna ass kisser or some shit.

youre an idiot, but i doubt you are aware of that. i am not making the same arguement as you are. and your again assuming things, assuming im an "Izuna ass kisser"? whatever that is... also how can you be a Tobito theorist when its already confirmed that Tobi is Obito? your labels dont exist anymore, dumby...

"oh it was Madara who gave Nagato Rinnegan? is that fact or a speculation you made there? an assumption?

It's called common sense, something you probably don't know what it is. If you knew you'd have, like me, guessed that Tobi is Obito.

so basically you admitted that you are again assuming, because no where in the manga does Madara says "I gave Nagato Rinnegan".. no where... no where does it shows that. what the manga does show is that Nagato activated it on his own... that is it.. it also shows that Tobi says that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan.. that has yet to be confirmed by anything else in the manga though. so please leave your theories and assumptions and speculations to yourself.....

"but to address the topic, it destroys Obitos character for turning evil because he was the metaphorical Naruto of his generation".
Nagato was also selfless and shit and yet he Shinra Tensei'd the entire Konohagakure.

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omg apples and oranges again... you are commiting the fallacy Red Herring. bringing up something completely irrelevant to the discussion...

anyways you never answered my questions... how old do you think Obito was when he "died" during the 3rd war? and how much time do you think passed between his "death" and the Kyuubi attack?

 

[Richardsad]

What I think is Madara Uchiha Didnt die at the final valley of the battle with 1st but seriously injured and when tobi died he used 2nd's jutsu recarnation and ask tobi to release the jutsu reverse as madara uchiha did when kabuto release the jutsu. Whoever recarnated with that jutsu can reproduce their organs. the reason i think this way is Uchiha madara know about the infinte tsukuyomi or the plan of war and he know the tobi too. or other reason can be
Before madara Uchiha died he put a jutsu like reanimation jutsu or sealing jutsu, in the direct blood line of madara who have hate live sauske to continue his hatered So whenever that Uchiha activate sharingon or if he die he just he regenerate and became madra's tool. because in final valley it says madara is dead but its unsure.
other thing i can say is maybe its a cycle process in uchiha blood line like curse that generate from one uchiha to other like heriditary as to be tobi. Because when 4th hokage fight with the Kyubi tobi was the one who fight with him and he was much taller than kakashi at that time. Or it can be tobi from future because his sharigon time dimension one so its probably happen from future when kakshi didnt come back to rescue rin and so on and to get the revenge he came to future as trunks did in dragon ball Z.
Well I am really waiting for manga 600 i hope they tell the story other than going back to sauske and uchiha or other battles............................

 

[lilanimegir14]

Finally~ But there is more to it..

 

[Gyakusetsu]

What I think is Madara Uchiha Didnt die at the final valley of the battle with 1st but seriously injured and when tobi died he used 2nd's jutsu recarnation and ask tobi to release the jutsu reverse as madara uchiha did when kabuto release the jutsu. Whoever recarnated with that jutsu can reproduce their organs. the reason i think this way is Uchiha madara know about the infinte tsukuyomi or the plan of war and he know the tobi too. or other reason can be
Before madara Uchiha died he put a jutsu like reanimation jutsu or sealing jutsu, in the direct blood line of madara who have hate live sauske to continue his hatered So whenever that Uchiha activate sharingon or if he die he just he regenerate and became madra's tool. because in final valley it says madara is dead but its unsure.
other thing i can say is maybe its a cycle process in uchiha blood line like curse that generate from one uchiha to other like heriditary as to be tobi. Because when 4th hokage fight with the Kyubi tobi was the one who fight with him and he was much taller than kakashi at that time. Or it can be tobi from future because his sharigon time dimension one so its probably happen from future when kakshi didnt come back to rescue rin and so on and to get the revenge he came to future as trunks did in dragon ball Z.
Well I am really waiting for manga 600 i hope they tell the story other than going back to sauske and uchiha or other battles............................

First off, welcome to NB. If that's the case, I think Madara would be pretty pissed off about the Uchiha Massacre. The hereditary curse I agree with as for the rest were gonna have to wait for Kishi to explain it.

 

[vanrey21]

Yes there are.
Why?
Because he died in the past, therefore he doesn't exist in the future.

^
This!

 

[platinum69]

...if Madara was alive then Kabuto's zombie jutsu wouldn't have worked...

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Re: Tobi is Obito? Maybe

He is Obito

 

[MickNerks]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people just don't want to burst out of the delusion that Tobi is someone else than Obito. Well this is to help you face your denial, Tobi is Obito and here's a few of your claimed "plotholes" debunked.


"Obito was 14 during the Konoha attack"
I'm yet to see any true evidence about him being 14 during the Konoha attack, and I really don't see where the hell people pulled this crap out of. Anti-Obito theorists just made this up to have the whole timeline plot hole, so I don't see it as a valid argument.

"Obito could not have fought Minato with his combat experience"
Obito did not defeat Minato, he got his ass kicked hard. He didn't even manage to land a blow on Minato. So don't talk as if they were on the same levels.

"Obito could not have summoned the Kyuubi at his age"
Again, there's no evidence about him being 14, but let's assume your nonsense is true and he was 14, so what? Naruto has been cheating his way out of fights with the Kyuubi ever since he was 13. And at 16 he's mastered it to a whole different level than Obito could ever have. When you're a Uchiha and know the right jutsu to do it, what's stopping you from doing so?

"Obito could not have manipulated the Mizukage"
We have very, very little information about this, and everyone's been jumping into the conclusion that the Mizukage was under a genjutsu. But last I checked the only person in the entire shinobi world capable of manipulating people to such an extent is Uchiha Shisui, and his eyes ended up in Itachi and Danzo's possession, not Obito's. What if Obito simply had him blackmailed? We don't know anything about this so this shouldn't even be an argument for any side.

"Obito could not have given Rinnegan to Nagato"
It wasn't Obito who gave him Rinnegan, it was Madara himself before he died.

"Obito could not have helped Yahiko start the Akatsuki"
People think Tobi started the Akatsuki with Yahiko because they believe he's Madara's secret assistant. Well sorry to burst your bubble but Madara's almost certainly been referring to Zetsu as his assistant all this time. We know Madara got his hands on Hashirama DNA, and it's easy to assume he just somehow got Zetsu made out of it. Zetsu got entrusted the mission of recruiting members and finding someone like Obito to take over later on.

"Obito would not have turned evil"
Because "turning" evil isn't a part of these series, I mean Sasuke, Nagato, Konan, and a few others didn't just decide to have their justice done against Konoha. Unless you watch this through Kishimoto's eyes where Naruto is the ultimate form of justice, there's no good and evil in these series, Konohagakure are also jerks who've been abusing of plot no jutsu since the dawn of time to dictate their rules over others, including a clan of their own, the Uchiha. There's plenty of reasons to "turn evil".

"Obito was dead"
Well clearly he's not so dead given he's walking around right now. Orochimaru got killed and then sealed for eternity in a sword that can never be recovered again (due to Itachi being dead), yet he just walked back into the series as if it were is daily routine. So why are you surprised that Obito somehow survived that boulder?

"Obito was unskilled"
So was Naruto and how he's completely overpowered.

... if you got any more ideas bring them in, getting bored now.

EDIT: Here's some more

Obito could not know about Hashirama and Madara
Why the hell not? Everyone who's curious enough does. Besides, he just got all he needed to know from Zetsu. Everything Madara knew, Zetsu knows. Everything Zetsu knows, Obito knows. It's that simple.

1.. Simple math shows us that obito was 14 when tobi invaded the village.
Kakashi is 30 (via databook) and naruto is 16. subtract narutuo's age from kakashi's and you will get obito's age. Stop living in denile.

2... Obito was 14. And naruto didnt have control over the kyuubi when he was 14, he lost control and went on a rampage. The only defense that you could possibly use to explain how obito could control the kyuubi is the fact that he had hashirama's cells infused in him which would inhance his power and turn his simple genjutsu to a OP kyuubi controlling jutsu. But you didnt state that.

3. Please show me in the mange that madara was talking about zetsu. We havent even heard zetsu mentions madara's name in the entire manga. That is just you reaching for any answer you can find. Please yous facts.

 

[Armathyx]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You will only learn with the release of the next chapter, so why should I bother...

 

[Rikodu senin madara]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

It wasn't fake. Stop defending Obito when you are so ignorant. When you can't explain something you rant about being fake or about where we get the arguments. About the timeline, the kyuubi attack was 16 years ago obviously(when Naruto was born). At the moment, Kakashi is 30 years old(on naruto wikia), meaning Kakashi was 14 years old(30-16) when kyuubi attacked. Meaning, Obito was 14 years old, making it 1 year after he died.

check the flashbacks/kakashi gaiden, obito was always older/bigger and taller than kakashi.

 

[sLm]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You forgot about Minato's face in the mountain while Obito was alive.

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

ha i was gonna make a thread similar to this. there is a clue that obito's body could be controlled by izuna, just because the simple fact about when tobi told the story about how madara took his brother's eyes.. how could obito explain all that? how does he have all of this knowledge? how did he get all of those eyes? something about that EMS

eternal is a strong word, ETERNAL

 

[Draw]

or obito and madara knew each other before obito died....

 

[uchihaha]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I think without a doubt, "Tobi" is more than one person. Heck, he could be three people. In that flashback with itachi, hes shown with the long hair, aka Madara. I wonder though, did Itachi know who tobi really was?? I mean, the guy he went for help for to kill the uchiha clan had long hair, was the one who actually helped him kill them all madara or obito?? Itachi would probably notice the difference in hair length, so itachi must have known him.
I think it has alot to do with tobi being "no one", as "tobi" might just be an ideal, rather than one single person.

 

[niknika]

Re: Tobi can't possible be Obito

Who said years past between their graduation and the events of Kakashi Gaiden? in the latest chapter you see Rin and the others planning on Kakashi's gift for becoming a chunnin and when Kakashi Gaiden start he gets said gift so the graduation and the attack on the bridge probably happened on the same week.

Gift was for becoming a jonin, which happened when he was 13. You said (or somebody else idk ) that Obito was older than kakashi by 4-6 years. That would make Obito 17-19 yrs old in kakashi gaiden, which is just absurd.

 

[MrSimple]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

3. Please show me in the mange that madara was talking about zetsu. We havent even heard zetsu mentions madara's name in the entire manga. That is just you reaching for any answer you can find. Please yous facts.

So what??...

Zetsu also said that Tobi is a good boy and acted like he's some new member but then Itachi died and the plan was ready to move on. Simply not just Pain Nagato (but of course we cannot prove that) but Tobi himself was on wait to see Itachi dead simply because no one in the organization don't wanted to start a fight with Itachi(another plot twist because before Itachi's dead we hadn't known that Nagato taken orders from Tobi otherwise he would be the one fighting Itachi in that case). So as you can see Tobi's identity is all around the characters- Madara, Zetsu(just because we don't from how long he exist and because he have ability to do real clones on other level jutsu) and this thing Tobi that's even mentioned for being Obito, but we have to know if' it's more than 1 Tobi and what Madara did before his dead, because we need explanation for the time when Nagato obtained the rinnegan which is before Obito's birth, etc, etc...

 

[Hexuze]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

You will only learn with the release of the next chapter, so why should I bother...

I love how you ignored me.
-rep, narutard.

Here is my question:

Explain why Minato's face was on the monument when Obito was alive... Stupid narutards can't accept the plotholes of naruto.

 

[Odemgee]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

I see people saying obito was 14 when he fought the Minito but wasn't obito older then kakashi. Kakashi joined the academy at age 5 while obito was 9 and since they were in the academy together obito would be 4 years older then kakashi. Kakashi became jonin at age 13 when he led obito and rin on their mission. So obito would be atleast 17 when he fought Minto depending on how long the great ninja war lasted unless I'm missing something.

 

[Gouryuuka]

Think about it. If everybody was theorizing that Tobi was not going to be Obito for many, many years then they're definitely going to be in denial about it. To Kishimoto, he was always leading to the fact that Tobi was Obito, but naturally we over think his creative process and come up with something else.

So one of those many Tobi=Obito theories could be true, where he was found by Zetsu and repaired. That is when Obito began to mold into Tobi by his thoughts influenced by his new perspective on the ninja world.

 

[jediknite2]

Re: Obito : All plotholes explained

The reason obito is not the one that fought madara was becos of his statement...before the fight he said he had spend a long time planning this so did minato also and they conformed tobi had been tracking and planning to still the kyuubi during child birth so u mean obito could have done that? And also during the battle between obito and minato when he couldn't kamui minato b4 he teleported he said he's really fast. Meaning if it was obito knowing minato b4 wouldn't be that suprised.